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Poll: Jewish Democrats Abandoning Obama for Romney, Economy, Israel
Israel News Agency / Google News ^ | October 4, 2012 | Karen Levy

Posted on 10/04/2012 7:14:45 PM PDT by IsraelBeach

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To: LRoggy
A real sleeper issue for Jewish voters is the status of their children’s job prospects after college. Jews are traditionally more concerned with education at the college and graduate level than most, if not all, other demographic groups. Who knows how many Jewish parents are sitting on co-signed college and graduate school loans and watching their children still looking for work in that discipline they paid for. And now they are also on the hook for payments. For once the checkbook issue triumphs their traditional belief systems.

Checkbook issues eventually come to the forefront. Not that many parents are willing to tolerate seeing their children unemployed and seeing a bleak financial future, for the sake of ideology. It's fine to talk about "caring" and "redistribution of wealth", right up to the point where it's THEIR wealth being redistributed.

41 posted on 10/05/2012 6:19:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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42 posted on 10/05/2012 7:52:46 AM PDT by SJackson (none of this suggests there are hostile feelings for the US in Egypt, Victoria Nuland, State Dept)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"Oh yeah, the KKK, Janet Reno, Rahm Emanuel et al...they're exactly like that."

I don't disagree with you, but my sister would point out: nazi-apologist Pat Buchanon, fuck-the-Jews James Baker, nazi-collaborator Charles Lindburg,* etc.

* Yes, Republican Lindburg was a Nazi. In fact, here is the nose cone of the Spirit of St. Louis:


43 posted on 10/05/2012 8:11:46 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: IsraelBeach; American in Israel; Netz; Ooh-Ah; Marie; Blennos; Impala64ssa; old and tired; ...
"American Jews have always perceived the Democratic Party as being more sensitive and understanding to human issues."

The more accurate word here is MISPERCEIVED, because the perception of the 'Rat party "as being more sensitive and understanding to human issues" is clearly historical revisionism. Taking private funds away coercively from the citizens and using it to redistribute wealth accordance to the fancies of government bureaucrats doesn't necessarily correlate with "being more sensitive and understanding to human issues." (Private American Jews themselves did much laudable work in this area long before government became dominant.) Neither is support for affirmative action and quotas. And what about the Democratic Party's connection to slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow?

No, the Jewish Left's embrace of the Democratic Party is more a matter of irrational behavior and historical mythology rather than what really happened in the United States.

Hopefully, the author of this story is at least partially correct, and many Jewish voters will break their nasty addiction to the Democrats and will switch over to Mitt Romney, the only one of the two major candidates in this race who is pro-Israel and philo-Semitic.

44 posted on 10/05/2012 3:19:32 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Jewbacca
Republican Lindburg was a Nazi. In fact, here is the nose cone of the Spirit of St. Louis.

Firstly, Lindbergh was not an American political figure as such, and never held elective office or politically-appointed office outside the military. He was probably a Republican, since his father was once a GOP Congressman and he married into the family of an ambassador appointed by a GOP president, but aside from a strange feud or two with Franklin D. Roosevelt, he was not a political character.

There is no historical evidence of Charles A. Lindbergh being a Nazi or a Nazi collaborator. Lindbergh did visit Nazi Germany before the onset of WWII and was allowed to visit some of its military aircraft facilities through "friendships" with Nazi military personnel. But he reported back his findings to the US government, and so his mission to Germany was actually as an American spy. Since Germany was ahead of the US in military aircraft technology at that point, Lindbergh could have provided very useful information.

I strongly doubt the authenticity of the photo you posted with a swastika purportedly painted on "The Spirit of St. Louis." "The Spirit of St. Louis" made its famous trans-Atlantic flight to Paris with Lindbergh piloting solo in 1927. I'd be sure it was retired in the United States before the Nazis came to power in Germany in 1933. It would never have been on German soil, certainly not during the Nazi era. So I can't see how, when, or where some Nazi(s) might have painted a swastika on it with Lindbergh's permission. To claim as you did that that is a true photo of the nose cone of "The Spirit of St. Louis" would require historical research to document the connections of those names on it to the history of the aircraft itself.

45 posted on 10/05/2012 4:01:52 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Jewbacca
nazi-apologist Pat Buchanon, feck-the-Jews James Baker, nazi-collaborator Charles Lindburg

That's all pretty weak and old-news compared to the actions of the current moslem-in-chief and the historic RAT racism dating back to before the Civil War.

I didn't know about Lindburg, but I did know that the RAT-god Joe Kennedy was a Nazi sympathizer and Rockefeller, and Henry Ford, I believe.

