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Pressure is on Biden after Obama's lackluster debate performance
Reuters ^ | Sun Oct 7, 2012 | John Whitesides

Posted on 10/07/2012 11:01:50 PM PDT by granada

(Reuters) - He has been stereotyped as the Obama administration's gaffe-prone sideshow.

But Vice President Joe Biden also is a veteran debater who was in the U.S. Senate for a quarter century and is perhaps the Democratic White House's most passionate defender of the working class.

Now, with his debate against Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan coming up on Thursday, Biden is under pressure to help President Barack Obama's campaign recapture the momentum it enjoyed before Obama was outmaneuvered by Republican rival Mitt Romney last week in the first of their three debates.

That debate trimmed Obama's lead in the polls and raised the stakes for the lone vice presidential debate, which also will be a national debut of sorts for Ryan, the Wisconsin congressman and budget specialist.

With the Romney-Ryan campaign energized, Democrats are in the surprising position of relying on Biden, a perpetual political wild card, to fire up their campaign. Democrats did get a boost in Friday's jobs report, which showed the nation's unemployment rate dipped below 8 percent last month for the first time since January 2009, the month Obama took office.

"This is not about changing minds. This is about changing the momentum," Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis said. "The vice president is going to have to be very aggressive in undercutting Republican arguments. He can't allow Ryan to control the debate the way Romney controlled his debate."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debate; media; pressure
I think the pressure is actually on liberal MSM and pollsters.
1 posted on 10/07/2012 11:01:58 PM PDT by granada
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To: granada

Biden lied a bunch in the Palin debate. Ryan will put a quick stop to that.

Obama showed the Dems actually believe their own lying negative ads. Biden spouting the lies will just give Ryab a chance to make the huge ad spend a money burn.


2 posted on 10/07/2012 11:09:50 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: granada

“But Vice President Joe Biden also is a veteran debater”

LOL! Ya gotta hand it to Rooters and the MSM. They sprinkle sugar on dog poo and call it an eclair.


3 posted on 10/07/2012 11:29:12 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: granada

Ryan is going to shred Biden; to bits.

Biden barely knows what day of the week it is.


4 posted on 10/07/2012 11:31:12 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Ryan has been working with the budget numbers since 2008.

He knows his stuff and he has a vice-like memory.

Old Joe, and the moderator isn’t going to know what hit them.


5 posted on 10/07/2012 11:33:22 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: granada

I think Biden will do well. Problem is his though he might present them well his policy arguments are bad. Ryan should cut through them.


6 posted on 10/07/2012 11:35:30 PM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter has more relevant&quality executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: granada

This debate will be very entertaining. I expect to Biden, the “Great Intellect”, to try to a number of well-practiced zingers. Ryan should prepare for that and return them back in spades. Pass the popcorn on this one. I think SNL will have much comedic fodder from this encounter.


7 posted on 10/07/2012 11:40:18 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: granada

Humiliate Biden by reminding people of Biden. Then demand a second debate from him.


8 posted on 10/07/2012 11:43:05 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama at the UN: The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.)
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To: jimfree

I think Biden will do well.”

I think Biden has two things going for him. Nobody expects him to do well. He’s been around a long time and I suspect has done a lot of fighting in the gutters in order to survive.

OTOH, Ryan not only knows his stuff but is a lot more familiar with DC operatives because he’s been a part of it. Palin was not only not as familiar with the DC political scene but also was not real familiar with the area where Biden has lived.

Needless to say it should provide a treasure trove of material for comedians if they would only use it.


9 posted on 10/07/2012 11:48:22 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: granada

Does a vice presidential debate make much difference?

In 1988, Bentsen debated Quayle...Bentsen made fun of Quayle by telling the latter that he is no John Kennedy...George HW still won.

In 2000, Cheney debated Lieberman...I think they both sat at a table with the moderator...I don’t think that debate really changed any votes...

I would feel really good if Ryan “humiliates” Biden...But, how many “swing voters” will switch from Obama to Romney because of that?


10 posted on 10/07/2012 11:49:36 PM PDT by L.A.Justice
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To: L.A.Justice

It will make a difference, if Ryan wins, that sending R&R to Washington, will be a much more competent team than B&B.


11 posted on 10/07/2012 11:52:53 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: granada
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/08/joe_bidens_plagiarism_problem.html

All Ryan needs to do is find a way to use some form of the word plagiarism in the first minute. Biden’s only original words are gaffs...

12 posted on 10/07/2012 11:55:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: L.A.Justice

I don’t think it would make too much of a difference if Biden edged Ryan in the debate, but if Biden gets trounced, which I don’t think will happen (I think it will be more of a drawn/lean Ryan), then two successive debate losses will confirm a forming narrative that Obama/Biden are less capable than Romney/Ryan. That could sway a decent amount of the few fence-sitters remaining.


