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U.S. Soldiers Urged Not to Shoot Taliban at Night so Locals Can Sleep
Breitbart ^ | 10/05/12 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 10/05/2012 4:14:04 PM PDT by DFG

Reports indicate U.S. soldiers and British Royal Marines have been urged to show "courageous constraint" by not shooting Taliban members spotted planting IEDs.

The reason? Shooting them might disturb the locals.

This news comes out on the heels of an investigation into the death of Royal Marine Sergeant Peter Rayner, whom witnesses say watched the Taliban plant IEDs at night but was ordered not to engage them. Families of other soldiers and Royal Marines are telling stories of how their loved ones were not allowed to use mortars or night illumination when they came across Taliban members in an area full of IEDs.

The reason given was that "the sound of shooting 'might wake up and upset the locals.'"

This is not "courageous restraint" -- this is appeasement.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ied; royalmarines; taliban

1 posted on 10/05/2012 4:14:16 PM PDT by DFG
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To: DFG
I wonder what this guy would have to say about this policy.


2 posted on 10/05/2012 4:16:51 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: DFG

This is not “courageous restraint” — this is INSANITY!


3 posted on 10/05/2012 4:17:38 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: DFG

Maybe the soldiers should sing lullabies over loudspeakers during the night.


4 posted on 10/05/2012 4:18:21 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: Signalman; All

“When you put your hand, into a bunch of goo, that a moment before wass your best friends face...You’ll know what to do...”

Besides...Seems to me we own the night, and the faster the “locals” cough up the bad guys, the faster they’ll get their beauty rest...


5 posted on 10/05/2012 4:20:07 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Signalman
I wonder what this guy would have to say about this policy.

I believe he'd say fire that bastard Dempsey.

6 posted on 10/05/2012 4:21:14 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Jyotishi

I have a better idea. Every CO out there orders their chopper units to blast ride of the Valkyries over loud speakers during the hours of midnight, 4AM and a carpet bombing at 4PM during Mecca facing hours. Now that is how to fight a war.


7 posted on 10/05/2012 4:21:46 PM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: DFG

Alexander the Great conquered the area of Afghanistan in the 300s BC.

I bet if he operated in the same way we are, he would never have made it out of Macedonia.


8 posted on 10/05/2012 4:21:46 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: DFG
Okay, then SCREW the locals.

We can and should retreat to our own borders and let these nutballs kill each other off in the Middle East.

9 posted on 10/05/2012 4:25:19 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Jyotishi

Forget lullabies, how ‘bout “Onward Christian Soldiers?” That’ll help everyone sleep. ;)


10 posted on 10/05/2012 4:26:09 PM PDT by madison10
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To: stevie_d_64

Yeah. Do they really think the local people will sleep well knowing that the Taliban is running around completely unchallenged?

What if our local police had that attitude? Nope, better not catch gangbangers at night. The locals are trying to sleep.

Somebody could do a cute cartoon of this, showing that the war hours are sun-up to sundown only, Mon.-Fri.


11 posted on 10/05/2012 4:27:05 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: DFG

OK so we should build them girls schools, not shoot back when attacked, and not shoot at night cuz it’s noisy.

And the people telling us this are HEROIN DEALERS.

Just wow.


12 posted on 10/05/2012 4:27:36 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: DFG

Sounds like another Obama ROE.


13 posted on 10/05/2012 4:27:36 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: DFG

Issue suppressed MP5’s and carry on.


14 posted on 10/05/2012 4:27:58 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: stevie_d_64; All
I had to keep clicking to get;

" U.S. military chiefs ordered troops to exercise 'courageous constraint' and even warned them they could be charged with murder if they shot any Taliban without permission from above."


What raghead lovin' bastard ordered this ?

That's aiding and abetting, IMO and is a treasonable offense

15 posted on 10/05/2012 4:27:58 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: DFG

"Use a silencer."

16 posted on 10/05/2012 4:30:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: DFG

Remember: A tired Muslim is a crabby Muslim.


17 posted on 10/05/2012 4:32:55 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: DFG
Okay, then SCREW the locals.

We can and should retreat to our own borders and let these nutballs kill each other off in the Middle East.

I went through a period of trying to eradicate the oockroaches, spiders, snakes, mice, vinegaroons, coyotes, wild dogs, wild cats, etc. around and in my house before I realized the futility and just left them alone.

Guess what? I now have less of those vermin.

18 posted on 10/05/2012 4:34:01 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: DFG
Too loud, no problem:


19 posted on 10/05/2012 4:35:37 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: DFG

This is how to deliberately lose wars and enable terrorists to win, prosper, and grow stronger and stronger, in furtherance of the next Islamic world-wide Caliphate. As such, this is a very clever, and effective, foreign policy.

This is also how to force many patriotic voters who favor letting our troops win their wars... into demanding their with-drawl instead (if our soldiers aren’t permitted to win, or even defend themselves anymore, then for goodness’ sakes what else can any decent human being say but “Bring them home?”). As such, this is a very clever domestic political strategy.

We need to give credit where credit is due, even though we may totally disagree with the direction America is being taken (down down down). Those in charge DO know what they are doing, and they are quite clever at it, too.

Vote in November!


20 posted on 10/05/2012 4:40:22 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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Total outrage.

The administration makes the ROE’s.

Anyone thinks the Taliban hasn’t figured out they are getting a free hand at night.


21 posted on 10/05/2012 4:42:51 PM PDT by Leto
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To: DFG

ROE are classified, I doubt that this is in the ROE. That said, when I was a company commander in Vietnam, I saw a mother and her young child planting a booby trap (IED) around dusk. I had a sniper team with me and the ROE allowed me to engage. I couldn’t do it. I just couldn’t do it.


