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Obama Finally in Real Trouble
Townhall.com ^ | October 5, 2012 | Matt Towery

Posted on 10/05/2012 5:01:25 AM PDT by Kaslin

Mitt Romney, as was clear to all who watched the first presidential debate, channeled Ronald Reagan right down to the glistening hair and respectful smiling face that listened as his opponent tap-danced and stutter-stepped his way to a resounding thumping in the contest.

Several post-debate polls for varying news organizations such as CNN and Newsmax showed that the voters who watched the debate viewed President Obama's lackluster performance as a clear victory for Gov. Romney. So clear, in fact, as to outdistance the margin of perceived victory measured in most past presidential debates where same night post-debate surveys were conducted.

Most supporters of Obama will write this off to a one night off performance by their man. But a deeper examination of what took place would suggest that the president has, in many ways, created a deep hole from which he must now climb in the next two contests.

What has not been mentioned enough is the fact that this first debate was actually an introductory event for Mitt Romney. Most Americans did not watch the endless Republican primary debates earlier in the year. As a result, the image they had of Romney had been formed by brief moments from stories from the evening news or from some late night comedian. This was Mitt Romney's opportunity to introduce himself to most voters on his own terms.

And because President Obama has avoided long press conferences or other opportunities to speak extemporaneously, many voters who have seen him on cozy shows such as "The View," or in very structured interviews, such as his recent appearance on "60 Minutes," are having a hard time reconciling the Obama they thought they knew with the one who debated Romney in Denver.

Certainly the president will come out swinging in the next contest, and in coming days many a comparison will be made to Ronald Reagan's weak performance in his first debate against Walter Mondale during his 1984 re-elction bid. Reagan seemed weak and at times confused and came back to clobber Mondale in the next debate. But there is a big difference here.

First, Reagan was already known as the great communicator, and no one had ever suggested that he could only speak without the help of a teleprompter. When Reagan "bounced back" in his second debate, there was a high level of past performance to which he returned. No such record exists for President Obama. He bested John McCain in 2008, but McCain was himself a weak debater who often was lost in the same high weeds of policy and insider type talk that we heard from Obama in the Denver contest.

Reagan had no long term history of stuttering, grasping for words or uttering "uh" or "look" every few sentences while trying to respond to questions or make a point. To be honest, these stylistic problems that Obama highlighted in the first debate have been his hallmark throughout his presidency -- it is simply a matter of no one ever calling him out over them.

But Obama's debate problem runs deeper than a matter of his style and manner of delivering a message. In the first debate, he embraced several terms and pushed several concepts that could become deadly in a final contest where domestic policy can once again dominate the contest.

First, he chose to proudly adopt the term "Obamacare" as one that from now on will be considered a non-confrontational term. If Romney plays it right, Obama's decision might be tantamount to Herbert Hoover having proudly claimed ownership of the oh-so-nasty reference to the shanties and homeless hovels referred to in his days as "Hoovervilles." Obama now owns the term for better or worse.

More importantly, Obama has left open a huge door through which Romney may walk, should he so choose. By making a big issue out of the lack of specificity to Romney's proposals, such as cuts to future budgets, Obama is wide open to a last minute laundry list of specifics from Romney in the final debate. That would leave President Obama grasping at challenges to the proposals and with only days to come back with attacks. A basic rule in debate -- never let your opponent be vague and fill in all of the blanks late in the contest.

Given that President Obama's greatest problems are currently in an area most Americans don't follow, foreign policy, Romney has a sporting chance of taking two debates in a row. If that happens, the emperor may have no clothes, and once the public notices, the polling numbers may start to truly move toward Romney.


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1 posted on 10/05/2012 5:01:33 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

All that golf is finally paying off.


2 posted on 10/05/2012 5:06:17 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kaslin

“...as his opponent tap-danced...”

Ooooh, the words tap danced have been used . Isn’t that as racist as using the words “lazy” or “Chicago”? :)


3 posted on 10/05/2012 5:07:18 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Kaslin

A month back I’m sure Obama was dreading the “economy” debates and relishing the “foreign policy” debates. Now, with his foreign policy literally going up in flames, he must not be sleeping too well at night. He truly is boxed in and all Romney has to do is play his cards right.


