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NRA endorses Romney as ‘only hope’ for firearms freedom
The Hill ^ | October 4, 2012 | Jonathan Easley

Posted on 10/05/2012 12:13:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The National Rifle Association (NRA) endorsed Mitt Romney for president late Thursday.

NRA Executive vice president Wayne LaPierre and NRA Political Victory Fund chairman Chris Cox will formally announce the endorsement at a Romney rally in Virginia later Thursday evening. Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan will also be on hand.

“In this election, there is no debate,” LaPierre said in a statement. “There is only one choice – only one hope – to save our firearms freedom and our way of life.”

The endorsement is not surprising — the NRA has a history of supporting conservative candidates, who traditionally support strong gun rights.

“Today, we live in an America that is getting harder to recognize every day led by a President who mocks our values, belittles our faith, and is threatened by our freedom,” Cox said in a statement.

Gun rights became a campaign issue earlier in the year after a mass shooting at a movie theater in Colorado.

The late-night shooting at a crowded premier for "The Dark Knight Rises" left 12 dead and dozens wounded has rekindled calls by some on the left to push for stricter gun laws.

The semi-automatic rifle, an AR-15, was illegal under federal law until a ban on it was lifted in 2004.

“I still believe that the Second Amendment is the right course to preserve and defend and don't believe that new laws are going to make a difference in this type of tragedy,” Romney said at the time.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012endorsements; banglist; elections; gunvote; nobama2012; nodemocrats2012; nra; obama; romney; rtkba; va2012
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1 posted on 10/05/2012 12:13:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 10/05/2012 12:18:23 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has Romney ever supported 2nd Amendments rights? Doesn’t he refuse to hunt, and thinks hunting is a bad thing?


3 posted on 10/05/2012 12:20:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Joe Brower
That's like saying Anton Szandor LaVey was the last best hope for Catholicism.

I guess it's still better than voting for Satan...

A better hope would have been that John the Baptist guy, Gary Johnson. But he doesn't have one of the Big Two Party duopoly gangs in his corner, so I guess we'll just have to see how this turns out.

4 posted on 10/05/2012 12:24:03 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The semi-automatic rifle, an AR-15, was illegal under federal law until a ban on it was lifted in 2004.

Er... No. That is not what that idiotic law did. Sheesh.

5 posted on 10/05/2012 12:25:27 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: nickcarraway

The NRA, like many of the rest of us, are faced with two choices. Pick a team.


6 posted on 10/05/2012 12:27:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: nickcarraway

This is the guy that wrote his own assault weapons ban for his state when the federal one expired...

I am going to begrudgingly voting for him, only because of 1979 redux...

But please, stop turning this liberal socialist into the next conservative champion..

it turns my stomach..


7 posted on 10/05/2012 12:38:39 PM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So if Romney restricts gun rights< we can say, “yeah, “Obama didn’t do it.”


8 posted on 10/05/2012 12:42:07 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Yes, more than 0 has and he certainly will more than 0 will.

And no offense but I don't GAF if he chooses to hunt or not, so long as he supports your right and mine to hunt if we choose to. The worst thing he could do would be to saunter into a sporting goods store and do a reprise on John f'n Kerry (who served in Vietnam, btw) and patronize the f out of everybody and say "Can I get me a huntin' licen' here?"

Like the man said, "choose a side".

9 posted on 10/05/2012 12:56:06 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you.


10 posted on 10/05/2012 12:57:44 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: nickcarraway

Obama would attempt to take away gun rights by decree in his 2nd term. I expect Romney to leave guns alone.


11 posted on 10/05/2012 1:04:37 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The semi-automatic rifle, an AR-15, was illegal under federal law until a ban on it was lifted in 2004.

Uh, no it was not. But this is the type of journ-O-lism I expect from the Hill.

12 posted on 10/05/2012 1:08:26 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

That’s pretty naive. Obama will have to fight against a Republican Congress. Romney won’t have to worry about it. Democrats are afraid of the gun issues. Romney won’t be afraid to lower the boom.


13 posted on 10/05/2012 1:09:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Joe Brower

I never did get one of those “ALL IN” coins.

And I’m a life member!


14 posted on 10/05/2012 1:10:54 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: nickcarraway

I doubt it is naive. Will see though.


15 posted on 10/05/2012 1:11:58 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: nickcarraway

And what’s the other choice 30 days from now? You know the correct answer. Obama who does not care one lick about the separation of powers or Romney who should play inside the rule of law.


16 posted on 10/05/2012 1:16:26 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
The semi-automatic rifle, an AR-15, was illegal under federal law until a ban on it was lifted in 2004.

