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Costa Mesa Mayor Proposes To Shut Down Soup Kitchens To Deal With Homeless Problem
CBS Local ^ | 10/5/2012 | Staff

Posted on 10/06/2012 11:20:24 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen

COSTA MESA (CBSLA.com) — The mayor of Costa Mesa proposed to get rid of soup kitchens to deal with the area’s homeless problem at a city council meeting on Tuesday.

“My belief is that if we manage to put the soup kitchen out of business that will go a long way to addressing the attractiveness in our city that’s creating a huge negative impact,” Eric Bever said.

According to Bever, the “negative impact” is homeless people who like Costa Mesa because of services that offer food to less fortunate individuals.

Clients at Someone Cares Soup Kitchen and the non-profit Share Our Selves were stunned by the controversial comments.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; charity; conservatism; faith
This is the eventual result of the Church and citizens ceding their authority and responsibility to provide charity themselves directly and allowing the civil government to usurp such authority and responsibility.

Once people allow themselves to depend on a secular government for sustenance, it becomes their master and they it's slave. And what a cruel master is such a government that would have it's citizens begging it for sustenance; it provides and withholds according to the whims of politics.

1 posted on 10/06/2012 11:20:32 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen
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To: PieterCasparzen

There is one thing here that surprised me.

I have not seen the phrase “homeless problem” in the MSM since Jan 09.

Along with “McJobs” and “Recovery for Wall $treet but not Main Street”.


2 posted on 10/06/2012 11:23:21 AM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: PieterCasparzen

“Clients at Someone Cares Soup Kitchen and the non-profit Share Our Selves were stunned by the controversial comments.”

Looks like some beebers were stuned!


3 posted on 10/06/2012 11:23:51 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

But their line is and has been for decades:

We support the little people because we care!

Will enough wake to the reality in time?


4 posted on 10/06/2012 11:26:16 AM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: PieterCasparzen

Starving them out of town will work. Send them to San Fransicko or Berkeley. Taking the Church out of helping the poor is almost a liberal mantra. Liberals have had a war on God for quite some time. Obama amplifies it.


5 posted on 10/06/2012 11:28:45 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Well stated. Few people really understand this today and measure their contribution to the poor by the yardstick of how much money government takes from individuals.

Excessive confiscatory taxes are a sin against charity because they leave the charitable with less for genuine charity AND because it prevents the recipients of charity from expressing their thanks and gratitude.

All of this is to say nothing of the outrageous proportion of forced taxes that inefficient government assigns to overhead.

It's nice to see someone else who understands this problem from the side of true charity. Good post.

6 posted on 10/06/2012 11:36:25 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: PieterCasparzen

This is the civil authority wanting to prevent a private charity from serving the homeless. The civil authority wants to export the problem to someone else’s community. That is their way of solving the problem.


7 posted on 10/06/2012 11:40:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: nascarnation

the homeless are not a problem when a good Democrat is president.

They are only a problem when an evil Republican is president.

Or, look at another way, the liberals in the MSM ignore homelessness when a good Democrat is in the White House.


8 posted on 10/06/2012 11:40:30 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: eyedigress

I was in SF in 1965 and 2005, the difference hookers and winos (Homeless), Kali is a strange place.


9 posted on 10/06/2012 11:44:32 AM PDT by Little Bill
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To: PieterCasparzen

Gooberment has finally found the solution to poverty. Outlaw it!


10 posted on 10/06/2012 12:04:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: PieterCasparzen

Want to reduce homelessness?

Change your housing policies, so that affordable housing can become available once again. (When a liberal says “affordable housing” it means make Whitey pay someone else’s rent.) Make jobs available to men once again. Stop dumping people out of “group homes” onto the street. In other words, stop being liberal.


11 posted on 10/06/2012 12:05:53 PM PDT by I want the USA back
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This mayor is all wrong, I can walk two blocks from my house (Huntington Beach) and be in Costa Mesa. The city is 50% illegal aliens living in apartments, so Costa Mesa,CA is frequently on the national radar for its City Gov. which is actually tired of that particular illegal problem.

As to the number of homeless its in a part of the city I hardly take notice of,although I am adjacent to the wetlands where many of the homeless snooze/camp at night and frequently spy out some of these who are inadequately clothed or sometimes need an alcoholic beverage...its an act of humanity for some of these snaggled tooth people who even if they cleaned up , would not be presentable or healthy fair to an employer.

I can see the Mayor wanting to restrict the # of soup kitchens and aid establishments within the city or certain districts. But this is not that!


12 posted on 10/06/2012 12:31:25 PM PDT by RBStealth
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To: eyedigress

Most of the people who go to soup kitchens are low income seniors unless they are located in areas like skid row. Some are the homeless but they are the minority. That’s true of the charity my wife works for with its 25+ feeding sites and 13 food pantries 4 senior centers Meals on Wheels and Meals for the Homebound. Some of those programs are limited to seniors only per the grants but most aren’t.