Although some of this stuff is true, and self inflicted, most of the nazi slurs on Republicans has been the deliberate result of the RATagandists, who themselves are actually CPUSA "progressives".

46 posted on 10/05/2012 4:24:52 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; jazminerose; left that other site; OddLane; ..
Obama will win the Jewish vote by a smaller margin, but he’ll still win it.

Yes. The guess here is a 60-40 split.

But this considerable shift to the GOP, as compared to 2008, has to be keeping the Debbie Wasserman Schultzes of the world up at night fearing that it could perhaps be decisive for Romney in Florida, Ohio, or Nevada.

47 posted on 10/05/2012 4:46:52 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: IsraelBeach

There are two types of Jews, the ones who care about Israel and the ones who don’t. Orthodox Jews vote Republican(If you’ve ever watched the Chabad telethon those are Orthodox Jews)..the Jews that have family in Israel or moved here from Israel(like my family did) also vote Republican. When my family came here in the late 60s they were automatically registered as Dems but my family overwhelmingly vote Republican(except a few of them but even they are seeing the light now). I recently saw a poll that shows that when it comes to Israel, its dead last as to what they care about(And these were the ones that voted Democrat)


48 posted on 10/05/2012 4:57:41 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: IsraelBeach
Republicans and Conservatives are no less humane, but their image is not as soft.

Only because the GOP is full of spineles, useless linguini who allow the Dems to define them.

The history of the Republican Party is one that is replete with far more real support for minorities versus the lip service paid by the Dems to minorities.

As I stated before, I will NEVER understand how American Jews support the aims and goals of the Dem Party who hold Israel in contempt. I don't get it and I hope I never will.

With respect to your service in the IDF, I applaud and honor your service. It's a funny thing how war tends ro change your perspectives about life, isn't it?

49 posted on 10/05/2012 5:17:45 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks justiceseeker93.


50 posted on 10/05/2012 6:36:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: justiceseeker93

By Election Day it may be 50/50.


51 posted on 10/05/2012 7:05:50 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: MarkL
My family is a lost cause.

Only if you think so. Pray for them, love them and try to have faith. God is amazing, and does things to change people's hearts.

52 posted on 10/05/2012 7:18:08 PM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: justiceseeker93

Florida is my big hope. It’s famously swingy, heavily Jewish in the South, and there’s also such x-factors as the PO’d Cubans who just managed to tip the scales for W in 2000, and the panhandle in a different time zone, and central Florida. So PO’d Jews might just tip the scales this year, even if only more Jews than usual vote GOP/less than usual vote DOP (low turnout). If my mother-in-law is any indication, the older they are, the harder it is for them to vote GOP, so low turnout of the disenchanted elders might do it, even if they can’t bring themselves to vote for Romney.


53 posted on 10/06/2012 2:25:38 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Romney being a “religious oddball” (Mormon) may actually help with this wannabe broad minded group.”

You have given voice to something I have thought for quite a while now. By Romney himself being a religious minority, this would give Jews a more comfortable candidate to back, knowing Mitt has dealt with the same kind of problems that being a religious minority brings. Hope what we think is true.


54 posted on 10/06/2012 2:37:12 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47; All
By Romney himself being a religious minority, this would give Jews a more comfortable candidate to back, knowing Mitt has dealt with the same kind of problems that being a religious minority brings. Hope what we think is true.

Speaking from a Jewish perspective, I would have to say that the large majority of Jewish voters have - unfortunately - little or no knowledge of the sordid history of the religious persecution of Mormons in the United States. That's not because of bigotry on the part of the Jews, but it's largely the result of the geographic distribution of the two groups in the country, so that it's fairly uncommon for Jews to have had experiences with Mormon friends or neighbors.

That having been said, I can relate that Mitt's father, George Romney, was well liked and respected by the Jewish community in Michigan during his long tenure as governor there, especially for a Republican, and his Mormonism was never a factor in that relationship.

55 posted on 10/06/2012 3:39:55 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
"I strongly doubt the authenticity of the photo you posted with a swastika purportedly painted on."

Take it up with the Smithsonian then. I became aware of the Nazi symbols when visiting the static display.

"There is no historical evidence of Charles A. Lindbergh being a Nazi or a Nazi collaborator."

Given you doubt photographs you can get on the Smithsonian website, I don't doubt you can't see the evidence, but here is some, anyay.

Lindburg was strongly active into "eugenics," posited the racial superiority of the "Nordic" race (in a Reader's Digest Article, no less).

