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Military Employed For Crowd Control At College Football Game
Oath Keepers ^ | October 4th, 2012 | Brandon Turbeville

Posted on 10/06/2012 10:40:19 AM PDT by Snuph

In yet another example of the blurring of the lines between civilian police and US military forces, Columbia, South Carolina police “officials” have announced that US Military Police from Ft. Jackson will be on the streets alongside civilian law enforcement after the South Carolina-Georgia football game this Saturday night, October 6. According to reports by WISTV, Columbia will be spending more than $11,000 worth of overtime for 50 officers who will be placed in the Five Points and Vista areas after the game. The teams will be made up of University of South Carolina Campus Police, Richland County Sheriff’s Deputies, the South Carolina Highway Patrol, and Military Police from Ft. Jackson. The plan will involve barricades, surveillance cameras, DUI checkpoints, and even observation towers “to keep the crowd under control.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: nikkihaley; policestate
Yes it is against the law. But then again, since when have the law applied to the rulers? Time is short.
1 posted on 10/06/2012 10:40:26 AM PDT by Snuph
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To: Snuph

Time is short indeed


2 posted on 10/06/2012 10:41:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

ping!


3 posted on 10/06/2012 10:44:34 AM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Snuph

Now that’s scarey. How does the military decide who’s the bad guy??


4 posted on 10/06/2012 10:46:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: Snuph
I suspect you are thinking of the "posse comitatus" act, much beloved by freepers. The act does not prohibit use of Army troops for domestic law enforcement, if authorized by Congress. Laws passed since 9/11 make these issues more ambiguous. I recall flying soon enough after 9/11 to see active duty troops at the airport. No one complained about violation of the law then.

If the MP's are just standing by in case a soldier needs to be taken into custody, which appears from the article to be the enabling mission explanation, it is doubtful that that would violate the law.

btw, little known, Marines are not covered under posse comitatus, nor are National Guard units.

5 posted on 10/06/2012 11:00:03 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Snuph

I’m feeling so much safer now. How about you?


6 posted on 10/06/2012 11:04:00 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Incorrect. From the article:

Unfortunately, the placement of military soldiers in civilian law enforcement capacity is not only a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, it is now an increasingly common occurrence.

Just a few years ago a mass murder happened in Alabama involving multiple crime scenes. The sheriff having only 1 deputy asking for help from the local military base to secure the sights. Later it was ruled by the courts to have been an illegal act.

7 posted on 10/06/2012 11:05:36 AM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: hinckley buzzard

You’re comparing post 9-11 with a college football game??


8 posted on 10/06/2012 11:07:44 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Snuph

I believe that Posse Comitatus does not apply to the USMC and it MIGHT not apply to the USAF.


9 posted on 10/06/2012 11:09:46 AM PDT by gaijin (Er)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Great response. No one said anything when my Marine battalion (2nd Bn 9th Marines) went into L.A. during the Rodney King riots. Between us and the National Guard, the B.S. stopped instantly. At no time did the military TAKE OVER civilian control: we were asked for by the Governor.

Posse Comitatus is not absolute, and there are benefits on both sides of the limiting factors in its use.

10 posted on 10/06/2012 11:11:39 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
btw, little known, Marines are not covered under posse comitatus, nor are National Guard units.

Courts have ruled otherwise. The National Guard is now part of the US Military. They no longer report to the Governor of their state.

11 posted on 10/06/2012 11:12:03 AM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: Salvavida

Hinkley is correct, it does not apply to the Marine Corps


12 posted on 10/06/2012 11:15:05 AM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: Snuph

I’m not sure of the reason for this...are they giving out Section 8 housing vouchers at the game?


13 posted on 10/06/2012 11:16:35 AM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Snuph; All

Interesting they are putting the MPs in Five Points area..where there has been a problem with Black Racist Thugs attacking Whites. Wonder if they are there to protect Obama’s Children?


14 posted on 10/06/2012 11:16:50 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: Snuph

So, this is how it begins. Today, football games. Tomorrow, our neighborhoods.


15 posted on 10/06/2012 11:21:43 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Snuph

Military police have no civilian jurisdiction. Any arrests of civilians by military personnel not within the precincts of a US military compound would be weightless, and the arrestee could sue prosecute for wrongful detention.


16 posted on 10/06/2012 11:25:24 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Snuph

Military police have no civilian jurisdiction. Any arrests of civilians by military personnel not within the precincts of a US military compound would be weightless, and the arrestee could prosecute for wrongful detention.


17 posted on 10/06/2012 11:25:41 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Snuph

No, but there is a DoD regulation that prevents the Marine Corps and Navy from being used without civilian authority. The Marine Corps cannot be used willy-nilly just because it isn’t mentioned in the Posse Comitatus Act.


