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Expectations run high for Biden-Ryan debate
Washington Post ^ | October 6, 2012 | Felicia Sonmez

Posted on 10/07/2012 5:09:04 AM PDT by Zakeet

Vice President Biden, a man with nearly four decades of experience in politics, has not been taking lightly his preparations for his debate against Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), holding practice sessions and perusing briefing books in recent months.

Now, in the wake of President Obama’s widely panned performance last week in his first debate against Mitt Romney, the stakes for Biden are suddenly higher than ever. In the Oct. 11 vice-presidential debate he must not only avoid making any gaffes but also try to puncture his Republican opponent’s arguments on taxes, entitlement reform and deficit reduction, something Obama was criticized for failing to do last week.

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One point on which both sides appear to agree is that Biden is likely to be more aggressive in his face-off against Ryan than Obama was debating Romney.

Speaking with reporters last Thursday before a Cedar Rapids, Iowa, rally at which he sharply criticized both Romney and Ryan, Biden previewed the debate by noting that he’s been “studying up on Congressman Ryan’s positions on the issues.”

“I just want to make sure that when I say these things, I don’t have the congressman — ‘No no no, I don’t have that position,’ or, ‘That’s not the governor’s position,’ ” Biden said. “So, it’s mainly getting the factual predicates for everything that — not everything, but the key issues on which Governor Romney has spoken and Congressman Ryan has.”

Ryan, for his part, said that he believes Biden will be an aggressive opponent. “I expect the vice president to come at me like a cannonball,” Ryan told the conservative Weekly Standard Thursday night. “He’ll be in full attack mode, and I don’t think he’ll let any inconvenient facts get in his way.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012election; biden; debate; ryan

Ryan better watch out ... cause my Rat handlers let me out of the attic ... just so that I can come after him like a cannonball!

1 posted on 10/07/2012 5:09:14 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

It’s going to be a slaughter. They might as well set up cameras in front of a butchers window while a cow is laid out cut up with a band saw.


2 posted on 10/07/2012 5:12:42 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: Zakeet

I don’t know if I can even conceptualize Biden “perusing”...


3 posted on 10/07/2012 5:14:57 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Zakeet

Popcorn shortage coming.


4 posted on 10/07/2012 5:22:21 AM PDT by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: Zakeet

When Biden was made into mincemeat four years ago, the press covered for him.


5 posted on 10/07/2012 5:23:27 AM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Hardraade
I don’t know if I can even conceptualize Biden “perusing”...

Peruse - a four letter word Biden knows well. "What is Peru's GDP?"

6 posted on 10/07/2012 5:23:59 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: samtheman

It’s going to be a slaughter. They might as well set up cameras in front of a butchers window while a cow is laid out cut up with a band saw.


No, it won’t. Just ask Palin. Ryan better not be overconfident.


7 posted on 10/07/2012 5:29:33 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Zakeet

I look for Biden to be throwing out all kinds of “statistics” like percentages of this and $trillions of that...stuff you can’t confirm or deny for the audience in a live debate with much accuracy.

He’ll think he’s making himself look like he’s gotten every memo that’s gone out and he does have to pick up the slack for Obama but it’ll all be bullsh*t ‘cause that’s all they’ve got.


8 posted on 10/07/2012 5:29:58 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Zakeet

“I know Congressman Ryan considers the vice president a friend.”...First, and worst, mistake.


9 posted on 10/07/2012 5:30:10 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Zakeet
B. Hussein, your worries are over. Slow Joe is here to save the day!


10 posted on 10/07/2012 5:33:23 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: Zakeet

If Biden’s handlers want him to make a good impression, they should not have him pull up to the debate in his normal security caravan - the short yellow school bus.

They should also ensure that the idiot removes his self-protective helmet before going on stage.

My personal thoughts are that when the “Hair Club for Men” technician put in his plugs, they bored out the plug-hole a little too deeply.


11 posted on 10/07/2012 5:35:04 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: chessplayer

I am confident it’s going to be a slaughter because I am confident that Ryan will not be over-confident. Ryan will prepare properly. A properly prepared Ryan can’t lose to Biden. Unless Biden pulls out a gun and shoots Ryan. But even then, Biden doesn’t really win the debate, does he?


12 posted on 10/07/2012 5:35:19 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: Zakeet
WATCH FOR THE BIDEN EYE TAPE!
Lol I still have this pic from 2008..