4 posted on 10/05/2012 5:08:48 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t gloat. The left will do what they always do when a normal person threatens their stranglehold on freedom: invent a false story and plaster it all over the news.


5 posted on 10/05/2012 5:09:12 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Democrat party: criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party.)
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To: Kaslin
This is the Obama we have always known. But this time he had no clothes and Big Media couldn't cover for him. A rabid Obama supporter coworker said ‘he really looked angry’. And I said ‘I think this is who he really is’. My coworker said ‘I liked Romney’. And i said ‘I am glad to hear that’. I shy away from politics in the workplace as most of my coworkers are Libs. This conversation was really heartening.
6 posted on 10/05/2012 5:09:34 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: I want the USA back

“The left will do what they always do when a normal person threatens their stranglehold on freedom: invent a false story and plaster it all over the news.”

Or wag the dog in Libya.

I’m betting on some “huge disaster” to save his bacon.


7 posted on 10/05/2012 5:13:04 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: Kaslin

John Sununu said it best. No amount of preparation will help President Lazy and Stupid.


8 posted on 10/05/2012 5:13:13 AM PDT by MrDem (Founder: Democrats for Cheney/Palin 2012)
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To: I want the USA back
Don’t gloat. The left will do what they always do when a normal person threatens their stranglehold on freedom: invent a false story and plaster it all over the news.

It really won't matter. As long as Obama is breathing in the next two debates, the press will treat his performance as the second coming of Cicero.

9 posted on 10/05/2012 5:16:45 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Kaslin
What the debate showed was that Romney was in command of the facts and not afraid to use them. Obama blabbers. The next debate will be the end for Obama if Romney sticks with using the facts-especially on foreign policy where he hugs and bows to communist thugs and diss close allies like Israel.
10 posted on 10/05/2012 5:17:08 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Kaslin
The President has problems with short-term memory. In the debate, while he was answering Romney, he forgot most of what Romney had just said. His memory is so bad he even forgets the topic midsentence. That is why he rattles on. It is not a professorial contemplation of intricate questions, it is simply forgetting.

This memory problem is the reason he latched on to each hint Lehrer threw to him, simply repeating Lehrer's words, then getting off track while elaborating on them.

It doesn't matter if he comes out swinging the next time, he will still have trouble responding to a question and completing a sentence.

11 posted on 10/05/2012 5:24:19 AM PDT by Marylander (Offendiphobia)
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To: papertyger
I have an alternate hypothesis. It fits together with something Sarah Palin who is not prone to hyperbole alluded to, says a major story is about to break. I think Obama is throwing the election on purpose. I can see him taking a dive in the 2 and 3rd debates, not obvious but will leave the MSM saying he won anyway. We know they will say he won, be prepared for it, the phony bump in the polls, the Newsweek cover. Obama will not run with that but slog along and lose respectfully on the first Tuesday after the first Monday on November. This is his plea bargain, to lose in a not so obvious way. I am sure there are many staffers who have resumes cobbled and resignation letters ready but Team Obama has told them they will not resign, if they try they will be destroyed. Ex staffers talk...

Still calling blowout maybe 350+ electoral votes for Romney, throw in a few surprises like Michigan, NM, Pa, Wisconsin and maybe a surprise NE state like Maine.

12 posted on 10/05/2012 5:27:48 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: freeangel

Only on Monday.


13 posted on 10/05/2012 5:28:10 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s premature to declare this thing over.Romney helped himself noticeably the other night but this thing’s still very,very close.


14 posted on 10/05/2012 5:28:42 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Marylander

Obama is by far the stupidest man to ever serve as president. I still am dumbfounded how he managed to fool so many people for so long.

Obama is the poster child for affirmative action.


15 posted on 10/05/2012 5:31:09 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: I want the USA back
There is a new tape that just hit... with obama and reverend wright and an allstar black liberation marxist fest. There is a thread on FR about this right now. The avalanche of bad news for bambam is just starting.

