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Some parents decry new Carroll schools' palm scanner (Scan For Lunch)
The Baltimore Sun ^ | 10/2/12 | Jeremy Bauer-Wolf

Posted on 10/05/2012 6:34:40 PM PDT by RobertClark

Instead of paying for their lunches with crumpled dollar bills and loose change, students in Carroll County schools are having their palms scanned in a new check-out system — raising concerns from some parents that their children's privacy is being violated.

The county is one of the first localities in Maryland to use the PalmSecure system, in which children from kindergarten to 12th grade place their hands above an infrared scanner. It identifies unique palm and vein patterns, and converts the image into an encrypted numeric algorithm that records a sale.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: 1984; bigbrother; lidlesseye; obey; schoollunch; schools
Conditioning the young, perhaps?
1 posted on 10/05/2012 6:34:49 PM PDT by RobertClark
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To: RobertClark

That could eliminate the need for photo ID.


2 posted on 10/05/2012 6:37:11 PM PDT by lightman (Settling for the "lesser of two..." is still choosing Evil)
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To: RobertClark

Let’s just plant a number inside their palm and use that.

Much more secure... (sarc/off)


3 posted on 10/05/2012 6:37:41 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: RobertClark

Oh, hell, no!


4 posted on 10/05/2012 6:38:17 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RobertClark

Chip ‘em, Dano.


5 posted on 10/05/2012 6:39:08 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: RobertClark

If this isn’t a step too far for the American people, we are done.


6 posted on 10/05/2012 6:39:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Congratulations on your big 'win.' Obviously, Romney is a much more capable socialist than Obama.)
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To: RobertClark

These must be one percenter kids.

Real Americans get their lunch for free from the fedgov.....


7 posted on 10/05/2012 6:40:05 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: RobertClark

Privacy? How? Scan a palm?


8 posted on 10/05/2012 6:41:22 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: RobertClark

Holy smokes, this is pretty advanced technology for lunch!

But, you can’t require a photo id to vote?

Give to me a freaking break, as we used to say.


9 posted on 10/05/2012 6:41:22 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: RobertClark

Why not use a system like a debit card? at least the System wouldn’t have the fingerprints of the very young for future reference. Maybe these particular instruments aren’t keeping the fingerprints, but someday the prints will be stored.


10 posted on 10/05/2012 6:42:51 PM PDT by madison10
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To: RobertClark

“Conditioning the young, perhaps? “

Conditioning the young for the Mark of the Beast.


11 posted on 10/05/2012 6:44:26 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RobertClark

scanner could cause cancer later in life.. I would be having a fit


12 posted on 10/05/2012 6:44:59 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Wisconsinlady

Amen!


13 posted on 10/05/2012 6:46:29 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: SkyDancer
Privacy? How? Scan a palm?

It is a privacy issue. More and more databases with identifying information are being created on an almost daily basis. What privacy safeguards are in place to prevent this information from being accessed?

As a DOD contractor, we utilize smartcards containing biometric data (retinal scans, fingerprint scans, and palm scans). Our DMV is requiring prints for DL's now. Before long, this type of identifying info will be used to verify identity in commerce - it is far from a stretch of the imagination. Your computer probably has a fingerprint reader on it - mine does!

14 posted on 10/05/2012 6:50:47 PM PDT by RobertClark (Be prepared, be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: RobertClark

This is probably a covert palmistry project, profiling students according to an estimate of their future. Any other conspiracy theory?


15 posted on 10/05/2012 6:51:43 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: RobertClark
For those reading this, you must realize that Carroll County is considered "out in the country" and relatively conservative compared to most of central Maryland. With that said, a coupla things:

1) I live in this county, and this is the first I've heard of the palm-scanning -- it wasn't something in the local media or brought before the populace outside of the schools involved, that I know of.
2) The principal quoted in this article, Darryl Robbins, was the VP at my kids' elementary school up until last year and I LOVED him.... though yes, he was a "public school guy" thru & thru
3) I've never understood why an on-line pre-pay system wasn't instituted.... it would no doubt be cheaper, easier, and most certainly less intrusive than a palm-scan.

16 posted on 10/05/2012 6:53:35 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: RobertClark

Figures they would kick off the pilot project in Pinellas County Florida, home of Scientology and judicial death warrants for folks who have never been charged with a crime.