He moved to Germany after Kristalnacht, and fathered three children with a local Nazi's daughter.

Had many Nazis are personal friends, including Albert Speer (Hitler's architecht) and kept photos of them in his house.

Wrote in his diaries that "We must limit to a reasonable amount the Jewish influence...Whenever the Jewish percentage of total population becomes too high, a reaction seems to invariably occur."

His FBI file (because he was suspected of being a spy) related many anti-Jewish activities.

Hitler personally awared Lindberg the Order of the German Eagle --- "a diplomatic and honorary award given to prominent foreigners, particularly diplomats, who were considered sympathetic to Nazism."


56 posted on 10/08/2012 8:48:23 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“That’s all pretty weak and old-news compared to the actions of the current moslem-in-chief and the historic RAT racism dating back to before the Civil War. “

I don’t disagree with you. I am recounting the arguments I hear.

The worst are people on our side who defend the Nazi sympathizers in (or who were in) our midst.


57 posted on 10/08/2012 8:49:45 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: justiceseeker93

“To claim as you did that that is a true photo of the nose cone of “The Spirit of St. Louis” would require historical research to document the connections of those names on it to the history of the aircraft itself.”

You are normally a very smart poster. Seriously, all you have to do is google this and you can get the link to the Smithsonian Air & Space showing the Swastika in the nose cone.

Here:

http://airandspace.si.edu/images/collections/media/full/A19890217000CP05.jpg

Or you can go to the Barron Hilton wing and go see the nose cone yourself like I did.

Seriously, if you are going to defend Lindburg on this point, you’d have to argue it was a “good luck” symbol and had no connection with the Nazis behind the curtain (or Lindburg’s other anti-semitic activities), which is the ususual argument.


58 posted on 10/08/2012 9:23:07 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca; All
If your posted photo is accurate, and there is indeed a swastika painted on "the Spirit of St. Louis" by some Nazi admirers of Lindbergh that remains on public display at the Smithsonian, I would find it amazing that we haven't heard of any controversy surrounding it.

I'd like to personally take a trip to the Smithsonian to view the aircraft and see if it is true. If so, I think that enough political pressure can be generated to force the Smithsonian to get rid of the swastika graffiti. And I think it would make a major news story, even in today's often perverse mainstream media environment.

Yes, I knew that Lindbergh spent some months in Nazi Germany and gained enough confidence of high Nazi officials to get tours of Nazi military aircraft facilities. And I knew that he received a medal of honor from the Nazis. But could that have been all done as parts of an espionage mission for the United States? After all, cultivating friendships with Nazis could have been essential to this cause. I base this theory on a fascinating book I read titled "Lindbergh and Roosevelt" by James P. Duffy, published by Regnery in 2010.

It should also be noted that after Pearl Harbor, Lindbergh tried to re-enlist in the American military as an officer but was denied a commission by the personal intervention of Roosevelt. (The two had had squabbles before.) Eventually, Lindbergh contributed to the American war effort in a civilian aviation capacity, having input into the design and manufacture of American military aircraft.

59 posted on 10/08/2012 10:22:24 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

“If your posted photo is accurate, and there is indeed a swastika painted on “the Spirit of St. Louis”

Did you not track back the link on the picture to the Smithsonian Air & Space display? Or look in the background of the first link and see the rest of the display?

“But could that have been all done as parts of an espionage mission for the United States?”

No. Look a the basic facts: Lindburg:

(1) repeatedly wrote articles and made speechesfor years addressing eugenics, the superiority of the “Nordic Race” and the evil influence of Joooos;

(2) wrote in his DIARY about evil Jewish inflence;

(3) has FBI interviews about how he hated Jews and liked Nazis (go to thesmokinggun.com) and was considered a Nazi-sympathyzer by the FBI;

(4) publically attacked the “Jewish movie” people for attempting to stir-up hatred against the Nazis

(5) had Nazi friends

(6) attempted to influence US policy to help Nazis

Pretending he’s a super-spy for the moment, he wouldn’t have written in his DIARY that no-one read that he hated Jews, unless he’s in such deep cover he was hiding from himself.

I mean, the man wrote for the “Dearborn Independent” -— Henry Ford’s Anti-semitic newspaper that printed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, he’s a duck.

“It should also be noted that after Pearl Harbor, Lindbergh tried to re-enlist in the American military as an officer but was denied a commission by the personal intervention of Roosevelt.”

Regarding WWII, Lindburg served in combat with US Air Corp — fighting the Japanese.


60 posted on 10/08/2012 11:38:41 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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