13 posted on 10/07/2012 5:36:10 AM PDT by wolficatZ ("We are no longer accepting comments on this article")
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To: Zakeet

Mr. Magoo versus Captain America


14 posted on 10/07/2012 5:44:26 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (We were the tea party before there was a tea party. - Jim Robinson)
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To: equaviator

That’s exactly what he did to Palin. He threw so much crap at her, she looked out of her league even though a lot of the stuff Biden said was in accurate.


15 posted on 10/07/2012 5:45:17 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (Nancy Pelosi.... Botoxevik.)
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To: Zakeet
Vice President Biden, a man with nearly four decades of experience in politics making gaffes...
16 posted on 10/07/2012 5:45:40 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: Zakeet

Biden will not disappoint the democrats. He’ll throw out lots of unverifiable statistics and rhetoric.


17 posted on 10/07/2012 5:52:27 AM PDT by MNDude (OWS Movement RIP)
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To: chessplayer
No, it won’t. Just ask Palin. Ryan better not be overconfident

Just what I was thinking. Biden lied over and over again with Sarah and the press repeated those lies up until they were finally proven wrong. But by then most people had only heard the lies.

I also think Biden will go after Ryan as a Romney surrogate, bring up the media-touted 47% and accuse Romney/Ryan of lying about their plan, yada yada.

Be careful, Paul. It's going to be a minefield where you have to call the old kook out on his lies but stay respectful, bring up their record but give people hope. Don't let evil triumph like they did four years ago.

18 posted on 10/07/2012 5:53:02 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: samtheman
I am confident it’s going to be a slaughter because I am confident that Ryan will not be over-confident. Ryan will prepare properly. A properly prepared Ryan can’t lose to Biden. Unless Biden pulls out a gun and shoots Ryan. But even then, Biden doesn’t really win the debate, does he?
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I really don't think it will be a slaughter. Biden is a complete liar. In fact, he just completely makes stuff up, and he won't back down like Obama did.

Ryan is very quick on his feet, but it won't be easy debating someone that has no off button and won't let the facts get in the way.

19 posted on 10/07/2012 5:53:10 AM PDT by kara37
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To: kara37

But Ryan has vast experience debating these people. He’s been in the House for 12 years. That’s a long time for somebody of his high intelligence to understand what it takes to debate the Liars on the other side.


20 posted on 10/07/2012 5:56:23 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: Zakeet
I was just looking for photos to show off the Joe I've known since Cspan began. Google has carefully chosen his pics. All of them, even the quirky ones, have full head of hair. For years and years his hair was like his brain. And there are no pics that come close to depicting his condescending arrogance that comes from a wrongfully crowned retard that drives people to brain aneurysms. What's up with that?
21 posted on 10/07/2012 6:00:19 AM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: Zakeet
Watch Biden-Palin-2008 again. Bumbling Joe didn't make any major mistakes, didn't lose his cool, and stayed on the Dem talking points. My guess is that he will do that again, and the Left will LOVE his performance, and it'll be far easier for the media to spin as a close match than Obama's debacle was. Sure, WE are likely to crow about a major victory for Ryan, but it won't change many undecided voters without the MSM or nightly comedians backing that up.

The biggest mistake that Biden could make would be to answer Ryan's challenges directly... and if anyone can bury their head and stay on talking points as if there's nothing else to bother mentioning, it's Bumbling Joe.

(But, if he strays off-message, or engages in direct answers to Ryan, then his chances for a major gaffe rise exponentially.)

22 posted on 10/07/2012 6:00:33 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Zakeet

So they want Biden to come off as the smart one on the ticket. I’m sure that will help Obama with the undecideds.


23 posted on 10/07/2012 6:06:37 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: kara37
All Ryan has to do is stay calm and smile as he repeats a couple Bidenisms and slow Joe fly into a rage.

By the time the debate is over nobody watching would trust maniac Joe around the red button.

24 posted on 10/07/2012 6:21:15 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: samtheman

The VP debate could go for each man—it will be Good Theater! Paul better be ready—Joe isn’t a push over. Be ready for well crafted Zingers from the Democrat. I could see Joe winning this one—The Media will be in his corner.


25 posted on 10/07/2012 6:25:15 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Zakeet

The Biden-Palin debate was a draw if I recall. I was not overwhelmed by either side of the debate. People keep saying bin Biden is going to be a pushover. I think that’s a very dangerous attitude. Ask governor Palin.


26 posted on 10/07/2012 6:28:29 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Kenny

Hopefully Ryan is practicing like that. His fake opponent should be throwing lies at him repeatedly, so that he can quickly get to a “there you go again, tossing out les we can’t disprove at this setting” and then staying on offense.