LLS

16 posted on 10/05/2012 5:31:51 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: pburgh01
Obama will not run with that but slog along and lose respectfully on the first Tuesday after the first Monday on November.

Not as long as there's a single Libyan city left un-bombed or a single Executive Order left un-issued (student loan forgiveness,anyone?).

Still calling blowout maybe 350+ electoral votes for Romney...

Hate to say this but you're delusional.Yes,it's distinctly possible that Romney will win but if he does it will be by a whisker...Electoral Vote-wise,at least.

17 posted on 10/05/2012 5:36:01 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Link?


18 posted on 10/05/2012 5:36:56 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: papertyger

I actually agreed with Juan Williams on the Five last night. The big story was how the left reacted. They were not prepared for O to fail. They actually reacted negatively towards him. Next time they will be prepared for O to fail and will be better prepared to cover for him. Their reaction will be more controlled.


19 posted on 10/05/2012 5:37:43 AM PDT by Mercat (He's not President Kardashian, he's President BooBoo)
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To: Kaslin

I expect the ‘Town Hall’ debate to be a disaster. “I’m part of the 47%...Why do you hate me”, “I got laid off and you killed my wife”. “ I need my house back. What are you doing to help me?” These town hall questions (orchestrated by the MSM and DNC) just can’t be answered off the cuff. BUT, When the debate goes to foreign policy, that is target rich for Romney. What good has Obammi, or for that matter, Biden and Hillary been? Slo Joe wanted to split Iraq into three separate territories, giving us three more places to shovel money into and extract terrorists from, Hillary has embarrassed us daily, and Obama has killed our relations with our historical allies, shown weakness to our enemies and supported terrorists.


20 posted on 10/05/2012 5:38:14 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Mercat

Hopefully, their disappointment and outrage will be focussed on 0bama, no matter how much the left tries to blame it on conservatives.

We may yet avoid an Ozombie Apocalypse.


21 posted on 10/05/2012 5:41:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Obama is by far the stupidest man to ever serve as president.

Wrong...wrong...wrong! He's very,very intelligent.He is,OTOH,the most amoral President ever to serve.It's vitally important that we not confuse the two.We mustn't underestimate our enemy.

22 posted on 10/05/2012 5:41:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Kharis13

The funniest reaction out of the left was the hypothesis that he was sandbagging the economic debate to “come back strong” in the foreign policy debate.

I can only... what, fantasize?... that Romney will make some oblique reference to 0bama bowing to foreign leaders.


23 posted on 10/05/2012 5:43:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: pburgh01

While I can’t fault your hypothesis for credibility, I do disagree.

I can not see doyens that posit such inept excuses and rationalizations operating with that degree of subtlety and stoic resignation.


24 posted on 10/05/2012 5:43:31 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Marylander

The President has problems with short-term memor


And delivering real long term results


25 posted on 10/05/2012 5:43:38 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Obama is by far the stupidest man to ever serve as president. I still am dumbfounded how he managed to fool so many people for so long.

The vast majority of people don't follow politics like we here on FR do and they get most of their "news" from Liberal television and radio newscasters who cover for Obama.

26 posted on 10/05/2012 5:43:38 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Inyo-Mono

The vast majority of people don’t follow politics like we here on FR do and they get most of their “news” from Liberal television and radio newscasters who cover for Obama.


So true. Watched debate, and IM a relative who supports O.

There response on watching the debate. Romney is stupid.

There’s not much hope with them as a voter, as they don’t want to see the
obvious truth.

Left it with , you should reconsider, as you are younger than us, and will bear the real harm O will bring if re-elected both financially, and security wise.

Hate these family differences, but you need to tell them the truth, and then drop it.


27 posted on 10/05/2012 5:48:57 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Mercat
Next time they will be prepared for O to fail and will be better prepared to cover for him.

Point.

The only difference between Romney "looking him straight in the eye" and "trying to stare him down" is the reporter's attitude.