17 posted on 10/05/2012 6:55:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Congratulations on your big 'win.' Obviously, Romney is a much more capable socialist than Obama.)
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To: RobertClark

I’m thinking any sort of card reader will have that information. I bet those kids have a library card with all that info on it. So the school has their name, address and stuff. So just put in how much money they have on account and subtract it. They don’t need personal history. I’m thinking that there’s too much hype about ID stuff. You have it in just about everything. So you stop one thing, but there’s so much more about you on all sorts of cards. I think the parents are over reacting.


18 posted on 10/05/2012 6:55:29 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: RobertClark; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

.. for your consideration.


19 posted on 10/05/2012 6:56:28 PM PDT by momtothree
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20 posted on 10/05/2012 7:00:34 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: SkyDancer
I’m thinking any sort of card reader will have that information. I bet those kids have a library card with all that info on it. So the school has their name, address and stuff. So just put in how much money they have on account and subtract it. They don’t need personal history. I’m thinking that there’s too much hype about ID stuff. You have it in just about everything. So you stop one thing, but there’s so much more about you on all sorts of cards. I think the parents are over reacting.

It is not about stopping just one thing. You're right, there is far too much information out there - on almost everyone. I think everyone needs to be aware of who has that information and how it is protected. Just because your library requests the print or scan doesn't mean that they are protecting it. I write code as a hobby and am a white hat hacker - trust me, accessing data is frighteningly easy on far too many networks.

As more and more locations begin to collect this information, the risk grows exponentially. It is not acceptable just because it is becoming commonplace.

21 posted on 10/05/2012 7:02:37 PM PDT by RobertClark (Be prepared, be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: RobertClark

But at that school,they already have all that information in the kids’ records. All they’re doing is tying a scanner to those records. What other ‘invasion of privacy’ are those parents talking about?


22 posted on 10/05/2012 7:06:14 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: RobertClark
It is not acceptable just because it is becoming commonplace.

Bingo. What happens if your biometric data is compromised? You can't get a new palm.
23 posted on 10/05/2012 7:08:44 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: SkyDancer
But at that school,they already have all that information in the kids’ records. All they’re doing is tying a scanner to those records. What other ‘invasion of privacy’ are those parents talking about?

The palm scan itself is the identifying data. The additional information is the scan - in order to be recognized by the system, a scan has to be stored to be later compared by the algorithms that process the scans each day. Why is this difficult to recognize?

25 posted on 10/05/2012 7:11:17 PM PDT by RobertClark (Be prepared, be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: RobertClark

Yeah, Yeah; It’s all fun and games until some poor kid cuts off some rich kid’s hand and uses it to get a free lunch.


26 posted on 10/05/2012 7:16:31 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Girlene
Bingo. What happens if your biometric data is compromised? You can't get a new palm.

I'm glad that you get it - some people just don't. As biometric data is utilized in more and more ways, any access to it is potentially a violation of your privacy. Whether it gives a thief or hacker access to medical records, financial data, or lunch menus, it is a large net that can be pieced together by intelligent criminals and people with less than honorable intentions.

Anyone with a reasonable set of skills can take a fingerprint or palm print and reproduce them using latex, silicon or other materials. Apply that replica to their hands, and boom, now they are you! It's not Sci-Fi or only worthy of a James Bond movie anymore. It is easily accomplished.

27 posted on 10/05/2012 7:17:20 PM PDT by RobertClark (Be prepared, be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: RobertClark

training for slavery

wait until you get scanned again after proving you ate your veggies


28 posted on 10/05/2012 7:22:41 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: RobertClark

The idea that the scan has to have certain information to pass the person being scanned. Somewhere the palm print is on file. How they do that I don’t know but all the scanner is doing is comparing the images.


29 posted on 10/05/2012 7:23:59 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("OF COURSE I TALK TO MYSELF - Sometimes I need an expert opinion")
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To: RobertClark

I dunno... It would take quite a high level skill set to reproduce finger pritnts, palm prints in silicon.

Oh, you meant SiliconE.

Nevermind

;-)


30 posted on 10/05/2012 7:24:26 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: RobertClark

Just before I left teaching in the public school - the cafeteria has moved to a similar system - but using a thumb print. This is not new.


31 posted on 10/05/2012 7:28:47 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: LegendHasIt
I dunno... It would take quite a high level skill set to reproduce finger pritnts, palm prints in silicon.

