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Despite disapproval of Romney's faith, many evangelicals say that won't affect their vote
Chattanooga time free press ^ | 10/7/12 | Clint Cooper

Posted on 10/07/2012 10:09:24 AM PDT by barmag25

Chattanooga-area evangelical church pastors may believe the Mormon faith is a cult and may not consider Gov. Mitt Romney a Christian, but they said that won't stop them from considering a vote for him in next month's presidential election.

More than eight in 10 voters in a Pew Forum poll this summer said they were comfortable with the Republican nominee's faith or it didn't matter to them. Nineteen percent said they were uncomfortable with his faith.

"We are electing a president, not a pastor," said Tim Shoap, co-pastor of Signal Mountain Bible Church. "I want the best and most effective leader we can get, [one] who will represent the interests of the people and the country in keeping with the original intent of the Constitution. For me, that makes the Mormon issue largely irrelevant."

While members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints consider themselves Christians, several local evangelical pastors do not.

"Mormonism is a cult," said Jeremy Roberts, pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church. "Mormons are polytheistic universalists who deny that Jesus is the eternal son of God."

However, he said he would base his vote on "policy, leadership skills and who I perceive will most likely lead the country in the direction I believe is best."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
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1 posted on 10/07/2012 10:09:29 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: barmag25

Well written article. Front page of Times Free Press in Chattanooga Tn. today.


2 posted on 10/07/2012 10:11:19 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: barmag25

I’m just happy that he *has* faith.


3 posted on 10/07/2012 10:11:45 AM PDT by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

Amen!

Our enemies are:

Radical Islam
Communism
Radical Atheism


4 posted on 10/07/2012 10:17:35 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: barmag25

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Obama’s version of Christianity — black liberation theology — is a Marxist re-misinterpretation of Jesus that not only humanizes him but turns him into an entirely political animal, a concept useful only for telling mobs which enemy de jeur into whom to stick their pitch forks.


5 posted on 10/07/2012 10:20:31 AM PDT by Publius Maximus (It was a nice Republic, while it lasted.)
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To: barmag25

I dont know what Clint Cooper thinks an “Evangalical” is but I wonder if he interviewed any Christians ???


6 posted on 10/07/2012 10:20:59 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: barmag25

“Mormonism is a cult,” said Jeremy Roberts, pastor of Highland Park Baptist Church. “Mormons are polytheistic universalists who deny that Jesus is the eternal son of God.”
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Actually mormons deny that the LORD Jesus Christ is God...


7 posted on 10/07/2012 10:23:17 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: barmag25

Here is what my pastor said on this topic:

“I’ve been asked a lot whether an evangelical Christian should vote for a presidential candidate who is a Mormon. Here is my response:

You’re not voting for a pastor or an elder, or a church, you’re voting for a President. If you vote for
Mitt Romney you vote to support someone who will protect the unborn, support marriage (as defined as one woman married to one man), is committed to family, believes in freedom of religion and a strong defense of your country. You are not being asked to vote for Mormonism. If you vote for a Jewish candidate you’re not voting for Judaism.

It’s significant that the current President has said he is an evangelical. Yet, most evangelical Christians find the moral agenda of the current administration conflicts with their cherished Christian values.

The current administration’s disregard for the rights of religious groups to practice their faith in regard to birth control and abortion is alarming. Many see it as a first step to the government legislating what the church may or may not do.

I think of it this way: if I needed heart surgery and was able to choose between a Christian doctor who had lost a lot of patients or a Mormon cardiologist who was successful, —I would choose the successful cardiologist.

I also hear that there are some who have decided not to vote because they don’t like either candidate. We must understand that we will never agree completely with any candidate (unless we were voting for ourselves! LOL). Yet we make a decision based upon which candidate fills most of the values we hold.

You must understand that to choose not to vote IS a choice and is irresponsible in a country where tens of thousands of brave men and women have died to give us and maintain for us, this privilege.

To use eschatology as a reason not to vote is also irresponsible. Yes, we know that the Lord is coming, but we are to pray for open doors to share the Gospel before Jesus returns. An educated vote may keep the doors open for four more years and keep them open for many years to come. The Scriptures also teach us that we should support the nation of Israel and receive God’s blessing. We must prayerfully consider which of the candidates set before us has made a very clear commitment to stand with Israel as she faces the possibility of another holocaust.

I’d also encourage everyone to go to the Center for Arizona Policy and get information of the candidates and ballot propositions: http://azvoterguide.com/

I encourage everyone to become fully informed and seek the Lord’s guidance and wisdom and vote their conscience.”