28 posted on 10/05/2012 5:51:15 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Having a short-term memory problem and being stupid are two different things, but I haven't seen any evidence that the President is overly smart. The only way I guess he's probably smarter than average is his heredity, which seems favorable.

About his memory problem, that could come from the admitted early excesses in marijuana and other drugs or from alcohol. There are other possible causes, but no evidence for them.

29 posted on 10/05/2012 5:52:18 AM PDT by Marylander (Offendiphobia)
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To: Safetgiver
I think the Romney Team is preparing for all the Hobson's Choice plants in the audience. Be prepared for the bleating from the helpless, hopeless and useless. It’s a fairly easy problem to wiggle out of, to gently slap the 47%er across the face with a velvet glove and make him shamed he asked it...Something like

"Well my 47% comment as Team Obama likes to do was taken out of context. My question is you said you are part of the 47% who does not pay federal income taxes correct? Well wouldn't you like to have a vibrant economy with many choices of good paying vocations for you and your family? You seem like a articulate, concerned person which you would like to be in a position of working, succeeding and prospering, to have the American Dream ..correct? I am sure you don’t want to depend on government for the safety and security of your family?(Killer question there, exposes the plant) President Obama wants you dependent, to have just enough to want more, to be dependent, that is very un-American. Thank you for your question.

See you take control by asking questions, old Zig Ziglar technique, you make the person sound irrational if they don’t follow you reasoning.

30 posted on 10/05/2012 5:56:00 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: pburgh01
I think Obama is throwing the election on purpose.

_____________________________________

You think that a narcissistic marxist who has the most powerful job in the world is going to intentionally throw it away????

Please explain your reasoning.

31 posted on 10/05/2012 5:59:40 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: patriotspride
There’s not much hope with them as a voter, as they don’t want to see the obvious truth.

Otherwise known as "denial."

Me personally... I can not permit someone, relative or not, who "doubles down on stupid" to walk away with their dignity unscathed.

32 posted on 10/05/2012 6:02:35 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: pburgh01

I boil all that down to he sometimes just doesn’t have his heart in it.

He sees the future and it is bleak. He see’s no way to successfully proceed within the shackles of liberal/marxist dogma. With a Republican House and the possibility of a Republican Senate, he can do nothing.

He is literally between a rock and a hard place.


33 posted on 10/05/2012 6:05:09 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Obama is the poster child for affirmative action.

And the Peter Principle

34 posted on 10/05/2012 6:22:01 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Gay State Conservative
He's very,very intelligent.

I don't want to discount your point about amorality, but how has he shown his "intelligence" in the four years of being President?

Politically-speaking, I think he's shown he can rule by thuggery. Like a tyrant. He surrounds himself with like-minded thugs. He'd rather rule by decree, than by the prescribed legislative process.

He's not a master politician in the sense that he can forge coalitions; he does not compromise; he's certainly not a statesmen (nor do I expect him to be one AFTER his presidency); he doesn't hold the country above his own self-interests.

If he is "intelligent," as you say, it's only that he can conform to radical poltical exigencies when there is advantage to be gained. He can be a good "front man" for radicals, but when actually called upon to show leadership and "intelligence," he falls way short.

35 posted on 10/05/2012 6:30:13 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Marylander

Memory loss is a symptom of long term marijuana use. FACT.


36 posted on 10/05/2012 6:38:41 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Kaslin
By making a big issue out of the lack of specificity to Romney's proposals, such as cuts to future budgets, Obama is wide open to a last minute laundry list of specifics from Romney in the final debate.

What Romney should say is, I've given specifics on what I will do, Mr. President. My question to you is no what will you do because your plan isn't working and we can't survive another four years in that direction. My question to you is, what will you do differently?

Then he hits him with stats again, unemployment, SSI disability (those numbers are huge), food stamps, inflation, etc.

37 posted on 10/05/2012 6:50:07 AM PDT by Kenny
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I find the hypothesis that Jim Lehrer sensed a mental defect in Obama fascinating. Unable to follow the intellectual thread or the thrust of the topic, Lehrer had to feed him the topic and redirect him to the questions. I sense there is something terribly wrong with Obama. If so, the next debate will just be the final nail in the coffin.


