Posted on 10/05/2012 4:09:16 PM PDT by rkoliver
“International Bankers” are the commonly used code words for “Jews”.
There was no consistent expansion after the Second National Bank was allowed to expire by Jackson. Rather, there were disastrous booms and busts caused by currency chaos. Currency issued or backed by the National Bank was reliable money, that issued by the state banks frequently worthless or of indeterminate value.
Jackson’s fanaticism and ignorance provoked the WORST DEPRESSION the nation had experienced. In spite of the massive investment by the British that period was filled with misery due to Jackson’s incompetence.
Panics and depression were common features of 19th century economic life. International bankers had no control over the National Bank or the Second National Bank. Removing those banks gave those bankers MORE power not less.
International bankers did not WANT a National Bank and opposed its creation until the Panic of 1907 erupted a few years before the creation of the Fed. They certainly did not need to provoke the farmers and Westerners to demand a Reserve banking system. They saw the metals THEY MINED drawn away to the East leaving them without an adequate money supply and with economic misery. And demanded this system from the 1880s.
Your conspiracy theory comes from not really understanding how the economy works, little real knowledge of history and believing outright lies. Silly stuff.
When I say "international bankers", I'm not saying "Jews". It's my belief that the Vatican bank, the "Institute for Works of Religion", is playing a major roll in the effort to take away our freedoms. The Jesuits throughout the centuries have been behind a lot of intrigue also. The upper hierarchy of the Freemasons, with their Hermetic symbolism and pagan rites, may be involved also. Islam. Communists. It's the whole world versus protestant America. Satan is the prince of the air, and probably all these are his weapons. Now by no means am I saying that all Catholics and Freemasons are out to take away our freedoms, but there are elements of the hierarchies that are looking for world conquest, and the Federal Reserve was their foot in our door.
There was no consistent expansion after the Second National Bank was allowed to expire by Jackson.
Like the Great Depression was "consistent expansion".
Rather, there were disastrous booms and busts caused by currency chaos. Currency issued or backed by the National Bank was reliable money, that issued by the state banks frequently worthless or of indeterminate value.
That's the value of gold.
Jackson’s fanaticism and ignorance provoked the WORST DEPRESSION the nation had experienced. In spite of the massive investment by the British that period was filled with misery due to Jackson’s incompetence.
Mountain out of a molehill. We expanded greatly between Jackson and Wilson.
Panics and depression were common features of 19th century economic life.
Likewise after the Federal Reserve was created, but worse.
International bankers had no control over the National Bank or the Second National Bank.
You live in an alternate reality.
Removing those banks gave those bankers MORE power not less.
If you want to see power, look at the Federal Reserve.
International bankers did not WANT a National Bank and opposed its creation...
There's your alternate reality again.
... until the Panic of 1907 erupted a few years before the creation of the Fed.
Gee, what a coincidence. Create a problem and provide the solution to gain power. How clever.
They certainly did not need to provoke the farmers and Westerners to demand a Reserve banking system.
Farmers voted for Obama too. They usually aren't very educated in international finance.
They saw the metals THEY MINED drawn away to the East leaving them without an adequate money supply and with economic misery. And demanded this system from the 1880s.
California was in economic misery huh?
Your conspiracy theory comes from not really understanding how the economy works, little real knowledge of history and believing outright lies. Silly stuff.
When the gulags in Siberia were shut down, some of the prisoners that were there were there so long that they wouldn't leave, thinking it wasn't so bad. That's what you remind me of. You rationalize the enslavement we've been under since 1913 by saying that things were so bad before them that we have to have our slave masters, we can't live without them. You've shown no evidence that things were bad. All the evidence points to a great expansion before the Federal Reserve, gaining states, settling California, creating the great cities of San Francisco and the rest. Since we went completely off gold under Nixon, there's been hardly any rise in the standard of living. Keep living in fantasy land if it makes you feel better about licking the boots of your international banker masters.
Your silliness is not worth much more of me telling you truths which mean nothing to you. The world economy is not controlled or controllable by a group of men or even governments. Nor are problems created deliberately to further a conspiracy.