18 posted on 10/06/2012 11:27:54 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: bgill
Remember the “exercises” in St Louis just last year?
19 posted on 10/06/2012 11:28:34 AM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: Snuph

ROE apply, right? They can’t shoot students at night because it might wake people up?


20 posted on 10/06/2012 11:32:40 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Salvavida

Posse Comitatus is not absolute, and there are benefits on both sides of the limiting factors in its use.


Yeah, the military which occupied New Orleans are very famous for illegaly disarming the Americans there. Loved that take down of the seventy some old lady in her house.

Which is the point I want to make. Americans have a lot of respect for the military which is why they spend so much money to keep it strong and volunteer to serve in it. As soon as the military becomes misused by local, state or federal politicans as a domestic police/occupying force, that will be the end of the military’s support.

The military should resist taking on a domestic personna and role except in extreme emergency. The military evacuating the idiots stuck in the arena during the storm was a great domestic use of the military. Them occupying New Orleans was a disaster for the military’s reputation.


21 posted on 10/06/2012 11:39:10 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Snuph

This in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.


22 posted on 10/06/2012 11:40:21 AM PDT by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Snuph

I’m not sure what’s worse - the desensitization to the presence of military in civilian law enforcement duties, or FReepers supporting it.


23 posted on 10/06/2012 11:45:07 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Snuph
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/06/us-military-to-run-urban-exercises-in-north-st-louis-residents-hope-it-will-cut-down-on-crime/ St. Louis Police say you shouldn’t be frightened if you see Army vehicles in the city

Sounds very much like McLame's promise that we shouldn't be scared of an Obama presidency. Look how that turned out.

24 posted on 10/06/2012 11:45:44 AM PDT by bgill
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To: andyk

agreed


25 posted on 10/06/2012 11:47:46 AM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: Snuph

there are a lot of military installations within driving distance.

I would guess that there will be a lot of servicemen attending sporting events in that area.

So long as the MP’s stick to their duty, it will be legal.


26 posted on 10/06/2012 12:01:17 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: SaraJohnson
No argument. However, I'm sad to point out that people get the government that they deserve. There is no protection if civilian authorities are ignorant or evil. The U.S. military isn't going to spend its money on curriculum to teach its limitations......if they are not mandated to do so (also coming from elected officials). I had a friendly debate here on FR with a former JAG, and he couldn't understand that even though all military folks take an Oath to defend the Constitution: THERE IS NO CURRICULUM OF PROFESSIONAL MILITARY EDUCATION (PME) on how to do so in practical terms. None. Zero. Nada.

In conclusion, Katrina exposed what is missing, and it is up to the electorate to choose people that will through due dilligence, ensure that all parties are within Constitutional and US Law boundaries: and they are trained to do so. Good discussion.

27 posted on 10/06/2012 12:03:58 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Almost all the troops at the airports post 9-11, especially anyone actually empowered to do something about a threat, were National Guard in a Title 32 status.


28 posted on 10/06/2012 12:07:27 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Snuph

I would do it. Of course South Carolina needs to win! ;^)


29 posted on 10/06/2012 12:24:40 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Snuph

Clear violation of Posse Comitatus.


30 posted on 10/06/2012 1:04:00 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Snuph

kinda changed awile ago...http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/375

enough wiggle room to drive a semi thru


31 posted on 10/06/2012 1:05:34 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: Snuph

kinda changed awhile ago...http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/375

enough wiggle room to drive a semi thru


32 posted on 10/06/2012 1:06:22 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Now that’s scarey. How does the military decide who’s the bad guy??”

Anyone who’s not dressed like them.


33 posted on 10/06/2012 1:09:51 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Agreed ! ~ “ Clear violation of Posse Comitatus. “

We are becomming desensitized tomilitary and para-military organizations .
Incremental over-reach , and desensitizing.


34 posted on 10/06/2012 1:26:23 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (An armed society .. is a polite society !)
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To: onedoug

ping


35 posted on 10/06/2012 1:26:43 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: Snuph

Considering troops are under the UCMJ and not under civilian laws this is a very dangerous situation.


36 posted on 10/06/2012 1:36:06 PM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: Snuph
It's not illegal for MP's to patrol the streets so long as their exclusive interest is in policing active duty soldiers.

I was assigned to patrol the streets of a small town outside a military post in California back in the 60's. In Germany, we patrolled the streets, again only focusing on military personnel. But that was West Germany a long time ago.

37 posted on 10/06/2012 2:20:16 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: oneolcop

True, but not what is happening here.


38 posted on 10/06/2012 2:23:00 PM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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