That may actually be correct. An AR-15, strictly speaking is a Colt product, and with all the features, would have been illegal until the ban was lifted. That doesn't mean that all of those variants sold as "AR-15"'s were illegal, as I'm sure the writer meant, but, hey...he had to get something wrong.

17 posted on 10/05/2012 1:22:26 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Red Steel

I just don’t understand why you want to give the message to Romney that he has free reign to impose leftism on this country. He already change the rules at the GOP convention to limit conservatives. Now, conservatives are acting like the guy is the greatest thing in the world. He’s not even a moderate. Come January 2013, he will not be fighting the left, he will be eviscerating the right. But then, your inviting him to do it, so I guess it’s fair game.


18 posted on 10/05/2012 1:24:16 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The NRA endorses a man who permanently banned the exact sort of weapons that the British redcoats went to Lexington and Concord to try to confiscate.

Shameful, but not surprising. The NRA has been supporting democrats for years.


19 posted on 10/05/2012 1:37:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Congratulations on your big 'win.' Obviously, Romney is a much more capable socialist than Obama.)
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To: All
There is till confusion about the AWB, even among firearms-friendly people, so I thought I would post something to clear things up.

The “Assault Weapons Ban” (AWB) passed by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton took effect on September 13, 1994. It did not ban semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 currently in civilian hands, nor did it ban future sales of semi-automatic rifles. It created a new (and I would submit, inaccurate) definition of an “assault weapon”. Historically, “assault weapons” were selectable for automatic or “machine-gun” fire, or at least for a multiple-round burst with one trigger pull. After all, if military personnel were engaged in rapid movement when in danger of coming into sudden contact with the enemy (or when military personnel were specifically “assaulting” enemy positions), having automatic fire capability was considered desirable in modern warfare.

The AWB created a new, cosmetic definition of an “assault weapon” as one that had could accept a detachable magazine, and had more than one of the following features: a pistol grip that protruded conspicuously below the receiver, a folding or telescoping stock, a bayonet lug, a flash suppressor, or a grenade launcher.

It is interesting to note that under the 1994 AWB (which expired in 1994), all semi-automatic weapons in civilian possession before the AWB initiation that would have later been banned were not considered “assault weapons” (due to their dates of manufacture and possession). Nor were the millions of semi-automatic weapons manufactured and sold to civilians during the 10 years the ban was in place. Technically, according to Congress’ inaccurate and cosmetic definition, the only “assault weapons” during the ban were weapons meeting the AW definition that were manufactured and/or possessed by civilians during those 10 years. That would include precious few weapons, and shows how absurd the AWB was. Weapons possessed before the ban came into effect that met the 1994 AW definition were grandfathered, and weapons with the same general capability (semi-automatic fire and the ability to accept magazines holding from 11 up to 100 rounds) were legal to manufacture and sell to civilians during the 10 years of the ban.

As for the high-capacity magazine ban that was part of the same 1994 Crime Bill (banning civilian possession of magazines holding more than 10 rounds that were manufactured after the September 13, 1994 initiation of the law), it merely raised prices for such magazines. There were tens of millions of “high-capacity” magazines in civilian hands as of September 1994. If someone was specifically intending to commit criminal assault with a firearm, or to put themselves into a situation in which they would be willing to do so, they would not be stopped by a price increase of $20-50 per magazine (depending on type), nor would many such criminally-minded individuals be chastened by the prospect of additional incarceration due to the AWB or hi-capacity magazine ban laws.

Fortunately, these laws sunsetted on September 13, 1994. As a sidebar, I would point out that the streets have not run “red with blood” due to the expiration of these laws, as the anti-gun forces warned in 2004. In fact, in the 20 years between the height of the crack-exacerbated crime peak of the early 1990s, the American people have taken legal possession of well over 150 million firearms, and violent crime has been nearly cut in half during that time.

20 posted on 10/05/2012 1:38:17 PM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: gundog
gundog said: "An AR-15, strictly speaking is a Colt product, and with all the features, would have been illegal until the ban was lifted. "

Wasn't that, "illegal to transfer"? Weren't all the existing rifles grandfathered in? Kalifornia is so screwed up that I don't even recall exactly what the federal law was.

21 posted on 10/05/2012 1:38:42 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: nickcarraway

“Obama will have to fight against a Republican Congress.”

Yeah that’s really held the Kenyan back so far. Did you miss all the czars, executive orders, Holder?

I think you need to keep up with current events. You either don’t pay attention, don’t care or you work for the other team. You make no sense whatsoever and saying it over and over again will never make it true.

Romney: “I have five sons, so I’m used to having people say something to me that isn’t quite true ... and that repeating it again and again will make it so.”