Capitalist development has booms and busts because of the business cycle itself; because of the monetary disturbances which exist under ALL currency regimes; bankruptcies; metal strikes; technological development; wars; revolts; crop failure and other factors. Central banks have little or no control over most of that list nor total control over monetary policy. And they certainly do not deliberately destroy economies.
There has never really been a gold standard either. When such is adopted and convertibility initially exists, it only takes a war to knock convertibility out of the picture.
Britain for much or most of the 19th century did not have convertibility. May as well use the stone money of Yap as gold.
Most of the Populist demand for Reserve Banks was in the middle of the country, that is where conditions were frequently desperate because of the lack of money. San Francisco and Seattle banks were strong so the economy of the coast was stronger than the non-coastal west.
Your pretending the history of our economy, before and after the Fed, is not one of dramatic booms and bust, financial panics, depression and great suffering does not change the facts. Just because the trend line is up that does not remove the human pain when things are below it.
Monetary conditions were a persistent and serious problem in 19th century politics after the destruction of the National Bank. And the agitation did NOT come from your International Conspiracy.
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
There is the city that reigns over the kings of the earth. The Federal Reserve is one of their tools.
Capitalist development has booms and busts because of the business cycle itself; because of the monetary disturbances which exist under ALL currency regimes; bankruptcies; metal strikes; technological development; wars; revolts; crop failure and other factors. Central banks have little or no control over most of that list nor total control over monetary policy.
So you're arguing with yourself. You say we can't go without a central bank, but here you say a central bank can't do much. If it can't do much, let's get rid of it and end the slavery.
And they certainly do not deliberately destroy economies.
They're destroying ours right now. There's no way out of a 16 trillion dollar debt.
There has never really been a gold standard either. When such is adopted and convertibility initially exists, it only takes a war to knock convertibility out of the picture. Britain for much or most of the 19th century did not have convertibility. May as well use the stone money of Yap as gold.
If it's never been tried then let's try it. What were doing is failing.
Most of the Populist demand for Reserve Banks was in the middle of the country, that is where conditions were frequently desperate because of the lack of money. San Francisco and Seattle banks were strong so the economy of the coast was stronger than the non-coastal west.
Farmers voted for Obama too.
Your pretending the history of our economy, before and after the Fed, is not one of dramatic booms and bust, financial panics, depression and great suffering does not change the facts. Just because the trend line is up that does not remove the human pain when things are below it.
The period between Jackson and Wilson was certainly no worse than after 1913 when it comes to booms and busts. And now the Federal Reserve is on the verge of destroying our economy to bring in their grand plan of global socialism. They have to destroy us first, and it will soon happen with this debt. So not only were the booms and busts not relieved by the Federal Reserve, but we get the added catastrophe of a destroyed economy.
Monetary conditions were a persistent and serious problem in 19th century politics after the destruction of the National Bank. And the agitation did NOT come from your International Conspiracy.
Oh yes, they were behind a lot of the problems. It wouldn't surprise me if they sank the gold ship.
One cannot talk sense to an insane man and expect anything positive.
There is no “slavery” by the Fed or anyone else. Only by perverting the meaning of the word can your claim be made.
Revelations has nothing to do with the Fed that any human can understand.
War destroys the gold standard. Britain suspended convertibility for decades at a time. Central banks can control monetary policy to some extent but not completely but the amount of control they do have make them sought after.
Debt is created by Congress NOT the Federal Reserve. It only BUYS some of that debt. You are very confused about monetary affairs. Perhaps you are also unaware that the Fed actually gives 100% of its profits to the federal treasury. It MAKES big money for the U.S. taxpayer i.e. almost free debt.
The most prosperous era in the history of mankind is your idea of one that is “failing”. Ludicrous stuff. The POOR in this country live like kings of old. In the past most families barely scraped by. Now you have to be an idiot to starve.
The fact that lower classes agitated for the Reserve system merely shows that the conspiracy of international bankers was not the initiators or pressure for its creation contrary to your nutty claims. It has nothing to do with them being right or wrong about it being necessary nor workable. But they certainly were being crushed arbitrarily and unnecessarily by the system as it existed before the Fed.