22 posted on 10/05/2012 4:44:02 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: DFG

One small nuke would only make one bang.

They we could all sleep well.


23 posted on 10/05/2012 4:49:18 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: DFG

Contact the federal highway folks here in the US and tell them that the traffic on the interstate is keeping you awake at night and you want that night traffic stopped. See what happens.


24 posted on 10/05/2012 4:50:08 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DFG

The bureaucratic jerks behind “courageous constraint” should be issued a weapon and sent in harms way to “courageously” defend freedom under their own absurd rules of engagement.


25 posted on 10/05/2012 4:57:08 PM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: DFG

Gee, that’s funny. I’d think they’d sleep better knowing the Taliban won’t be able to coerce them or violate their human rights.

Enema of my enemy


26 posted on 10/05/2012 4:58:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: All


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27 posted on 10/05/2012 5:01:22 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DFG

If victory is truly optional, then you don’t have the right to risk the life of a single soldier. Get them out, and don’t send them back until you are committed to winning.


28 posted on 10/05/2012 5:02:24 PM PDT by marron
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To: tet68

www.earplugstore.com/passive-shooting-ear-muffs.html


29 posted on 10/05/2012 5:10:22 PM PDT by Morris70
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To: DFG

Let’s bring all our guys home, then nuke the place and let the Afghans sleep forever.


30 posted on 10/05/2012 5:12:30 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Morris70

I was thinking they need more compound bows and silencers.


31 posted on 10/05/2012 5:17:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: jazusamo
I believe he'd say fire that bastard Dempsey.

No, he would seek out and shoot the SOB!

32 posted on 10/05/2012 5:22:04 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: DFG
This is not "courageous restraint" -- this is appeasement.

No, this is criminal, or at least it should be! The civilian authorities who put these RoE in place should be criminally charged with "accessory to murder." Because that's exactly what will result. The murder of military personnel.

Mark

33 posted on 10/05/2012 5:27:07 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: DFG

One word: Silencers


34 posted on 10/05/2012 5:27:28 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: DFG

Just one time. One time I would like to see a FKing elected, serving politician out on the gun line weapon in hand, but I never have have and I don’t think anyone ever will. GRRRRRRRR.


35 posted on 10/05/2012 5:27:28 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: tet68
I was thinking they need more compound bows and silencers.

My thoughts exactly . . . and more night-vision gear.

36 posted on 10/05/2012 5:29:36 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Amagi
The reason this is occurring is because the American people decided to go with a novelty act for presidential leadership in 2008. It has nothing to do with Pentagon bureaucracy. All mid-level officers & Pentagon bureaucrats can do is salute and say 'Yes Sir!' Note the UK troops are being forced to be just as stupid.

The actual honest reason this is occurring is due to the feminization of the West. That's being going on at least since the 1960s. It's only now reached critical mass. We may be correcting our "novelty act" presidential leadership in 2012. However the "culture rot" of feminization continues ! Note when I say feminization it does not imply that I disapprove of women in politics. Think Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, others (heck go back to Elizabeth the First! if you want !), these women did not practice a "feminized" foreign or military policy!

37 posted on 10/05/2012 5:29:56 PM PDT by Reily (l)
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To: DFG

If this keeps up, the most powerful military in the world is going to be so demoralized they won’t be an effective fighting force for years to come.

Exactly as intended.


38 posted on 10/05/2012 5:37:15 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: TADSLOS

bttt


39 posted on 10/05/2012 5:42:30 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: DFG

If we don’t teach the locals that there is a price for coddling the enemy, they will succumb to the threats of the enemy, and side with them.

Nothing in War College teaches you to ensure the enemy has a warm place to sleep or a neighborly environment to thrive in.


40 posted on 10/05/2012 5:46:25 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: DFG

I can only hope a Romney administration will untie our troops’ hands and push for victory or just bring them all home.


41 posted on 10/05/2012 5:55:19 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: centurion316
"I couldn’t do it. I just couldn’t do it."

Did you try adjusting your sights?

42 posted on 10/05/2012 6:30:55 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: DFG
Reports indicate U.S. soldiers and British Royal Marines have been urged to show "courageous constraint" by not shooting Taliban members spotted planting IEDs.

The reason? Shooting them might disturb the locals.

HORSESH?T!!!!!

43 posted on 10/05/2012 6:37:47 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: hattend

“One word: Silencers”

Yep. On a .300 AAC Blackout upper, with 147gr subsonic rounds.

All on a 5.56 chassis - a simple changeout. Too easy.

OTOH, if the locals don’t like the “noise”, they should take care of the Tali-bunnys themselves. Joke ‘em...


44 posted on 10/05/2012 6:37:55 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: castlebrew

crossbows....


45 posted on 10/05/2012 6:44:39 PM PDT by DragonMarine (Capitalism works, but it has to be paid for. (From the halls of Montezuma...))
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To: LZ_Bayonet

Very funny, but it’s not a very funny business is it?


46 posted on 10/05/2012 7:02:18 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Signalman

Oh sheesh, why bring up a real American when there are so few left in politics?

It only makes me realize what deep sh*t we are in.


47 posted on 10/05/2012 7:07:09 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: centurion316
" it’s not a very funny business is it?"

No, it sucks big time; which is why I posted what I did.

48 posted on 10/05/2012 7:09:06 PM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: Joe 6-pack
LOL!
49 posted on 10/05/2012 7:09:45 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Signalman
I suspect he would put his ivory gripped pistol to the head of whoever issued these asinine ROEs
and say "Damn the consequences it's the right thing to do!"
50 posted on 10/05/2012 7:18:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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