13 posted on 10/07/2012 11:59:12 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: granada

Biden - “Blah, blah, lie, lie, blah and lie.

Ryan - “Your misrepresentations and misleading statements here on national television are going to make some great campaign commercials. Please keep it up, Joe. Thank you.”


14 posted on 10/08/2012 12:01:49 AM PDT by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: max americana
“But Vice President Joe Biden also is a veteran debater”

When it comes to debating, Biden is the Master.

15 posted on 10/08/2012 12:11:22 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: granada
As long as the MSM set the news agenda and the terms of debate, there is no pressure on Biden or Obama.

It took 24 hours for the Obama debate fiasco to disappear.

It was replaced - within 24 hours - by the 47% theme, and the Romney is a liar theme.

I'm fearful that Paul Ryan lacks the high pressure live television experience to avoid mistakes in demeanor and wording.

Regardless of what Biden does, within 24 hours Paul Ryan's “bookkeeper's heart” or political ineptitude will be the only stories reported.

16 posted on 10/08/2012 12:12:22 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: jimfree

I agree...Biden will do well. He’s “folksy” enough for people to like him.

However, I think Ryan is “folksy” enough, too, and will be just wonky enough for people to believe him, instead of the fluff that Biden will provide.

Especially after Obama’s debate performance.

IOW, our guy is smarter than their guy.


17 posted on 10/08/2012 12:19:53 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (~~~RAGE ~~~ I haz it.)
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To: L.A.Justice

“Does a vice presidential debate make much difference?”

Usually, no.

But, this time, after Obama’s performance, it will feed the narrative that the dems are sunk and have no solutions other than to continue what they are doing.

THAT won’t be popular.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 12:24:21 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (~~~RAGE ~~~ I haz it.)
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To: Jonty30

It’s not B&B, its Barack & Joe...BJ. Clintons legacy.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 12:24:43 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: C210N

So that makes Biden a master ‘bater? Heehee!!


20 posted on 10/08/2012 12:32:14 AM PDT by dubyajam ("Life is Hard ... It's Even Harder When you're Stupid" --- John Wayne)
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To: liberty or death; Jonty30

” It’s not B&B”

Not to put words in Jonty’s mouth, but I thought the “B&B” meant Barack and Biden.

“BJ. Clintons legacy”

Actually, Biden was in DC way before Clinton was a blip on anyone’s radar screen. I believe he’s been there since he was a mere lad, in 1972.

I’ve been married almost that long. And that’s a looong time! lol


21 posted on 10/08/2012 12:35:19 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (~~~RAGE ~~~ I haz it.)
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To: max americana
“But Vice President Joe Biden also is a veteran debater”

Yeah watever. Sarah kept winking at him during the 2008 debates and it completely unnerved him..

22 posted on 10/08/2012 12:40:07 AM PDT by cardinal4 (If Baraq Hussein Obama had a son he would look like Rageboy)
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To: cardinal4

So if Ryan keeps winking at him, I expect him to totally freak out.

:)


23 posted on 10/08/2012 12:57:36 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: Salamander

All he really needs to do is keep bringing up the “we have buried you in the middle class in the last four years” (paraphrasing)..and THEN keep winking at him. He should also wear a large chain around his neck as “bling”, while sipping a 7-11 coffee while weraing a Home Depot button..


24 posted on 10/08/2012 1:05:39 AM PDT by cardinal4 (If Baraq Hussein Obama had a son he would look like Rageboy)
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To: dixiechick2000

They came to the White House after President BJ Clinton. You’re right Joe’s been around and for a long time, but BJ Clinton dumbed down the democrats so bad that even Joey the Dunce could be a VP.


25 posted on 10/08/2012 1:08:22 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: dubyajam

There is a Master Baiter fishing store in Florida.


26 posted on 10/08/2012 2:15:20 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: dubyajam

There is a Master Baiter fishing store in Florida.


27 posted on 10/08/2012 2:15:30 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: max americana
He is a veteran debater. Only not it the same sense this article implies. Biden has been in plenty of debates - in front of a home audience and state electorate that were on his side to begin with.

Essentially his debates were like the Roman Coliseum Christian 'Fights'....a Christian is put in an arena before thousands of blood thirsty Romans pitted against the Lion, represented by Biden....of course he is a veteran.

This time, Biden isn't on his home turf/arena - he's on the national stage. The only thing Ryan has to watch out for is to keep from looking like a bully roughing up a little Yellow School Bus Kid in a helmet.