The period between Jackson and Wilson was every bit as bad as the period after the Fed. Repeated busts and panics accompanied our expansion. Some were unnecessary such as the decade long depression Jackson provoked. Some were not.
The fragility of the system to hysterical panics was well illustrated by the sinking of just ONE ship. That alone showed something else was needed.
Crackpot claims about the Fed mingled with no understanding about its history, operations or role within the capitalist economy are very UNpersuasive.
What does the Federal Reserve do for us? Pre-Fed we had a system, a little bit of the business cycle, ups and downs, but growing. The men behind the Federal Reserve move in, claim we have to have them, conveniently the major opposition all die on the so-called Titanic (a ship owned by them) Disaster, and they put in a system where we have the same cycles but now the booms and busts are worse (Great Depression), and we have a devaluation of our currency on an unbelievable scale to the point of economic collapse. So they've been instituting their global socialism on us, and for the privilege of have these pieces of cotton rather than gold in our vaults, we pay them trillions in inflation costs. They don't put out our fires, lock up our criminals, deliver our mail, protect our borders, they just collect all this in inflation. That is slavery. There is a reason the bible calls the debt system "usury", that is all they're doing, is using us.
Revelations has nothing to do with the Fed that any human can understand.
The bible was written to us. Why would God write a letter He intends no one to read? If God says there is a city that rules the kings of the earth, then there is a city that rules the kings of the earth, and it is the men behind the Federal Reserve.
War destroys the gold standard.
And how do a lot of these wars start? These men.
Britain suspended convertibility for decades at a time. Central banks can control monetary policy to some extent but not completely but the amount of control they do have make them sought after.
And it's a bad system because it's on the verge of collapse. Collapse is what these men want, they want it so they can rule outright. They're going to do the same thing they did in 1913, they're going to say "freedom has failed", and tell us to adopt their new system of buying and selling so that no man may buy and sell without their mark.
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Debt is created by Congress NOT the Federal Reserve. It only BUYS some of that debt. You are very confused about monetary affairs. Perhaps you are also unaware that the Fed actually gives 100% of its profits to the federal treasury. It MAKES big money for the U.S. taxpayer i.e. almost free debt.
Anyone can do simple math. Gold is what they keep in their vaults. The inflation of gold the last ten years has been 17.7% per yer average. Let's be charitable and say there is only 3 trillion in our monetary base. 17.7 percent of 3 trillion is 531 billion. They gave 77 billion back in '11. Converting their ever more worthless dollars into gold is giving them 450 billion a year profit, and then they give us 77 billion in ever more worthless dollars to make us feel better.
The most prosperous era in the history of mankind is your idea of one that is “failing”. Ludicrous stuff. The POOR in this country live like kings of old. In the past most families barely scraped by. Now you have to be an idiot to starve.
You been in a cave since 1974? We're supposed to be happy with almost no improvement in standard of living for almost 40 years now? The reason our lives haven't changed since 1974 is they keep us enslaved. You're a house slave. You got your bed, your warm house, and you don't mind that the en-slavers are skimming off the top more and more each year. We should be curing cancer and taking vacations to the moons of Saturn by now at the rate we were improving before 1974.
The fact that lower classes agitated for the Reserve system merely shows that the conspiracy of international bankers was not the initiators or pressure for its creation contrary to your nutty claims.
The intrigue of the international bankers caused most of the strife that causes the economically uneducated to call for things that hurt them. You see it today, "soak the rich, soak the rich". It's the small businesses that provide their jobs and they support corporate tax rates that put them out of their jobs. The unions do the same thing, they support the things that causes their plants to close thereby losing membership.
It has nothing to do with them being right or wrong about it being necessary nor workable. But they certainly were being crushed arbitrarily and unnecessarily by the system as it existed before the Fed.
It was the poor that got hurt the worst by the Great Depression. They had it worse under the Fed then they had it before.
The period between Jackson and Wilson was every bit as bad as the period after the Fed.
