Skip to comments.Gay Boy Scout, Bullied by Troop, Denied Eagle Rank
Posted on 10/05/2012 7:27:25 AM PDT by Zakeet
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First of all, I disagree with homosexuality and agree with keeping it out of boy scouts. With that said, however, the troop’s leadership failed not only boy scouting in general, the troop but also the boy as well.
- If the scoutmaster approved the project, then unfortunately he owes that final signature. The scoutmaster could have rejected it at the start and told the scout to think of a different project
- when the scout came out of the closet, the troop should have expelled the boy at the time but instead let him continue in the project and the troop
A few thing can be done differently in this case.
“Tolerance wall” my ass! These same people will drive a nail in your tire when the see a Romney sticker on your car. Boy Scouts should’ve kicked him out long ago.
Meet the age requirements. Be a boy who is 11 years old, or one who has completed the fifth grade or earned the Arrow of Light Award and is at least 10 years old, but is not yet 18 years old.
“Pack” is the larger group for Cub Scouts with the smaller groups called “Dens”; “Troop” is the larger group for Boy Scouts with the smaller groups called “Patrols”. IIRC, the Girl Scouts call all levels “Troops”.
Who on earth in his RIGHT mind would actually "hope" to go to the University of San Francisco???
(...unless he thinks there's a happy hunting ground there).
I would bet this kid was declined for Eagle because his project is so lame.
I’ve worked with quite a few homosexuals, and every single one of them has had some sort of accompanying mental or emotional disorder——or childhood sexual abuse in their past.
As for this boy, it’s beneficial for him to understand that homosexuality IS something to be ashamed of.
Gays never grasp the concept that “no means no”, and when they turn activist, they wouldn’t know the truth if it hit them between the eyes with a hammer.
His hazing drama screams BS, his “tolerance wall” and sob story of supposed victimization are blinking “ATTENTION HO” in pink neon.
The only attention this lie needs is a firm depression of the flush handle.
Eagle projects are supposed to be something that improves the community and involves your entire troop. This sounds like a fourth-grade art fair project.
You know that that adds up to??
You don't like the Scouts rules, then don't join the Scouts..
In all my years serving in various positions with my troop, I guess I never saw an instance where there was a scout who was openly proclaiming homosexuality. Therefore, because we don’t go around asking scouts what their sexual orientation is, I was saying that my troop didn’t actively “screen” scouts who might be homosexual.
Now maybe all of that was handled by the Scout Master and I never saw it, but your point about being morally straight and reverance to God is a good enough reason to kick them out of scouts. I stand corrected.
I stand corrected. You and gunny are correct.
See my post to gunny for more detail on why I stated what I did.
A troop is correct as far as Girl Scouts go, but Cub Scouts (Grades 1-5) typically are in what is called a den—it goes from Tiger all the way up to Webelos 2—then they cross over to Boy Scouts after they have met the requirements. The dens of Cub Scouts form a pack. Boy Scouts are in troops, just like Girl Scouts.
My brother was an Eagle Scout, although I can’t recall what he did for his project. I know of boys who have built an outdoor stations of the cross or some sort of grotto at the parish my mom belongs to in Indiana. In Arkansas, there was a young man from our church who did some sort of construction project at one of the local Catholic schools—it was right across the street from our house and I remember seeing them work on it.
"pack" is cub scouts ... "troop" is boy scouts (and girl scouts, IIRC)
His story, or the reporting of it, is bullshiite. You can’t be a boy scout at 6. And you certainly can’t take a decade to complete the requirements for Eagle rank.
The Eagle Scout service project would have to be pre-approved before proceeding. And anything homo would have been nipped in the bud.
This is a total fabrication.
Since when did a mental disorder stop him from lying about his becoming a victim?
There are no "gay" genes or traced genetic deficiencies...
There are no "gay" hair follicles or other DNA markers that make "gay" a biological identity...
ULTIMATELY (& BIBLICALLY):
Being "gay" is what a person has decided to do....
...and how one chooses to act out their sexual urges...
...who you really are...