As long as Ryan never takes the bait, he can win or tie. Never defend yourself. Just throw a true fact about the admin back at Biden. It will look like a game of the elevenses, but its better than defending each one of biden’s lies.

“Your running mate wants to lower taxes only on the rich”

“Well, your running mate wants to slow the economy even further...”

“Your running mate wears ballet slippers!”

“Well, your running mate taught my running mate how!”


27 posted on 10/07/2012 6:32:38 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: All

I expect it to be Joe Biden using his “skills” to talk around an issue and filibuster while Ryan tries to explain things and offer honest answers.


28 posted on 10/07/2012 6:34:12 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: kara37
All Ryan has to do is stay calm and smile as he repeats a couple Bidenisms and slow Joe fly into a rage.

By the time the debate is over nobody watching would trust maniac Joe around the red button.

29 posted on 10/07/2012 7:02:46 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Kenny

He will too. Biden’s m.o. is throw it at the wall till something sticks. Ryan needs to back him in the corner and contradict him with something real world, something that Biden can’t squirm out of.

Fortunately Ryan is smart enough to do just that. He’s also been in Congress for 12 years, so he’s not exactly a greenhorn.


30 posted on 10/07/2012 7:09:40 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: MNDude

Biden has already been proclaimed the debate winner. People in DE wouldn’t have it any other way. Ryan won’t know what struck him.


31 posted on 10/07/2012 7:12:10 AM PDT by Theodore R. (`)
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To: Zakeet
“(Biden will) be in full attack mode, and I don’t think he’ll let any inconvenient facts get in his way.”

Biden lied during the entire debate will Palin. I'm sure he'll do the same with Ryan. Let's hope that Ryan calls him out on it.

32 posted on 10/07/2012 7:12:39 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (I'm no racist!! I just hate white folks!!! - BHO 2007)
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To: Zakeet
expectations run high on the Ryan side, on the Biden side, not so much...
33 posted on 10/07/2012 7:14:41 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: chessplayer

Absolutely! Do NOT be over confident.

ASAIK, Biden has been acting the dunce just to set his opponent up for the debate.

I’ve often thought that a lot of Biden’s actions are planned to disarm our side..............make us think he’s a goof-off.

Surely no one is that dumb and still in the world spotlight as holding the second highest office in the USA. Something just doesn’t add up.


34 posted on 10/07/2012 7:22:46 AM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: chessplayer
Palin hammered Biden. Biden didn't know the constitutional sections on The VP, Palin did! Biden didn't know the constitutional duties of VP, Palin did! Plugs talked about eating at a restaurant that had closed 10years before the debate! Ryan will win but sill Biden and the PRESS hurt the ticket?
35 posted on 10/07/2012 7:35:44 AM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: Zakeet
Ryan needs to pick up on the theme that Romney started...

Mr. Vice President, It is IMMORAL to burden our children and grandchildren with YOUR CRUSHING debt.

Let me ask you this Joe, would you feel good, if on your dying day, with your loving family standing by...you announce to them...Family, I have no inheritance for you. In fact after I am gone I will ask all of you to pay off my debts.

I know my children will not be able to retire and I know my grandchildren will not afford college. But please remember family, I ran up this enormous debt with good intentions. I was trying to help people. Unfortunately I was trying to help them with your money.

Now Joe, isn't this exactly what you and President Obama are doing to the American family.

36 posted on 10/07/2012 7:43:28 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: basil

Biden IS dumb. And expectations for him are so low that if he doesn’t get lost walking across the stage, the libs will consider it a win.


37 posted on 10/07/2012 8:06:29 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: basil

Biden IS dumb. And expectations for him are so low that if he doesn’t get lost walking across the stage, the libs will consider it a win.


38 posted on 10/07/2012 8:06:30 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Zakeet

Ryan needs to ask biden why the administration is at war with the American people:
-law suit against Arizona
-border patrol agents being undermined and shot
-ambassadors being murdered and left unprotected
-coal industry being persecuted
-military being handcuffed with bad ROE
-largest single aircraft loss since ww2 (8 multi-million dollar aircraft lost)
-persecuting doctors owned hospitals
-killing jobs in the medical device business
I could go on....


39 posted on 10/07/2012 8:16:26 AM PDT by databoss
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U love S Palin, but she doen’t have the command of the details of the Federal government the way Ryan does. If Drunk Joey tries to fabricate Ryan will drill him with the real data.


40 posted on 10/07/2012 9:05:47 AM PDT by Leto
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