38 posted on 10/05/2012 6:54:49 AM PDT by worriedinoregon
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To: Gay State Conservative
I went back four pages and can't find it so it must have been a link in a post inside another thread. I actually watched most of it and obama praises wright and makes some black theology statements. I will continue to try to find it and will let you know if I find it. The subject was something like, “Another obama video surfaces”... something like that.

LLS

39 posted on 10/05/2012 6:57:56 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Kaslin

“Obama finally in real trouble.”

Not to the hardcore fourty-percenters.

IMHO


40 posted on 10/05/2012 7:07:48 AM PDT by ripley
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To: woodbutcher1963

CORRECT


41 posted on 10/05/2012 7:24:04 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: Gay State Conservative
"It’s premature to declare this thing over."

You are spot on. Romney won the debate but all it accomplished was to momentarily stop the Media led parade proclaiming the inevitability of the 0ne's reelection.

R/R had better be prepared to withstand the unleashed fury of the Chicago thugs and all of the political chicanery that such fury involves. Lets face it, the electoral math is precarious. The One only has to defend a handful of the so called swing states while R/R almost has to sweep all of them.

42 posted on 10/05/2012 7:24:45 AM PDT by buckalfa (Nabob of Negativity)
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To: Kaslin

Thinking about Obama in trouble, I can’t help but think about a wounded, cornered animal. Very dangerous and unpredictable...

Given how far they have already gone, how audacious their lies have already become, I worry about how much uglier things might get, if Team Obama really starts to think he will lose.


43 posted on 10/05/2012 7:45:07 AM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Sicon
I worry about how much uglier things might get, if Team Obama really starts to think he will lose.

It isn't difficult to imagine a handful of mentally deranged libtards going postal and attempting to kill people, like at The Family Research Council.
44 posted on 10/05/2012 7:51:26 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: I want the USA back

invent a false story and plaster it all over the news.””

We already got one:

The “7.8% Unemployment”.

If that number is correct, I am Marilyn Monroe.


45 posted on 10/05/2012 7:58:18 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Kaslin

As good as it is to see Zero’s roosters coming home...this is NOT the reason he sucked. He sucked because HE HAS NO SUBSTANCE. Period.


46 posted on 10/05/2012 8:02:18 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Excellent point


47 posted on 10/05/2012 8:07:25 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Lou L
I don't want to discount your point about amorality, but how has he shown his "intelligence" in the four years of being President?

OK,fair enough...I should have mentioned another factor in addition to amorality.Osama Obama,in terms of raw intelligence,is,very likely,in the superior range.Probably even 120's...not Mensa,but noticeably above average.What many here,including you (perhaps),mistake for "stupidity" is actually amorality combined with a breathtaking lack of wisdom and experience.I know that some argue that "wisdom" must be factored in when determining intelligence and,depending on how broadly you're defining the word,that might be appropriate.When *I* speak of intelligence I define the word rather narrowly and then,in a detailed discussion,address "wisdom","experience" and "morality" as well.

But,as was once observed,Osama *is* clean,he *is* articulate (very articulate) and has a certain charisma (to some).I point out Osama's superior intelligence in order to remind folks that an *intelligent* psychopath (e.g.,Osama) is *far* more dangerous than is a stupid one (e.g.,your typical gang banger).

48 posted on 10/05/2012 8:07:45 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: originalbuckeye

It is good to hear that some are finally waking up


49 posted on 10/05/2012 8:10:03 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Obama is by far the stupidest man to ever serve as president. I still am dumbfounded how he managed to fool so many people for so long.

Obama is the poster child for affirmative action.”””

I also think that Obama has put back advances that blacks had made in this country by as much as 200 years.

White & Hispanics are more than angry about the preferential treatment given blacks under Holder & Obama. That isn’t going to die down quickly, IMO.

Obama has given PAC’s & Romney so many ad possibilities that they have a bountiful harvest of items to choose from. Time to hit him hard!


50 posted on 10/05/2012 8:12:40 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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