Boy Scouts of America believes that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the obligations in the Scout Oath and Scout Law to be morally straight and clean in thought, word, and deed. The conduct of youth members must be in compliance with the Scout Oath and Law, and membership in Boy Scouts of America is contingent upon the willingness to accept Scoutings values and beliefs. Most boys join Scouting when they are 10 or 11 years old. As they continue in the program, all Scouts are expected to take leadership positions. In the unlikely event that an older boy were to hold himself out as homosexual, he would not be able to continue in a youth leadership position.
Despite the first two sentences, what really happens to homosexual youth is that they cannot take leadership positions. At the smaller level, this means they can't be a patrol leader, assistant patrol leader, quartermaster, etc. for their patrol as a young Scout. More importantly, they can never move from First Class to Star, Star to Life, or Life to Eagle - because those ranks all require an additional period of tenure in the Troop in a youth leadership position.
Not just approved by the Troop Advancement Committee, but by the District Advancement Committee. Something's extremely fishy about this.
Also boys who have completed the fifth grade and are at least ten years old, or have completed the Arrow of Light and are at least ten years old.
The project should improve the community and demonstrate leadership skills over your peers - which doesn't simply include Scouts. Involving only Scouts is actually the easy way out.
When you find a Scout who's able to involve friends from school, church, and the neighborhood, as well as other Scouts . . . that's impressive.
I may be wrong, but I think the Boys Scouts rules only prohibit gay leaders, not gay Scouts. Someone who is more familiar with the Boy Scouts can correct me if I'm wrong.
When the scout leaders caught us (which was usually most of the time), we were sent up to retreive the clothes and assigned an extra cleaning detail.
Still, it was worth it to see the mortified look on the face of the depantsee.
I’m guessing this story is somewhat Bouncy, along with a heap of “It’s all about me” liberal victimhood.
Actually, USF is a Catholic college. However, it is a Jesuit school, so not as firm on moral teachings as you might otherwise expect from a Catholic school.
“The news agency added that Andresens father resigned as assistant Scoutmaster after it was confirmed that Ryan wouldn’t receive the award.”
I received the petition last night and immediately called B.S. on it. This adds another dimension. They’re just outside San Francisco, the son knows the scouts rules but decides to flaunt them, dad was an assistant scout master, apparently has a beard... This stinks to high heaven as a set-up. Someone should be investigating the dad for Jerry Sandusky activity.
I think one of the best demonstrations of that was from one of my fellow Scouts. There were over thirty people involved in his project, and only a dozen of us were Scouts. He had friends from school, church, baseball, and soccer all there giving a helping hand. What would have taken the twelve Scouts almost all day to complete was actually accomplished in less than three hours through teamwork and everyone pulling together.
His father joined the troop as chief administrator...and then resigned when his son wasn’t given his eagle. So, it look like there was a lot of planning here. The question is...who is the kid’s gay partner who has likely been having illegal sex with the kid...Don’t have any idea what Ca law allows...
Father joined the scouts as chief administrator.....Set-up is right.
Please see post #72.
“I do not believe that a tolerance wall meets the minimal standards for an Eagle Scout Project.”
You are correct. Was the proposed Eagle Scout Project basically a giant poster? As the proud mom of an Eagle Scout, I know that a giant poster or even a large mural does not meet the requirements for Eagle Scout. Not even close. There are very specific requirements for an Eagle Scout project.
Cub Scouts are a “Pack”
Boy Scouts are a “Troop”
I think Girl Scouts are also a “Troop”
A couple of weeks ago a young teenage girl came to my house wearing a boy scout uniform. She said they were in the neighborhood selling popcorn for their troop. I bought some but I was surprised that boy scouts now allow girls. Her troop leader came with the product and it had boy scouts on it so I know it wasn’t a fake.
When were girls admitted.
I think post #61 describes the Eagle Project very well.
Explorer Posts have been co-ed for several years. Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts are still off limits to girls (thankfully).
That's a tricky question. Over 60 years ago (Exploring) or February 1998 (Venturing).
Explorers was previously part of the Boy Scouts of America, and was created over 60 years ago. It was a co-ed program and introduced youth to such vocational education possibilities as law enforcement, aviation, and similar professions.