22 posted on 10/05/2012 1:39:07 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: William Tell

Yeah. And probably only a transfer through an FFL. Private sale should have been cool. Good catch. Journalists seem to believe that all “assault rifles” disappeared during the ban.


23 posted on 10/05/2012 1:44:34 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: nickcarraway
I never said the squish Romney is such a good choice. The alternative is a lot worse. Any Romney liberalism can be dealt with later.

I just don’t understand why you want to give the message to Romney that he has free reign to impose leftism on this country.

The message that you are sending is let Obama win to impose his Marxism on the country. I don't think you mean that but that is what can be implied.

24 posted on 10/05/2012 1:47:10 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: All

“Pre-ban” weapons and “pre-ban” “high-capacity” magazines (those manufactured and possessed by civilians before September 13, 1994) were legal for sale and transfer to other civilians. Several states passed their own AWB laws (with no sunset date), most of which mirrored the federal AWB.


25 posted on 10/05/2012 1:49:08 PM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: BushMeister
'Several states passed their own AWB laws (with no sunset date), most of which mirrored the federal AWB.'

Like Massachusetts?

26 posted on 10/05/2012 2:07:04 PM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: 1035rep
No, I've been paying very close attention. Translation: Obama is bad, so we should welcome socialism with open arms!

So, all the Democrats had to get you to abandon conservatism was elect Obama? They are tricky.

27 posted on 10/05/2012 2:16:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Red Steel
Any Romney liberalism can be dealt with later.

Wow, you are the first Romney pounder to actually mentions this. (albeit after I pressed you several times) Pretty much everyone is going on about how great he is and giving him a blank check.

Since you are suggesting we put a Socialist in charge of the country, and someone who wants to push conservatives into a 3rd party, what exactly do you propose to stop him?

28 posted on 10/05/2012 2:19:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Your posts are just silly.


29 posted on 10/05/2012 2:22:37 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ann Romney travelled to St. Louis for the 2012 NRA annual convention earlier this year and addressed the "2012 Celebration of American Values Leadership Forum." Mitt (a Life member - no idea when he joined) also addressed the convention where he championed the Constitution.
American Hunter, SEP 2012, p. 14

NRA president, David Keene, wrote in the SEP 2012 edition of the American Hunter: Jim Wallace, Executive Director of the MA Gun Owners Action League (GOAL) and an NRA committee member says without equivocation that during Romney's administration "no anti-second Amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation made it to the governor's desk and the governor managed to sign 5 pro-Second Amendment/pro-sportsmen bills into law." That, says Wallace, must be considered an extraordinary achievement given the political realities of MA (during his watch, Democrats controlled 2/3 of both chambers of the state legislature).

Chris Cox, NRA ILA (Institute of Legislative Action) Executive Director, interviewed Mitt Romney for the SEP 2012 edition of American Rilfeman and American Hunter (p. 16-19). Mitt sounded mighty conservative on all matters regarding the 2nd Amendment.

That said, I don't trust WMR at all. His history of flip-flopping on a host of other issues, his support of homosexuality in the Boy Scouts and right for homosexual couples to adopt, his holding the TEA Party at arm's length, and his actions at the 2012 GOP convention where conservatism was excluded show me he is not to be trusted.

Q: But what choice do we have?
A: The devil we don't know. I too will crawl over broken glass to vote for WMR.

30 posted on 10/05/2012 3:03:25 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We don't need gov't permission to enforce our rights: just our index finger.

The Kenyan must go.

31 posted on 10/05/2012 3:20:12 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Crap, all I know is that Obama is going to lose the Salesmen of the Year Award for Firearms come January 2013.

And good bye you POS.


32 posted on 10/05/2012 3:51:12 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: MacNaughton

He joined the NRA in 2005.


33 posted on 10/05/2012 3:58:37 PM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Theoria

Thanks, Theoria, for that info. So, he joined during his term as governor of MA. Almost looks like a late-life conversion.


34 posted on 10/05/2012 4:30:56 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: joe fonebone
But please, stop turning this liberal socialist into the next conservative champion.. it turns my stomach..

Here, take a teaspoon of "Don't read it".......There, feel better?

Oh, and stop kicking that dead horse......

35 posted on 10/05/2012 5:11:18 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: EternalVigilance
The NRA endorses ..... The NRA has been supporting democrats for years.

So where's their endorsement for Obama?

36 posted on 10/05/2012 5:15:22 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LaPierre said in a statement. “There is only one choice – only one hope – to save our firearms freedom and our way of life.”

There is another, more ugly way, that might become necessary.


37 posted on 10/05/2012 5:59:04 PM PDT by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: satan

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


38 posted on 10/05/2012 6:08:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I'm sorry you missed the point.