8 posted on 10/07/2012 10:23:32 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: Tennessee Nana

“I dont know what Clint Cooper thinks an “Evangalical” is but I wonder if he interviewed any Christians ???”


I’ve always been confused about the whole Evangelical thing. I always see that word tossed around, but I rarely hear people identify themselves as such.


9 posted on 10/07/2012 10:23:42 AM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Tennessee Nana

I don’t care what they deny or don’t deny.

Someone else’s belief system is not my business until they start flying planes into buildings.


10 posted on 10/07/2012 10:26:43 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I seriously doubt you know what a Christian is. You certainly haven’t shown any signs of being one.


11 posted on 10/07/2012 10:29:55 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Great response. I might need to use this.


12 posted on 10/07/2012 10:30:27 AM PDT by madison10
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To: ChocChipCookie

Nailed it.


13 posted on 10/07/2012 10:36:14 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: barmag25

Mormon or Muslim? Tough choice. /s


14 posted on 10/07/2012 10:36:44 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: barmag25
I'm not Evangelical, but I'm voting for a CEO and executive director, not Priest. Who would be a better caretaker of the the government the next four years? Who would hire better executive directors?

Moral factors do factor in, but it's more how you live your life and not what your religious beliefs are (although I don't trust Muslims). Who is more trustworthy, or in this case, less untrustworthy?

Personally, I have no problem with Mormons. I don't agree with their religion, but knew a bunch of them in law school and all of them were good people who took care of their families.

15 posted on 10/07/2012 10:37:04 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: chris37

The LORD Jesus Christ who is God said to Chris “Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.” Matthew 10:28


16 posted on 10/07/2012 10:39:45 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: madison10

Praying that God will confuse Obama’s mind in the next two debates. Is Sharia law coming? No Christian will have a right to worship God/Jesus Christ. Read what is happening in various cities in US where Muslims (Obama’s friends) are taking hold.


17 posted on 10/07/2012 10:40:54 AM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: Fresh Wind
Mormon or Muslim? Tough choice. /s

Exactly how I see it. Romney may be half a loaf on some things but Obama is nothing but crumbs.

18 posted on 10/07/2012 10:42:04 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: barmag25

Mormon or Muslim, will take a Mormon everytime


19 posted on 10/07/2012 10:42:09 AM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: italianquaker

I never saw Obama as a muslim. I always felt he was an atheist. His religion like all progressives is his ideology.

IMO the reason progressives side with muslims is that sharia is more compatible with communism. Submission is what they are looking for.


20 posted on 10/07/2012 10:45:33 AM PDT by barmag25
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To: barmag25

His track record (which most ignore) manifestly indicates that Romney is not a social conservative. Regardless of who wins, social conservatives lose. That is the sad state in which we find ourselves today.


21 posted on 10/07/2012 10:49:37 AM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: ChocChipCookie
I encourage everyone to become fully informed and seek the Lord’s guidance and wisdom and vote their conscience.”

I have and my conscience and my Christ "say do not vote for a man who denies Me."

I am fully informed about mormonism, unfortunately, most are not.

22 posted on 10/07/2012 10:52:35 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: chris37; All

Amen...


23 posted on 10/07/2012 10:54:57 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: ChocChipCookie

If you vote for Mitt Romney you vote to support someone who will protect the unborn, support marriage (as defined as one woman married to one man), is committed to family, believes in freedom of religion and a strong defense of your country.
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Oh dear your pastor is wrong in so many of those ...

1. Willard is lifelong pro-abortion
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2. Willard is the father of same sex marrige...(and belongs to a religion that adheres to polygamy for advancement to godhood...)

3. Willard has been proxy to dead dunk non-mormos int oimormonism a religion they probably hated or objected to..

4. Willard used to go to the doors of Christians and tell them they were going to Hell because they were not Mortmons

5 Willard is a 2 time draft dodger..

6.theres no proof he believes inb a strong defense and miliary

7 Willard wants gays in the miitary...thats a dumbing down and weakened defense...


24 posted on 10/07/2012 10:55:01 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: barmag25
a canard pushed by some on this very forum that folks like me...Southern baptist...won't vote for Obama cause he is a Mormon

let me tell all you goofballs here

it ain't happening

that is absolutely the most preposterous claim pushed by the “there can be only one church” bunch here ever

I do not know one Southern Prod out of 100s i know who is taking a stance like that in Mississippi or Tennessee

folks want Obama gone...because they oppose almost every single action he has taken since he took office..and if a Mormon can do that for now so be it

besides...frankly the job Southern baptists have done as POTUS is not much to my liking either...nor Catholics...Carter..Clinton..Kennedy

I'd be just as happy with a conservative Jew or even conservative Rosicrucian or Baha'i...if there are such things

25 posted on 10/07/2012 10:58:20 AM PDT by wardaddy (my wife prays in the tanning bed....guess what region i live in...ya'll?)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Prove it.


