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Legislator in Pennsylvania Refuses to Say the Pledge of Allegiance (Because "God" is in it)
Independent Sentinel ^ | 10/05/2012 | Sara Noble

Posted on 10/07/2012 7:11:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It was just a routine House State Government Committee meeting and Chairman Daryl Metcalfe asked Pennsylvania state representative, Babette Josephs, to lead the patriotic pledge. She refused because it has the word “God” in it.

This is what the dingbat said:

“Based on my First Amendment rights and based on the fact that I really think it’s a prayer. I don’t pray in public.” [Inquisitor]

More from the Inquisitor:

Josephs noted after the meeting that Congress chose to insert “under God” into the pledge when she was about 14 years old. The Democratic politician maintains that the additional wording turned the patriotic statement of allegiance into a prayer, WPXI notes.

Babette Josephs had this to say about the incident:

“How many years ago was 1954? I have not said the Pledge of Allegiance since and I will not say it into the future unless they take those words out and make it less of a prayer. Especially if you’re in elective office and you’re invoking the name of God all the time; to me it’s the height of hypocrisy. I will not do it.”

Here’s the video:

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Maybe she has a little dementia. She claimed Daryl Metcalfe was angry but he doesn’t sound angry to me. The voters are very wise to have seen through her pettiness – she lost her primary.

It is her right to not say the pledge but it is hardly a prayer. We’re not praying when we say it, we’re pledging allegiance to our country.

I think she would have had more of a case if she led the Pledge and just left out “under God.”

Secularists want to change our history. This is not simply about wanting to separate church and state to the extreme. Secularists want to banish God from everything and prevent believers from mentioning God. The Founders never intended us to ban God and never mention his name.

Secularists want the United States to become an atheistic society.

 



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: god; nonobabette; pennsylvania; pledge; pledgeofallegiance
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1 posted on 10/07/2012 7:11:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

sorry old hag but God is part of what this country was founded on..maybe you should choose another country..its not your country if you hate it.


2 posted on 10/07/2012 7:13:11 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: SeekAndFind

She probably to keep her story in line, need to refuse all currency handed to her that says IN GOD WE TRUST. If she is a TRUE vegetarian, she won’t eat animal crackers either.


3 posted on 10/07/2012 7:14:05 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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4 posted on 10/07/2012 7:14:35 PM PDT by narses
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To: SeekAndFind

Just don’t say the words “under God” and stop being a drama queen!


5 posted on 10/07/2012 7:14:49 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: SeekAndFind

Ignore God as you wish, Babette.

But, you do so at your own peril, of a certainty.


6 posted on 10/07/2012 7:15:01 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree that she should have recited the pledge without the words “under God”. As an atheist, she should not confirm that this nation is “under God”. But, as an officeholder in this great country, she is obliged to pledge her allegiance to it.


7 posted on 10/07/2012 7:16:15 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree that she should have recited the pledge without the words “under God”. As an atheist, she should not confirm that this nation is “under God”. But, as an officeholder in this great country, she is obliged to pledge her allegiance to it.


8 posted on 10/07/2012 7:16:31 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: dalebert

She, like obama, lacks the moral aptitude to govern or advise anyone on anything.

Another of the prince of fools genre.


9 posted on 10/07/2012 7:17:49 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: fatima; xsmommy; Nowhere Man; South Hawthorne; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; ...

PA Ping!

If you want on/off the PA Ping List, please freepmail me. Thanks!


10 posted on 10/07/2012 7:18:09 PM PDT by randita
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To: SeekAndFind

I will bet if you find a picture of her in the 60s it will answer the nagging question.


11 posted on 10/07/2012 7:25:26 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even my husband....who’s fairly liberal and is a green card holder (legal resident status).....stands (with his hat off) and faces the flag during the national anthem.


12 posted on 10/07/2012 7:27:36 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah. Both the Flag and the Pledge are different then they were when I was born.

Like her, I took the option of getting older.
Getting stupider was an option I chose not to exercise.


13 posted on 10/07/2012 7:28:10 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1356 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ehhhhhh.....she’s stupid. She probably forgot the words.


