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Pastor to Taunt IRS Over Free Speech
Townhall.com ^ | October 5, 2012 | Gina Loudon

Posted on 10/05/2012 4:17:54 AM PDT by Kaslin

How did we get to where we are in our culture and our politics today?  I have wondered this since Obama took office and started exacting his socialist agenda on our great country.  There is plenty of blame to go around—complacency, greed, laziness, apathy.  I submit that churches may not have caused the problems we have today, but certainly could have curtailed the advancement of tyranny.  In my work (my book and The Dr. Gina Show), I have laid out the way that some cowardly pastors have tolerated their flocks’ apathy, greed, complacency and laziness, and that only the pastors have the ability to cause a revolution of the greater congregation to make real change.

Some pastors have been brave enough to rise up and do exactly that.  This weekend is “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” in churches across the country.  Pastors in pulpits across the country will not only endorse candidates from the pulpit, but will also send the tapes of the services directly to the IRS.  Now that’s bold!

Pastor Jim Garlow (disclaimer, my pastor) of Skyline Church of San Diego is leading the charge. While other pastors concern themselves with losing membership for saying something that might offend a potential tithing member, or risk their tax exempt status, some are getting in the face of those who would subvert our Constitutional rights and daring them to sue.

This matters for many reasons, but two of them are crystal clear.  The first is that Christians vote in dismal numbers.   According to Penny Nance of Concerned Women for America, Christian women vote in even lower numbers (around 30%).  Is it any wonder that we are losing ground on issues of life, liberty, and faith?  

The second, less obvious but still critical reason why pastors must confront this lie is because it discourages Christian candidates from running for office.  I hear pastors complain that not enough Christians run, and even complain about it from the pulpit, but do very little to help once a member of their parish, or congregation has stuck their neck out there to run.  When I have tried to recruit good leaders of strong moral character to run, they often say, “I can’t do that to my family.”

If those church-going candidates could run and know that they had not only a church, but an entire movement of churches supporting them, that would encourage more people who were accountable to churches, or synagogues to run.  Think of the difference in the caliber of candidates representing us if they could count on the real support of the churches via the imploring of the pastors to act in campaigns that matter to the values of the churches!

This movement does not come without its typical Lame Stream Media mocking.  But as Pastor Garlow understands, the truth of the Constitution, and American History is on our side.  That makes the statists’ ridicule seem, well, ridiculous.


 

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They start off friendly, but look what happens when they are hit with the legitimacy of the Constitutional arguments:

This Sunday, if you live near San Diego, CA, join me as I join with Pastor Garlow and others in this very important take back of our freedoms. 

If you cannot be in San Diego (it IS beautiful here this time of year, actually, it’s beautiful here all year), check to see if your pastor is participating, and if he is not, challenge him to do so. 

Join us again as we rally for our freedoms on October 20 all over America, and stand against tyranny of our most intimate freedom, that of our churches.  

Tyranny never warns a country that it is coming.  Those falling into the grip of tyranny never know until it is too late.  Hitler’s Germany loved the free stuff he was giving away, on their way to the gas chamber.  The churches were silent; afraid.  As a result, millions died and Europe has lost its faith, and surrendered its freedom.  With that comes poverty, every time.  Our founders knew that, and that is why they included this special freedom from the state, for our churches. 

Patriots, will you stand with me, and challenge your pastors to join with us this Sunday?  Are you willing to part ways with your pastor if he is one of the gutless?  Are you willing to answer to your children when they ask you why you didn’t rise up and defend their freedom when it is gone?  There are still a couple of surviving victims of the Nazi Holocaust alive who might be able to prep you for that conversation, if you are too afraid to act now.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christians; intimidation; irs; pastor

1 posted on 10/05/2012 4:17:55 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

What happened Wednesday night was the start of a taking back of America.


2 posted on 10/05/2012 4:20:40 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Kaslin

It is a sad day in America when the IRS can decide what can and cannot be spoken from the pulpit ...


3 posted on 10/05/2012 4:34:18 AM PDT by TheRobb7 (Driving off a cliff isn't progress.....)
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To: TheRobb7

It is all about the money..

These churches just LOVE the tax exempt status they get from the IRS for not speaking up...

If these churches just exempted themselves, they could say whatever they wanted..

Follow the dollar sign...


4 posted on 10/05/2012 4:44:27 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: TheRobb7

Yet NO PROBLEM if it is from a “black church”.