26 posted on 10/07/2012 10:58:55 AM PDT by madison10
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To: chris37
Agreed. Couldn't care careless.

Repeal Obamacare, cut spending, and appoint decent justices. Outside of that, Romney can worship snakes for all I care.

27 posted on 10/07/2012 11:01:18 AM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: chris37

Not entirely true 37.
You care what obama denies or doesn’t deny.
You care about what the democrat party denies or doesn’t deny.
Why would you not care what Romney denies or does not deny?
You care deeply what people believe, otherwise you would not care about “plane flying murders”.
The real questions is: does what Romney beleive affect how he lives his life and how he will govern?
The answer is: of course.
What a person believes is their core.
Romney is a practitioner of mormonism, he is at his core, in everything he says and does a mormonism follower.


28 posted on 10/07/2012 11:11:48 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: beandog; Tennessee Nana

Interesting, we have in our presence on FR, the reader of a person’s heart.
I am in awe.


29 posted on 10/07/2012 11:13:28 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: italianquaker

Well if you give credence to Mormonism you should go back to considering Obama...

If Mormonism is a valid religion to you, then Obama is more or equal to Willard...

To temple believing Mormons like Willard Obama is also a Mormon...

Willard has admitted that he stood proxy and was dunked in the temple cow pool to get some dead folk into his religion..

He believes in that process...

If your Christ ian graqndma gets dead dunked into Mormonism years after her death she is a Mormon...

In June 2008 the happy atheist Stanley Ann Dunham was dead dunked into Mormonism, then temple married to Obamas already married father Barak Obama Sr (polygamy is a basic belief of Mormonism) and the recieved every honor and endowment possible ...probably including the coveted “2nd anointing” something both Harry Reid and Willard have..

and then she was “sealed” to her children making them temple Mormons with all those “endowments” too...

So you see we have the first Mormon president already...a black man

the racists Joey Smith and Brigham Young are rolling over in their grves...have been since 2008...

For the Obama family the process was done correctly...so Obama is a Mormon..

Anyhoo only a bigot would say that Obama is not a Mormon...

So its Mormon or Mormon...

Godless or Godless

Faithless or faithless

Liberal or liberal...

Progressive or progressive..

Socialist or socialist..


30 posted on 10/07/2012 11:15:27 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: barmag25

I seriously doubt Romney will wage a WAR ON Catholics or Christians or.. BABIES.


31 posted on 10/07/2012 11:19:11 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: barmag25

Cult-Schmult I could care less. Every Mormon I ever met was clean cut and pleasant. I’ll take Mormons over Marxists any day.

Contrast Obama ex?-druggie, choom gang, pot head, nicotein fiend and coke snorter in his yoof so they say.
Compare to Mitt your standard issue Mormon who is forbidden alcohol, tobacco, caffeine. Mitt looks like he takes none of those. His favorite snack is peanut butter& jelly and a glass of milk.


32 posted on 10/07/2012 11:20:58 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: Tennessee Nana

It is just not possible to explain what our post says to people who know nothing about mormonism but the PR.


33 posted on 10/07/2012 11:21:10 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: dennisw

mormons are not prohibited from having caffeine, they are prohibited from having hot drinks.


34 posted on 10/07/2012 11:22:41 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: wardaddy

Looks like it is up to s Mormon to take out the trash. Mitt is up to the job and nothing wrong with that. It’s not going to happen but if Mitt brings in a Mormon cabal to run DC and maintains a direct pipeline to the Mormon Church Supremo (bishop?) in Salt Lake City, I could care less. Just so long as Jug Ears and his Marxist regime get the boot.


35 posted on 10/07/2012 11:27:10 AM PDT by dennisw (Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
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To: Fresh Wind
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36 posted on 10/07/2012 11:29:43 AM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

ok still voting for Romney over the muslim but thnx


37 posted on 10/07/2012 11:30:13 AM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: svcw

My pastor this morning said that there were 1500 pastors around the country who were going to tell their congregations how to vote and to challenge their tax exemption status...

he said that he was approached about it and he told them he was goiun gto vote his values...God’s values...

and then he told us to vote God’s values...

