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Right to bear arms barely there for landlord ^ | 6 October, 2012 | Kevin Leininger

Posted on 10/07/2012 8:21:06 AM PDT by marktwain

Whatever one thinks of the Second Amendment, this much should be beyond debate: If merely displaying a legal firearm makes a person unfit to carry or own one, the right to keep and bear arms is not worth the parchment it was written on.

Whether the implications are quite that black-and-white in Richard Snider's case is not entirely clear, but the 44-year-old Air Force veteran is convinced he's been victimized by a system that too often protects the guilty at the expense of the innocent – and the facts back him up, at least to a point.

“It took a little time, but I finally realized, 'If they can do this to me they can do it to anyone,' ” said Snider, whose effort to evict a problem tenant led to a confrontation with Fort Wayne Police that cost him his pistol and license to carry it, even though the .45-caliber automatic never left the holster and the department ultimately paid him $3,500 for his trouble.

It wasn't nearly enough, Snider insists, because some things really are far more precious than money.

The story began three years ago when Snider, a contractor who also owns seven

apartments, began efforts to evict Albert J. Smith from a unit on Randall Court for nonpayment of rent. After several heated confrontations and a perceived threat to his safety, Snider did what many other red-blooded Americans have done:

He bought a gun, got a license to carry it and made sure Smith knew it.

Problem solved, right?

Wrong. Snider was working in his shop a few days later when a Fort Wayne Police officer called to ask whether he was armed, then ordered him outside – where Snider was greeted by several officers with guns drawn, “some pointing at my head.”

As even the May 8, 2009 police report admits, Snider was told he could pick up his Springfield Armory pistol later. But after going to department headquarters, which was then on Creighton Avenue, Snider was told the pistol would be sent to Indianapolis for testing. Six week later, Snider said, he was informed the gun would not be returned because of his “propensity for violence.”

So Snider did something else millions of red-blooded Americans do: He made a federal case out of it, arguing in U.S. District Court that several of his constitutional rights had been violated. In May 2011 the city paid him $3,500 to settle the suit, with neither side acknowledging wrongdoing.

But Snider never did get his gun back and, to add injury to insult, the State Police had refused to renew his carry license just four months earlier.

“I served (in the Persian Gulf) for freedom, and this was a slap in the face,” Snider said. “They take your freedom a little at a time and before you know it, 'Whoa!' People just usually say, 'Oh, well,' but when the police overstep, you have to do something.”

Chief Rusty York, of course, sees things differently.

York defended his officers' decision to confiscate Snider's weapon “to protect public safety,” noting that they placed much of the blame for the escalating landlord-tenant hostilities and mutual charges of battery on Snider. “Due to (his) instigation and unpredictable behavior, along with signs of growing aggression, we confiscated his weapon,” a May 8, 2009 report states.

Given that unpredictability and the State Police's revocation of Snider's license, York's department kept the gun to protect the public and avoid any liability that might have come from its misuse had it been returned, York said. Besides, he added, Snider's acceptance of the $3,500 payment require him to give up the $700 weapon, which will be destroyed – part of the reason the money was offered in the first place.

Snider denies he instigated the conflict with Smith and wonders why the police didn't take him into custody if he was so “unstable.” On the other hand, imagine what might have happened had the police not intervened and Snider had used that gun to do more than intimidate.

But does that justify the permanent confiscation of Snider's weapon or denial of his license? York said he couldn't remember a similar case, but I wrote about one just four years ago – which, if not quite a pattern, does at least indicate Snider's experience was not unique.

In the earlier case, Kimmel resident Jim Grimes lost his 9 mm pistol and carry license after firing his weapon to stop another driver from fleeing following a suspicious 2006 traffic accident. Those decisions were never reversed despite Grimes' subsequent acquittal on charges of illegally “pointing a firearm.”

But Snider never fired his weapon under circumstances far less questionable and, in fact, legally bought another just like the one he was deemed unfit to own or carry. As for his judgment, consider this:

When Smith was charged with drug-related crimes in 2011, federal authorities called him “a danger to the community.” The feds also noted his “record of violence” for resisting law enforcement during a previous confrontation.

That was in 2001 – several years before Snider concluded he had reason to fear the same thing. This column is the commentary of the writer and does not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of The News-Sentinel. Email Kevin Leininger at, or call him at 461-8355.

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; in; opencarry; police
I think Mr. Snider may have another lawsuit. I do not think the Indiana police can arbitrarily deny him a permit.

I wonder if this is one of the growing number of cases of "lawfare" where criminals familiar with the system use it to inflict pain on those who thwart their crimes.

We passed a defensive display law in Arizona to prevent this kind of abuse.

1 posted on 10/07/2012 8:21:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

So some cop somewhere now has himself a very nice Springfield Armory 1911. If I was allowed to carry here in the PRC (Peoples Republic of California), it would be a cheap “throw down” pistol.

2 posted on 10/07/2012 9:12:11 AM PDT by GunsAndBibles (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: marktwain

No landlord can EVER rent to ANYONE today without a complete background check & complete credit check.

The tenant protection laws are such that the landlord ends up contributing to the support of the bad tenant when they cannot get the tenant removed.

IF I were to rent to anyone, I would have the tightest legal document I could devise before I even interviewed anyone.

At least here in Nevada, a landlord can get a 3 day- you are out paper from the Sheriff and the Sheriff will help boot the transgressor.

3 posted on 10/07/2012 10:13:32 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: marktwain
So Snider did something else millions of red-blooded Americans do: He made a federal case out of it, arguing in U.S. District Court that several of his constitutional rights had been violated. In May 2011 the city paid him $3,500 to settle the suit, with neither side acknowledging wrongdoing.

It was his choice to accept or reject the terms of the settlement. If he thought it was such a bad deal, Mr. Snnider never should have accepted the settlement.

Unless of course there is more to the story than we're hearing about in this article.

4 posted on 10/07/2012 10:20:07 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: marktwain

A preemptive denial of constitutional rights, without arrest, for what the cops thought he might do? Did they even bother with a warrant to come onto his property?

5 posted on 10/07/2012 11:46:04 AM PDT by beelzepug ("0bama is a feckless crapweasel")
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