5 posted on 10/05/2012 4:44:51 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: TheRobb7

Yet another of the MANY reasons to abolish the IRS.


6 posted on 10/05/2012 4:45:57 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Kaslin

Bring back the fire & brimstone & nuns in traditional habits. Scare them straight!


7 posted on 10/05/2012 4:51:10 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Kaslin

Mainline churches are as corrupt as any other aspect of the Establishment.


8 posted on 10/05/2012 4:54:28 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Re-distribute my work ethic, not my wealth.)
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To: Kaslin

There are thousands of inner city churches which endorse democrat candidates. Then there are the fake churches. Obama attended one of those for years. They are not churches. They are political organizations cleverly disguised as churches, so they can retain their tax-exempt status.

None of those churches have ever received a visit from the federal SS forces.


9 posted on 10/05/2012 4:55:24 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Truth is incompatible with the democrat party.)
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To: I want the USA back

You are right on!! They, “minority” churches, have been allowed to campaign, for the left, from the pulpit for many years — since I can remember; I am now 75.


10 posted on 10/05/2012 5:12:33 AM PDT by RAY (God Bless the USA!)
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To: joe fonebone
If these churches just exempted themselves, they could say whatever they wanted

Precisely.
11 posted on 10/05/2012 5:33:57 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: generally

Here’s the thing...it’s my understanding that Churches are automatically exempt from paying taxes. They’re not required to file a 501c3 (non-profit) form and it’s a complete lie that they can only remain a non-profit by staying away from politics.

The law specifically exempts the Church. Prior to 1954 they *never* filed, it’s a complete misunderstanding that they must now. The “separation of church and state” goes both ways...the IRS has no jurisdiction over the Church. The power to tax is the power to destroy, how is that in-line with free speech and the 1st amendment?


12 posted on 10/05/2012 5:45:12 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: fuzzylogic
You are correct. A church has automatic tax exempt status. It cannot be revoked because it is never applied for. Many churches do apply as 501c3 orgs but they are not required to. More info here

I was a member at the Church at Pierce Creek, (now Landmark Church,) when their tax exempt status had been "revoked." It only applied to the 501c3 designation. The church was still tax exempt by law. They were just suing because they wanted the 501 back.
13 posted on 10/05/2012 6:08:44 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Keep your focus on the TRUTH and we will prevail . . . One Day at a Time, Mates!)
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To: haywoodwebb

Bookmark


14 posted on 10/05/2012 6:12:56 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: Tzfat

If you take the king’s money, you do the king’s bidding...


15 posted on 10/05/2012 6:27:32 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: joe fonebone

Every pastor in the USA should support the FairTax because the FairTax restores EVERY pastor’s First Amendment rights.

No such entity as a “non-profit” under the FairTax — No businesses will pay federal income tax because the FIT is ABOLISHED!

Check it out: http://www.fairtax.org.


16 posted on 10/05/2012 11:07:00 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: generally

See my post #16.


17 posted on 10/05/2012 11:09:19 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Taxman

I see what you are saying, but in this case your logic is flawed...

The only speech that has been taken away is because they enjoy their tax exempt status..

Money means more than to them than the free speech does..

Like I said, if you take the kings money, you do the kings bidding...


18 posted on 10/05/2012 12:34:29 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: haywoodwebb

Ok, thanks. So what is the benefit of having 501 status?


19 posted on 10/08/2012 6:27:29 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: fuzzylogic
It's been almost 17 years since I was there but I think they were using it as a publishing arm of the church. Definitely a separate function from the church proper.
20 posted on 10/08/2012 10:30:39 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Keep your focus on the TRUTH and we will prevail . . . One Day at a Time, Mates!)
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To: DrewsMum

Bookmark


21 posted on 10/08/2012 11:29:00 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: joe fonebone; Tzfat

The power to tax is the power to destroy. There is a reason that churches are not taxed.

This shouldn’t deprive them of their right to speak out on public issues, or which side of the issues individual politicians have shown themselves to be on.

You only have to know that LBJ was behind the current law to know that it is bad.


22 posted on 10/12/2012 5:52:14 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: chesley

True...

But, it is what it is, and the cash means more than the word, obviously...

Just sayin’


23 posted on 10/12/2012 6:40:39 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: joe fonebone
the cash means more than the word

well, in many cases, yes. But speaking out for good politicians, and against bad ones, is not against God's Word, is it?

24 posted on 10/12/2012 7:28:28 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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