Good for him...

Yesterday he participated as he does every year in the Walk for Life...

against abortion and to raise money for a local unwed mothers home..

obviously he has done his homework and fouynd out that Willard is life-long pro-abortion...


38 posted on 10/07/2012 11:32:50 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: barmag25

The reason Progressives side with Muslims is because they’re both anti-Christian. I think you’re on to the liberty angle, but following the thread of history and you don’t find liberty growing up out of either philosophy or worldview. Liberty is a uniquely Christian aberration to the history of mankind.

Eliminate the nuisance of the Christian idea and ideals and you go a long way back toward totalitarianism. Furthermore, both Islam and Progressivism are intolerant, elitist, and socialistic. Statists flock together.


39 posted on 10/07/2012 11:36:02 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: dennisw

All true and just think of the millions of tax payer dollars we’re going to save in just the Obama’s lavish vacations alone.

They think we owe it to them!


40 posted on 10/07/2012 11:39:56 AM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: RaisingCain
I always see that word tossed around, but I rarely hear people identify themselves as such.

Perhaps you don't read contemporary Christian or attend a church or choose to be in a place where Evangelicals gather? I seldom hear alcoholics refer to themselves as alcoholics unless they are in a place where alcoholics gather.
41 posted on 10/07/2012 11:42:26 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: madison10

1994 Romney ran for Senator in Massachusetts, attended an abortion fundraiser on June 12th, he and his wife Ann gave money to Planned Parenthood.

2002 Romney campaigned as pro-choice while running for governor of Massachusetts
At the Massachusetts GOP convention in April 2002, Romney said, ‘I respect and will fully protect a woman’s right to choose’.

2005 Romney nominated to the Massachusetts district court, for life, an openly pro-abortion Democrat Matt Nestor.

2006 Romney gave a permanent seat on the health payment policy advisory board to the nation’s leading abortionist, Planned Parenthood.

2007 to present - Romney continues to support stem cell research.

September 5, 2011 - Romney rejects 14th Amendment protection for unborn children.
At the Palmetto Freedom Forum, Mitt Romney was asked if he would support legislation to guarantee fourteenth amendment protection for unborn children. His answer was “That’s not something I would precipitate.”


42 posted on 10/07/2012 11:44:06 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

And I am voting for a president of the nation NOT my pastor. O is a clear and present danger to our nation. He MUST be defeated. We need to get as many conservatives elected to the house and senate as we can each and every time there is an election. WE need to hole their feet to the fire.

As it stands O is dictating by fiat. If reelected thing Hugo Chavez


43 posted on 10/07/2012 11:45:58 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: righttackle44

“Perhaps you don’t read contemporary Christian or attend a church or choose to be in a place where Evangelicals gather? I seldom hear alcoholics refer to themselves as alcoholics unless they are in a place where alcoholics gather.”


I do. In fact, I hang around with Christians who actually go out to street preach. Never heard them refer to themselves as Evangelicals, even as they were evangelizing. I only hear it on TV in reference to politics. Saying ‘Evangelical Christian” should be kind of redundant when you think about it.


44 posted on 10/07/2012 11:47:32 AM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: svcw

Obama believes that even a child born alive should be left to die if the mother intended an abortion. This is the position he championed while senator.

It doesn’t get any worse than this.


45 posted on 10/07/2012 11:48:31 AM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

No social conservatives do not lose if romney is president. What happens is that we then must hold his feet to the fire. At every election possible we MUST work as hard as possible to get other conservatives elected. It is up to US....


46 posted on 10/07/2012 11:49:40 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: beandog

“I seriously doubt you know what a Christian is. You certainly haven’t shown any signs of being one.”


Yeah, because we all know real Christians believe in Republican politics moreso than their God.


47 posted on 10/07/2012 11:49:53 AM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: svcw

so who are you going to vote for? certainly not Gary Johnson who is so libertarian as to be useless.


48 posted on 10/07/2012 11:50:46 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: italianquaker

“Mormon or Muslim, will take a Mormon everytime”


I’ve always found the Mormons to be too passive aggressive and incredibly deceptive. The Muslims I have spoken with, at least over the internet, have threatened to behead me during the End Times. I don’t know about you, but I can respect that honesty.


49 posted on 10/07/2012 11:51:46 AM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: barmag25
Anyone who doesn't vote for the most likely candidate to remove Obama is simply and severely retarded, and a traitor to the USA.

It's just that simple.

50 posted on 10/07/2012 11:52:08 AM PDT by meadsjn
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