Oh, you meant SiliconE.

Details, details. Yes, I did mean silicone. Silicon would require a hell of a lot of heat.

Proofreading - maybe I should try it!

32 posted on 10/05/2012 7:31:53 PM PDT by RobertClark (Be prepared, be polite, be professional and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: workerbee

If you can do this on defenseless throw away children, used as lab rats, at the mercy of public schools while unbeknownst to the parents, and in a “conservative” county, we have lost both the country and the next generation.

These grinning, friendly, extroverts running schools are usually popular with parents, while turning our children into rote little Marxists.

Will we ever get this reversed?


33 posted on 10/05/2012 7:38:42 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: RobertClark

Hold the Red Star friendly high in hand. ~N Peart


34 posted on 10/05/2012 7:40:57 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: rawcatslyentist

why don’t we just tatoo a bar code on them. as i gert older i become less enthralled with technology and i am a technical illustrator.


35 posted on 10/05/2012 9:32:12 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (if the little things really annoy you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: lightman
Wanna' bet that this info will wind up in the hands of law enforcement: It'll be "for the children" you know, under the guise of "quickly identifying lost children" or some such rubbish.

Suprised they haven't gotten samples of all the kid's DNA yet through the school nurse under some pretense.

The Kenyan must go.

36 posted on 10/06/2012 7:58:41 AM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: RobertClark; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ..

Maryland “Freak Surveillance State” PING!


37 posted on 10/06/2012 3:04:26 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Wow. We used to live in Carroll County. I'm really surprised that Carroll is the first.
38 posted on 10/06/2012 3:08:47 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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39 posted on 10/06/2012 3:09:32 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: RedMDer
not to me...there's a pet judge in Carroll County signing search warrants on stale data for the MSP firearms unit that is targeting all the 'red' counties...especially western maryland (by using ammunition purchase data from WalMart to obtain search warrants for anyone that purchases ammo but has a criminal record and using the supposition that they must be in possession of a weapon if they are purchasing ammunition)

OweMalley and the rest of the statists know who everyone is in the blue counties...they need to be able to put the boot down hard on the red ones this is evidence that they are implementing long term and short term strategies for their total control agenda

40 posted on 10/06/2012 3:19:52 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: Abundy

I don’t think that would get implemented in Baltimore County without a huge fight and it would be a very public fight.
That’s why I’m surprised. Not hearing about that until after implementation. Maybe because the county is not self governing with a County Exec but governed by Annapolis.


41 posted on 10/06/2012 3:31:41 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: GeronL

You nailed it.

Amidst all this haggling about whether it’s really a privacy issue, not 1 mention of:

“what business is it of them who buys what food?”

After all, look how Mooshelle is berating us all about food, schools are trying to (waste) force vegetables on kids, and Bloomberg is banning various foods.

Wouldn’t it be nice if they knew just what we were buying so we could be taxed/fined/jailed for it?


42 posted on 10/06/2012 5:48:38 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yep.

Imagined being scanned at the register and then scanned again at the trash can to determine whether you ate your veggies.

I think that is exactly where its going.


43 posted on 10/06/2012 5:55:36 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: CondorFlight
Let’s just plant a number inside their palm and use that. Much more secure... (sarc/off)

That's just what this system is. "It identifies unique palm and vein patterns, and converts the image into an encrypted numeric algorithm". Your vein pattern IS TURNED INTO a number by which you are identified and approved for buying.

An alternate is an iris scan (close enough to your forehead), or maybe an EEG scan for your unique brainwaves.

44 posted on 10/06/2012 6:09:10 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: CondorFlight

A tatoo on the inside of the fore arm would be cheaper.

Is this fightening or what?


45 posted on 10/07/2012 4:49:01 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Near term Obamacare 'Unit")
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To: Abundy
...there's a pet judge in Carroll County signing search warrants...

What is the name of this judge. His/her identity needs to be made known so he/she can be voted out.

46 posted on 10/07/2012 6:13:32 AM PDT by foxfield
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To: RobertClark

They should be scanning the food to find out what Big Ag and Food Inc are putting in it!


47 posted on 10/07/2012 6:16:18 AM PDT by foxfield
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To: foxfield

my intel didn’t go that deep, but I’m working on getting the name


48 posted on 10/07/2012 7:18:08 AM PDT by Abundy
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