28 posted on 10/08/2012 2:46:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: granada

Let Biden be Biden.


29 posted on 10/08/2012 2:46:19 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: granada

30 posted on 10/08/2012 3:04:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: cardinal4

Now that’s a weird mental image.

Ryan is kind of clean-cut boyish looking but he has crazy-intense eyes.

Maybe he’ll psych ol’ Joe out.

[truth be told, I worry about Joe’s aneurysm history]


31 posted on 10/08/2012 3:09:16 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a mad man's face, his reason tends to fly away.)
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To: TigerClaws

I remember the Biden-Palin debate- she eviscerated him. As for the other 2008 debates, Obama won the Townhall one, while the other two were draws. Intelligent people can destroy these two. I think Biden and Obama will be curled in a corner sucking their thumbs by the end of the debates.


32 posted on 10/08/2012 3:42:29 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: granada
The debate is going to be in Danville, Kentucky.

For Joe's sake, I hope the elevation in Danville is NOT a couple of feet above sea level or else the DNC will demand that a hole be cut in the stage and the ground below, for him and his podium to be lowered down into. Their thinking will be that it will make up for obama being at a high elevation in Denver.

What the hell??? It's only fair.

s/

33 posted on 10/08/2012 4:01:57 AM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, safety is off.)
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To: jmax

Then, again, if Danville is in a valley, he’ll probably ask for a 15 foot podium and an aluminum extension ladder, just to be contrary.


34 posted on 10/08/2012 4:19:13 AM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, safety is off.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

I have it recorded and watched it again. If I were joe biden... I’d catch the flu or something.

LLS


35 posted on 10/08/2012 4:19:54 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: max americana

you mean master-bater


36 posted on 10/08/2012 4:22:20 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: granada

Do NOT underestimate Biden. He held his own and will continue to against Ryan. The pressure is on Ryan. No doubt.


37 posted on 10/08/2012 4:24:18 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: granada

Obama’s campaign recapture the momentum it enjoyed before Obama was outmaneuvered by Republican rival Mitt Romney last week in the first of their three debates

So barry was just “outmaneuvered” lol


38 posted on 10/08/2012 4:33:59 AM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: granada

39 posted on 10/08/2012 4:38:30 AM PDT by dead (It ain't over until the phone lady sings.)
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To: max americana

Biden “WAS” a great debater but I think early senility is catching up to him. Still Ryan will need to be careful as Biden will be capable of a few Rhetorical low blows that will stick and sting!


40 posted on 10/08/2012 4:55:46 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (We have grieved the Holy Spirit, with our Dark hearts and dark minds turned against God!)
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To: granada

Ryan better come out swinging too. Biden is studying up on what he does best: epithets and insults and scare tactics and class warfare. That’s the only weapon of intellectually bankrupt liberalism when it runs headlong into conservative principles of freedom and properity and limited government interference.


41 posted on 10/08/2012 5:01:39 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (I won't vote for Romney, period. Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.)
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To: granada
Ryan should shake Biden up right at the beginning and throw him off his game.

I would recommend that Ryan brings any staff member named "Chuck" and introduce him as a special guest he's pleased to have in the audience, and then ask for him to "Stand up, Chuck...Oh God love you..."

Biden may or may not catch on, but if he does, Ryan's under his skin right from the start.

42 posted on 10/08/2012 5:33:42 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Let Ryan be Ryan and present the change America needs-not get into a lot psycho babble with Biden. Stick to what our Country needs not the hyper-pole the Obama administration has been feeding us for the last 4 years. We need a balanced budget - deficit reduction and jobs!!! Skip the sizzle and give us the steak- we are hungry for change.
43 posted on 10/08/2012 5:33:42 AM PDT by not2worry ( NO MORE YEARS!!!!)
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To: granada

Biden may be full of sh__, but he has a way of presenting himself as knowledgeable.

Don’t sell him short.

OTOH he tops my all time favorite gaffe list.

‘Stand up Chuck, awww, everyone stand up for Chuck’


44 posted on 10/08/2012 5:35:48 AM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: dixiechick2000

“our guy is smarter than their guy.”

Our guy is smarter than their guy. Totally smarter - that’s a given, but it won’t win the dumb vote.

What Ryan needs to do is simply debate bare-chested - abs pecs and all. He could recite nursery rhymes and win it.

Where are the stories of women fainting at the Ryan rallies like we get when Obama opens his mouth? Where are the Ryan is Kennedyesque stories? >sarc<


45 posted on 10/08/2012 6:10:54 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: granada

Ryan should incorporate bidens gaffes into each response, keeping biden on the defensive.


46 posted on 10/08/2012 6:47:00 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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