14 posted on 10/07/2012 7:29:01 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SeekAndFind

So it was OK to change history when Under God was added in the 50s?


15 posted on 10/07/2012 7:29:22 PM PDT by arbitrary.squid
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To: SeekAndFind

Josephs lost her primary in April and only has a few session days left in her 28-year career as a lawmaker.

So she’s OUT,and God is still IN!!


16 posted on 10/07/2012 7:31:13 PM PDT by massmike (The choice is clear in November: Romney or Caligula!)
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To: blueunicorn6

You can just see her standing there thinking to herself, “Two all-beef patties spec.....no, that’s not it.”


17 posted on 10/07/2012 7:31:29 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: rovenstinez
>b>She probably to keep her story in line, need to refuse all currency handed to her that says IN GOD WE TRUST. If she is a TRUE vegetarian, she won’t eat animal crackers either.

LOL. Animal crackers is to vegetarian as the Pledge of Allegiance is to prayer.
Yet I can feel her pain. For one to be born so stupid, ugly, and obnoxious as Babette it is not difficult to understand her existential resentments.

18 posted on 10/07/2012 7:35:41 PM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: SeekAndFind

She has every right to say she will not take the pledge, for whatever reason.
I have a right to ridicule her for her choice.


19 posted on 10/07/2012 7:37:33 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The article notes that Congress added “under God” in 1954. That is correct but it’s not the whole story. It started with the pastor of the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington, DC, Dr. George Docherty, a native of Scotland.

Dr. Docherty thought this phrase needed to be added to the Pledge of Allegiance and in one of his sermons he said so, and among those in the congregation that day (not by accident) was President Dwight Eisenhower, a member of the Church. The President took the idea to key Congressmen and it was enacted into law.


20 posted on 10/07/2012 7:38:12 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: SeekAndFind

Eh, it’s a free country. If she feels that way, it’s not a big deal. I mean, her logic could be:

1. Jesus specifically spoke against public prayer.
2. By inserting “Under God”, the pledge becomes a prayer.
3. Taking out “Under God” would be to not say the official pledge. Since the pledge is one whole unit it would be wrong to pick and choose the wording.

Point #1 is definitely true. One could make an argument for point #2. Point #3 is the weakest point, but it’s not an outlandish view.

I’ll criticize Josephs on her policy views, but not on this.


21 posted on 10/07/2012 7:41:57 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would you enter public office with the name “Babette”?? Please don’t tell me that was her given name! Was “Barbara” too “square”??


22 posted on 10/07/2012 7:43:50 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: OldPossum
And one of the groups that fought for the inclusion of those words was the Knights of Columbus, of which I am a member.

If the time comes when the words "under God" are legally written out of the Pledge, I will continue to say them in public any time I have the opportunity to do so.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

23 posted on 10/07/2012 7:48:04 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dirt bags need dirt naps...


24 posted on 10/07/2012 7:48:54 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Just don’t say the words “under God” and stop being a drama queen!

The original 1892 wording worked for my grandparents.

I pledge allegiance to my Flag,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

My parents had to learn the 1924 version.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

That's also how I learned it in 1952. When I went back to school in September 1954 we had to add the new words because someone named Eisenhower said so.

Now I use the version I learned in Grade K because I want to. No drama involved.

25 posted on 10/07/2012 7:49:35 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: SeekAndFind

She has a point concerning Democrats invoking the name of God being the height of hypocracy.


26 posted on 10/07/2012 8:00:43 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The “God” referenced in our national pledge of allegiance is a generic “God.” It can be the God who reveals Himself in the biblical texts, or it can be a god of one’s own making. As such, I have to problem with any citizen who recoils from its use. The God who reveals Himself in the biblical texts is a jealous God. He is not interested in allegiances to anyone or anything higher than Himself, and that includes one’s own nation. Allegiance to Caesar has its limits.


27 posted on 10/07/2012 8:01:46 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So now saying the word “God” means one is praying? Talking about the proximity of “God” means praying? I hope this negative attention somehow turns out to benefit Romney in PA. No wait, I PRAY this benefits Romney in some way in PA!