13 posted on 10/06/2012 12:31:32 PM PDT by airedale
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I really began to see the light when I was a senior in college and got in a little trouble for glug-glug-vroom-vroom. I was ordered to do some community service, and it was suggested that the soup kitchens in downtown Seattle always needed help and had good flexible hours. At the time I had 18 credits of full 400 level engineering, and I worked part time, and I already donated plasma for extra beer money, so I already had a full schedule. While working at the soup kitchen, I did your basic work...cleaning, moving boxes, separating bad or unusable food, etc, whatever needed done. I was just stunned as I watched hordes of people shamble in several times a day, eat up, leave a mess, and leave. To this day, I wonder to myself, why none of the people who used this service everyday contributed even the tiniest bit to its operation...it’s not like they had anything to do all day...in my mind an operation like that should never be desperate for volunteers.


14 posted on 10/06/2012 12:36:05 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: airedale

I congratulate you and your wife for helping the poor. It is a complicated problem and for Costa Mesa to say “shut it off” is very cold. Liberals cannot be allowed to pass off a problem they created.

Poverty by percentage is higher now than in 1965. The “War on Poverty” was declared then. We have spent trillions of dollars to no avail. The Liberals own it. They try to remove God at every corner and cannot fathom why they have no success. I do care about the poor, more than Capitol Hill, but they are driving private charity out. Why.......

Simple...Control


15 posted on 10/06/2012 1:06:50 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Vlad the Impaler is said to have a similar approach toward poverty during his reign. He invited all the beggars and amputees to a grand feast at the local church, then locked the doors on them and burned the church to the ground.
16 posted on 10/06/2012 1:10:40 PM PDT by Kenton (Happiness is watching MSNBC's meltdown after the first Presidential debate.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The civil authority wants to export the problem to someone else’s community...”

Not only are we running out of other people’s money, we are running out of other people’s communities.


17 posted on 10/06/2012 2:03:59 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: dsrtsage
"...in my mind an operation like that should never be desperate for volunteers."

I knew a guy who said that the only reason he volunteered two hours, five days a week was because they let him take food home from there. He said 80% of his food came from there.(He wasn't poor, just cheap)

18 posted on 10/06/2012 2:33:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: PieterCasparzen

we have a soup kitchen here in Warsaw that I help out at — but it’s completely Church run and paid for, no government help at all. And the monks that run it are strict — you come to the soup kitchen line and smell of alcohol, no soup for you.


19 posted on 10/06/2012 2:33:57 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Grams A
LOL

I'll never forget watching a load of Seattle snowbirds deplaning in Phoenix many of whom looked a little lost. Sure enough they had been rounded up by the Seattle police who put $200 in their pockets and promised them a place to warm up. I don't know if Phoenix had a reciprocating policy.

20 posted on 10/06/2012 2:40:01 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Grams A

If this idea should accomplish it’s goal in Costa Mesa how about trying it on a national level.


21 posted on 10/06/2012 2:55:22 PM PDT by Longtooth
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To: Longtooth

I do dog adoption events in Costa Mesa and I can tell you the soup kitchens are drawing undesirables in that city.


22 posted on 10/06/2012 5:31:10 PM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: PieterCasparzen
This is the eventual result of the Church and citizens ceding their authority and responsibility to provide charity themselves directly and allowing the civil government to usurp such authority and responsibility.

Absolutely correct.

Once people allow themselves to depend on a secular government for sustenance, it becomes their master and they it's slave. And what a cruel master is such a government that would have it's citizens begging it for sustenance; it provides and withholds according to the whims of politics.

Not quite. They become beholden to the agenda of the people who control the politicians.

When the Constitution was written, it was unthinkable that any government should be empowered to redistribute wealth. James Madison himself once said,

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Charity and benevolence were to be the exclusive province of the people and the SOLE means of dispensing public welfare. Churches and civic organizations were the principal means.

The biggest distinction between government welfare and private charity is clear: most of the “middle-men” in private charity are volunteers. The second important aspect of voluntary benevolence isn’t so obvious: Those on the receiving end have to ask for help, and possibly modify their behavior to get it.

That’s motivation in action. It builds a wealthier society. Lest anyone think that charity alone is inadequate, considering the alternative of a police empowered welfare state that causes the problems it is supposed to solve, should be enough to convince them otherwise.

23 posted on 10/06/2012 7:47:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: PieterCasparzen; Morgana

bump

Just don’t subsidize them if you don’t like it.

Oh wait, they probably don’t


24 posted on 10/06/2012 7:52:04 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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