Where's your evidence? We gained states, gained prosperity, gained in standard of living. There was no change in per capita income from 1760 to 1830, and that was with two central banks. Then when the central bank was not rechartered, we took off until Wilson. Wilson gives us the Fed and we get the Great Depression. The Fed gets greedy and so Nixon has to take us completely off gold and there is where the standard of living increases stopped.
Repeated busts and panics accompanied our expansion.
We've had nothing but booms and busts since and the Great Depression was the worst.
Some were unnecessary such as the decade long depression Jackson provoked.
What depression? There was expansion during Jackson in income per capita.
Some were not. The fragility of the system to hysterical panics was well illustrated by the sinking of just ONE ship. That alone showed something else was needed.
Just don't put all the eggs in one basket. That is easy enough to fix. Instead we get a system that gives us the Great Depression and now we head into hyperinflation. So we face the end of our economy because of the wants of the uneducated of 1912.
Crackpot claims about the Fed mingled with no understanding about its history, operations or role within the capitalist economy are very UNpersuasive.
I'm sure bootlickers don't care about their house slavery. They're not in the fields.
Your view of history is wrong in every particular you have listed.
Our standard of living is much higher today than in 1800, 1900 and 1974. Our houses are bigger, cars more efficient, our electronics is highly advanced and much cheaper, our world is highly computerized, food is cheap. The economy is so productive that the government is able to drain trillions of dollars out of it every year.
After Reagan became president the price of gold collapsed then barely moved for a couple of decades. It was a horrible investment. It is insane to believe the Fed profited from the price of gold increasing the last decade since it never sold its reserves. That is not where its profits come from.
Um, I was here in 1974, and we had it a lot better in '74 than now due to inflation. My dad is on the verge of losing his house. Social Security is getting ready to dry up. My dad can't afford anything but the free channels they let you have once in a while.
The economy is so productive that the government is able to drain trillions of dollars out of it every year.
They're not "draining trillions" every year, they're putting it on our debt. The money is coming from nowhere but the presses!
After Reagan became president the price of gold collapsed then barely moved for a couple of decades. It was a horrible investment.
Gold should not be an investment! Gold should be a stabilizer! It's purpose should be to keep an economy honest. The price of gold should not swing wildly like it has been doing since the 70s. The wild swing of the gold price is due to the failures of the Federal Reserve system. People should be investing their money in companies, not gold. Gold should be in the vaults doing it's job. Instead we replace gold with cotton and take away the foundation that keeps an economy from gyrating wildly.
It is insane to believe the Fed profited from the price of gold increasing the last decade since it never sold its reserves. That is not where its profits come from.
It profits from inflation. The men that own the Federal Reserve give us cotton and take the gold. Their currency is gold and oil. The Fed doesn't own the gold, the men that own the Fed own the gold. The Fed is just a cover for their operation. They put the Fed out in public to do it's dirty work and they profit behind the scenes laughing that we exchange our hard work and other treasures for their ever more worthless pieces of cotton.
I'm lobbying for:
Republicans freed the Slaves High School.
Hayes is right.
Wilson issued an executive order preventing blacks from working in the federal government. He created the DC slums almost overnight.
Only in your imagination was life better in 1974 than now even The Disaster has not lowered our standard of living below ‘74. Your father’s problems are not those of most retired people even. I’m retired myself. Our age group is actually better off than the young families in our nation.
I guess you never heard of taxes which are definitely drained from citizens in the trillions EVERY YEAR.
Gold never kept the economy from swinging wildly, contrary to the fantasies you insist on calling realities. The difference is that many of those swings came from the precious metals strikes which were totally unpredictable.
The Fed is “owned” by member banks in name only. Control of the Fed is in the hands of government appointed governors not its stockholders. This was also true of the 1st and 2d banks of the United States.
If I had erroneous beliefs as to what the Fed is and how it works such as those you hold I would be in an uproar about it too. But since it is nothing like what you claim I can only shake my head at your ignorance.
Banks do not profit from inflation in any case. Inflation was the debtor’s best friend NOT the bankers. Inflation made loans easier to pay back and reduced the profits of bankers. Protecting the value of currency was the bankers’ main goal. Nor does the Fed CREATE inflation that is strictly on government excess spending forcing the Fed to buy debt and increase the money supply.
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