28 posted on 10/07/2012 8:03:38 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Fester Chugabrew

to = no


29 posted on 10/07/2012 8:04:13 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Previous occupations

Prior to her election to the legislature Josephs was active in law and political organizing.

Executive Director of Citizens Coalition for Energy Efficiency 1980–1981

Co-founder and Executive Director National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League PA and its foundation, the Clara Bell Duvall Education Fund 1978–1980

Private law practice 1977–1979

English Teacher in the Philadelphia Public High Schools 1963–1964

Pledge of allegiance

In October 2001, Josephs was the only House member to vote against a rule requiring students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools.[5] The constitutionality of the law was later challenged, and in 2003, the U.S. District Court struck-down the law on constitutional grounds.[6]


30 posted on 10/07/2012 8:12:25 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SeekAndFind

She looks like an old atheist lesbian...just like most radical feminist liberals.


31 posted on 10/07/2012 8:19:35 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SeekAndFind

Any one know which political party she is in? /sarc


32 posted on 10/07/2012 8:21:14 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Every conservative knew the attacks were coming... 3.5 years ago when Obama was elected.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How can she take the oath for her job? Our Natural Rights come from God—not a wiccan devil. She doesn’t understand “Rule of Law” which means a “Higher Power” than “man”. How stupid she is....no logic........these people are mentally ill. She may be senile.


33 posted on 10/07/2012 8:28:05 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: savagesusie
How can she take the oath for her job?

Maybe because she is not required to take an oath?

Article VI of the U.S. Constitution says: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Even in 1789, the Founders made sure to respect the rights of those who did not follow the majority's views of religion. Too bad you can't do the same.

34 posted on 10/07/2012 8:45:45 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

“Why would you enter public office with the name “Babette”?? Please don’t tell me that was her given name! Was “Barbara” too “square”??”

She probably has a dog named Fido but it’s spelled Phideaux!


35 posted on 10/07/2012 8:51:18 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: One Name

“Ignore God as you wish, Babette.
But, you do so at your own peril, of a certainty.”

Yeah, from the look of her, she should be more careful of her words.


36 posted on 10/07/2012 8:52:37 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Our man in washington
1. Jesus specifically spoke against public prayer.

You are sadly misinformed. What Jesus spoke against was hypocritical prayers in public. However, Jesus and His disciples prayed in public all the time.

Jews are required to pray three times a day. So what the Pharisees were doing was purposely scheduling their day so that they would be in very crowded public places at those times so that the people would see them pray. They were more interested in the praise of men.

When you pray for specific needs for your self, Jesus said do so in secret and your father in heaven will reward you publicly. However, when you do so for the specific purpose of receiving praises from men, Jesus said you already received your reward openly from men.

That is what Jesus was speaking of, and that is why He called them hypocrites. If there is a reason for public prayer, God does not look down on it. There are times to pray in public, and there are times not to do so. Doing for the specific purpose of receiving glory from men is bad. It shows how ones heart is.

Having Gods name in a pledge is not wrong and it is definitely not hypocritical to do so, unless you do it just for praise of men.
37 posted on 10/07/2012 9:19:53 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: SeekAndFind

I respect folks views on religion and saying pledges. I really do.

What I don’t like are sanctimonious a-holes who make such a big deal about it—and who act like those of different beliefs are idiot fools.

Whatever happened to common courtesy and respect for each other?


38 posted on 10/07/2012 9:34:35 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: ASA Vet

I find the Pledge of Allegiance antithetical to the Declaration of Independence.

“one Nation indivisible” is entirely at odds with the principle “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it”


39 posted on 10/07/2012 10:03:22 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: SeekAndFind

Bitter leftist clinging to her drugs and paganism.


40 posted on 10/07/2012 10:11:46 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: dalebert

This posts brings back recollections of the recent post about conservative women appearing more feminine...

Someone should just ask this hag to resign immediately if she can’t fill her role properly. There’s nothing special about her.


41 posted on 10/07/2012 10:31:10 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: SeekAndFind
She refused because it has the word “God” in it.

Her statement of refusing the pledge has the word 'God' in it. Does it mean she was actually praying when she objected to it?