Romney is a democrat.

Romney signs off on permanent assault weapons ban

“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony...“These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

39 posted on 10/05/2012 6:34:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Congratulations on your big 'win.' Obviously, Romney is a much more capable socialist than Obama.)
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To: EternalVigilance

And you are deliberately distorting the facts. Romney is NOT a Democrat no matter how much you wish he was. That was only a snippet of what he said as he signed the law, which was PRO-GUN and actually eased the restrictions. GOAL (Gun Owners Action League) in Mass was lobbying for the bill and is backing Romney solidly on his protecting the 2cnd Amendment.


GOAL statement:

“During the Romney Administration, no anti-Second Amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation made its way to the Governor’s desk.

Governor Romney did sign five pro-Second Amendment/pro-sportsmen bills into law. His administration also worked with Gun Owners’ Action League and the Democratic leadership of the Massachusetts House and Senate to remove any anti-Second Amendment language from the Gang Violence bill passed in 2006.”

http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html


40 posted on 10/05/2012 7:12:07 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Tamzee

Lying for Romney is a cottage industry.

Quislings, that’s what they are.


41 posted on 10/05/2012 7:45:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Congratulations on your big 'win.' Obviously, Romney is a much more capable socialist than Obama.)
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To: Tamzee
“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony...“These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”
42 posted on 10/05/2012 7:46:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Congratulations on your big 'win.' Obviously, Romney is a much more capable socialist than Obama.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ah but he said he’s become more conservative as he got older.


43 posted on 10/05/2012 7:55:23 PM PDT by JediJones (ROMNEY/RYAN: TURNAROUND ARTISTS ***** OBAMA/BIDEN: BULL $HIT ARTISTS)
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To: JediJones
Romney Renews His Support For Gun Control, 23 July [2012]: "That's the kind of legislation I like"
44 posted on 10/05/2012 8:03:26 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Congratulations on your big 'win.' Obviously, Romney is a much more capable socialist than Obama.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Uh, uh, Jim you may want to move on to another topic...” -—Hussein Obammy (Debate #1)


45 posted on 10/05/2012 8:37:18 PM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: EternalVigilance

Mr. Hoefling, 3rd party candidate:

You can bold and bigger-font that until it takes up the entire page, if you’d like, it doesn’t change the fact that Romney, as Governor of the most liberal state in our nation, not only never harmed gun rights, repeatedly signed legislation that expanded gun rights. And that comes directly from the gun-lobby in Massachusetts and the NRA.

By your taking snippets of quotes to mischaracterize his standing and history of action on gun rights, you are bearing false witness.


46 posted on 10/05/2012 9:30:49 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: EternalVigilance
To quote a great man, there you go again. In the conservative world, we call this Dowdifying a quote...cutting out a chunk of speech in a quote to give the false impression about what someone actually said. It's LYING. You wrote:

Romney Renews His Support For Gun Control, 23 July [2012]: "That's the kind of legislation I like"

What he actually said was this

"the law that we signed in Massachusetts was a combination of efforts both on the part of those that were for additional gun rights and those that opposed gun rights,...Where there are opportunities for people of reasonable minds to come together and find common ground, that’s the kind of legislation I like.

.

Your post was basic, blatant lying, and you pose yourself as representing the Christian right?

.

47 posted on 10/05/2012 9:39:50 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: ex91B10
We don't need gov't permission to enforce our rights: just our index finger.

Bumper sticker.

48 posted on 10/05/2012 9:41:59 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Lying for Romney is a cottage industry.

Quislings, that’s what they are.

Again with name-calling and calling others liars while you are blatantly bearing false witness against opponents. Seriously, I'm worried about you. I believe you have truly lost your way and constantly miss the forest for the trees. I think you have honest intentions in your campaign, but you are so consumed in your pursuit of office in the name of "morality" that you are Machiavellian in your tactics. When truth and honor in debate do not supersede your political pursuit, why should anyone have confidence that you would suddenly remember truth and honor AFTER you were sworn in?

Based on the principles you say you espouse on your site, I think you would have been excellent in office... starting locally, working your way up. But I just don't see those principles revealed in your speech to others here :-(

49 posted on 10/05/2012 10:01:26 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The NRA is sometimes pragmatic to a fault. I can understand a C rating for Mitt over an F for Obama, but he should not get the endorsement. I wouldn't have done it. I'd release a statement to the effect of "he's not getting a full endorsement, but better than the other guy."

Joe Schwarz was endorsed, so there is precedence for bad endorsements. I'm voting for Mitt as the lesser of two evils, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking he's the next George Washington.

50 posted on 10/05/2012 10:13:14 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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