Although the BSA was generally successful against the ACLU for its other programs, it repeatedly lost attacks against Exploring. Fire Departments or stations, or Police Stations, would sponsor an Explorer Post. Because Explorers required a belief in God, the ACLU argued against the relationships on separation of church and state grounds.
Exploring is now part of the BSA's affiliated Learning for Life nonprofit, which does not require religious beliefs.
Venturing is a co-ed program for youth 14-21. The uniform you saw shouldn't have been a Boy Scout Uniform. The top should have been dark forest green and the pants or shorts, grey.
That's if the youth lady wore a uniform. Venturers select their uniforms - which can be t-shirts, hawaiian shirts, polo shirts, the official uniform, or no uniform at all.
Most Venturing Crews are involved in high adventure.
I'm a huge fan of the Venturing program and will be staffing the next Powder Horn training session for my Council - Powder Horn trains Venturing and Boy Scout leaders, and Venturing Youth (which is new) in high adventure activities. Not quite Wood Badge, but a multi-day program.
Boy Scouts are a Troop
I think Girl Scouts are also a Troop
Venturers are a "Crew"
Sea Scouts are a "Ship"
Varsity Scouts are a "Team"
Explorers are a "Post"
As I said, this story is a complete fabrication.
But, coming from a homosexual, why should we be surprised?
Scouting laws forbid both. Which only makes sense if you stop and think about it; how can gays be OK as Scouts and not OK as Scout Leaders, or vice-versa?
I recently spoke to a Venture leader (they are a "crew" instead of a troop). He stresses survival skills, extended backpack camping with very little equipment, tomahawk skills, and sheath knives. Very impressive and he has had some success with inner-city boys and girls. Sounds like a great program.
The reporters probably don’t know the difference between Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, and are way too left-wing to bother to check facts and find out something about Scouting before they write their report.
That “tolerance wall” doesn’t look like much of a project. What kind of leadership and planning effort did he have to put into it?
I don’t buy the 6 year old tripe either. Cub Scouts starts ay age 8. Boy Scouts at age 11. All requirements for Eagle Scout must be completed before you turn 18. I made Eagle at age 15 in April 1972. Nixon’s signature is on my card. Lots of agenda driven tripe here. The Eagle project has to be approved before you sfart it. Well before you face of Board of Review for Eagle Scout.
The B.S.A.’s policy is that “avowed homosexuals” are not to be registered in Scouting. Basically, if you come out publicly you are not longer eligible to be in the B.S.A. The policy of “don’t ask, don’t tell” is strictly enforced; there is at least one instance of a Scout having been asked, tossed out, and then reinstated by National. But what we see here is that this young man put it in writing to his Scoutmaster that he was gay. At that point he became ineligible - but not before.
Eagle Scouts do not automatically become an adult leader on their 18th birthday, nor does any Scout. They have to fill out an Adult application just like anyone else. It’s pretty common, though, that Scouts who have stayed in their Troop through their 18th birthday are encouraged to become Assistant Scoutmasters.
I’m a little suspicious of “His Scoutmaster refused to sign off on his project” as well. If the project was completed the Scoutmaster should sign off on the project workbook’s completion form. However, after the project is completed the Scoutmaster would then - as part of the standard requirements for Eagle - have a Scoutmaster conference with the Scout to review his progress and accomplishments to that point and then sign off that the Scout fulfills the Scout Oath, Law and Spirit in his daily life on the Eagle Scout Rank application. THAT I can see the Scoutmaster in this case would not sign.
Eagle projects do not have to involve the entire Troop. They don’t have to involve anyone from the Troop, although it is certainly customary. They do have to involve enough other people that the Eagle candidate has to demonstrate leadership of those people, as opposed to doing all or the majority of the work himself.
“When I was in Scouts, our most popular form of hazing was swiping the clothes of fellow scouters, tossing them up in a tree then seeing the owner climb up after them.”
When I was a Scout the deal was to grab clothing that had been left where it should not have been left and running it up the flagpole at night, where it would be discovered by the Troop when they assembled for flag raising the next morning.