42 posted on 10/07/2012 11:13:20 PM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

But that affirmation of the Constitution is upholding its intent-—which is that our Rights come from God. It is really quite clear and the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land and any laws that contradict the Constitution are Null and Void—so John Marshall stated. There has been no elimination of God’s Laws by an amendment that I have seen (yet). When they take the concept of God built into our Constitution, OUT, then we cease to be free. We will be “Ruled by Man” (like Germany, Italy, Russia was/is). “Rule of Law” of our Republic demands a “Higher Law” than man’s.

Stalin is the one who put Separation of Church and State in his Constitution. it doesn’t exist in ours. There is no establishment of religion by Congress when people mention God and Jesus Christ where ever. The government has NO right to censor any religious speech at all, anywhere, even by teachers in government schools. McGuffey Readers were filled with Biblical passages until the 1930’s when the Atheist John Dewey forced God out of the public square and started indoctrinating children into his radical religion—secular humanism, and getting Marxist judges to destroy our legal system and our freedoms.

Atheists used to not be allowed at all—as jurists, in office—not until the socialists were stacked on our courts by Wilson and FDR, did our legal system warp the meaning of the 1st Amendment and insert Stalin’s plank.

When we have a system of Rule of Law which according to Blackstone and the political theorists of that day and hundreds of years later—meant that there is a “Higher Law” than man-made law (which is arbitrary, if not based on “Laws of Nature and nature’s God” which has to be the guiding Principle of our Constitution for Right Reason (which goes back to Aristotle, Cicero, Aquinas, Locke, Blackstone and then, John Marshall).

MLK, Jr. and the Nuremberg Trials AGAIN brought up the idea that there is a Higher Law— God’s Laws which was affirmed in our Court again. There was no trouble stating God for over 200 years in our history......hmmmmmm...... Stating “God” is not establishing any religion (what religion could it possibly be?????) Why is Atheism the only allowed religion in the public square now—when that is Stalin’s type of government? We aren’t a evil dictatorship.

If this woman refuses to acknowledge God Given Rights—than she is not in support of our Founding Documents and the type of government which is based on God’s Laws. They have a right to deny her office—since she couldn’t possibly understand the First Principles of our government.


43 posted on 10/08/2012 12:21:39 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Gunslingr3

Not if it is “with liberty and justice for all”. With a “Just” system-—there is never any reason to dissolve the union.

If liberty and justice is removed from the Republic-—then yes, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it.

But the pledge is to a Republic with Liberty and Justice for all—so it makes sense.


44 posted on 10/08/2012 12:32:24 AM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: SeekAndFind

My mind is cluttered with absolutely useless information, so when I read her name is “Babette”, something clicked, and with a little help from Google, it turns out that the old TV show “Ramar of the Jungle” featured an African native who had a pet monkey named Babette.


45 posted on 10/08/2012 12:39:41 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: SeekAndFind

“they” have to take “God” out because this hag cannot stand to just say the pledge and do her own thing on the part that “offends” her

she has to make sure “they” choose silence for all of us


46 posted on 10/08/2012 4:17:30 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SeekAndFind

That’s her right, but it is our right not to have such a person represent us. She is not the problem, she is the RESULT of a problem. A majority if voters in her area voted for her and thus have the same thoughts. We need to start focusing on the people that vote for such a person ... And the solution to the resulting problem could be your next door neighbor ...start there. (BTW ... I say “stood” instead if “stands” in the pledge and will as long as Obama is President. )


47 posted on 10/08/2012 5:06:08 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: SeekAndFind

This is an election year. Vote her out of office.


48 posted on 10/08/2012 5:52:18 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: savagesusie
Atheists used to not be allowed at all—as jurists, in office—not until the socialists were stacked on our courts by Wilson and FDR, did our legal system warp the meaning of the 1st Amendment and insert Stalin’s plank.

What part of "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States" (U.S. Const., Art. VI) do you not understand?

49 posted on 10/08/2012 6:50:07 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: OneVike

Good points. I will have to think about them, but for the most part, I will say I stand corrected. Thanks!


50 posted on 10/08/2012 7:07:48 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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