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How Mitt Romney Won My Vote
Townhall.com ^ | October 8, 2012 | Mike Adams

Posted on 10/08/2012 3:32:23 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 10/08/2012 3:32:35 AM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 10/08/2012 3:34:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

He has won my vote also, and in a special way, after adding on Rep. Paul Ryan.


3 posted on 10/08/2012 3:42:17 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I was always ABO but the Ryan choice made me actually pro-Romney.


4 posted on 10/08/2012 3:47:03 AM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: Kaslin
My vote was changed from going-to-sit-this-one-out to Romney.

Another thinking American comes to his senses.

I have noticed that the FReepers that hate Romney and are going to "sit this one out" have steadily decreased in their rants, and the ones that are still hold outs are running out of ammo and food and water.

There will always be a few left, like the Japanese soldiers on some lost island.

5 posted on 10/08/2012 4:01:10 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: Kaslin

Romney has had my vote since day one, to begin with because he was not Obama and now i believe because he is Romney.

I see a few Romney signs here in my town but i have not saw any Obama signs which is a change from four years ago.

Although that does not necessarily mean anything because the socialists are mostly in the Denver and Colo springs area.


6 posted on 10/08/2012 4:11:28 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Kaslin

A couple of things solidified my vote. There was still a slim chance I was going to go third party if Pennsylvania was a runaway Obama state anyway. And then the Dems booed Israel at their convention. Horrifying. I knew then I had to vote Romney. Then, the Sept. 11 massacre and Obama handled it like an idiot. I was proud of Romney’s response. Even my wife - who was always going to go third party (Constitution) - is now voting Romney.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 4:19:23 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Biggirl
I have posted here many times that I would not vote for a flip flopping cult leader......

However....

Obama and the demonRats are so reprehensible, I could not see myself standing before the Lord God and trying to explain why I didn't do everything I could to get the most evil people I know out of power.

Obama is the epitome of evil along with his anti-god party.

8 posted on 10/08/2012 4:42:10 AM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: USS Alaska

Actually, those of us sticking to our principles are silent because unlike many, we choose not to crap on Jim’s floor. When he chose to support Romney, we had a choice. Act like DUers or retain some decency and take our opinions on the subject elsewhere and not further contribute to an already raging civil war..

Plenty of reason to not support that which goes against every conservative principle. But your vote is your choice.


9 posted on 10/08/2012 4:48:30 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Kaslin

I will digest this later, I am still wavering.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 4:57:44 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: Kaslin

Romney is not my ideal Candidate by any stretch of the imagination. But I fear that sitting it out is a vote for Obozo. The thing that solidified my vote was the Ryan pick and his performance awt the debate.


11 posted on 10/08/2012 5:12:10 AM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Good post.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 5:15:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The only wasted vote is one that doesn't represent you.)
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To: USS Alaska
I have noticed that the FReepers that hate Romney and are going to "sit this one out" have steadily decreased in their rants, and the ones that are still hold outs are running out of ammo and food and water.

Some of us have simply turned our time in politics to other things besides politics: such as gardening, family, church, "to do" lists, etc. I am one of them.

As a social conservative, Romney has gone beyond the point of support from my standpoint. More than that, though, is the idea of direction and drift. The Party continues to drift leftward to the point that it has left people like me behind. If it can convince people to vote for someone from the moderate wing of the Party in 2000 (George W.) and the left end of the Party in 2008 (McCain) and the far left end of the Party (Romney) in this election, I see little hope in the current approach to "voting for the lesser of the two evils".

If Romney wins, I still lose. His values are not my values. When (if) the Party puts someone forward that I can support, I will vote for them. Until then, I have plenty of other things to keep my busy.

I would wait and respond, but I am meeting my wife for breakfast. With the choices that the Party has put forward, it beats politics by a long way.
13 posted on 10/08/2012 5:28:03 AM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

That’s about the way I feel too, although Romney certainly mouthed all the right words at the debate. And for those who are quick to cry “traitor” at anyone who does not rush to embrace Romney, let me remind you that there are more elections on this ballot than just the presidency. It is also important that conservatives strengthen our presence in the House and add to our numbers in the Senate.

if Romney kicks BO’s butt this next round as badly as he did in Round 1, I could almost see myself voting for him. But I would do so not in the blind faith that he’s a conservative, but in the full realization that I was participating in the gradual demise of our country.


14 posted on 10/08/2012 5:41:51 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: vanilla swirl

Hold your nose if you have to.


15 posted on 10/08/2012 5:50:52 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: IronJack
I could almost see myself voting for him. But I would do so not in the blind faith that he’s a conservative, but in the full realization that I was participating in the gradual demise of our country.

Perhaps we should think of it as slowing the demise of our country; it must be slowed before it can be stopped and then reversed.

16 posted on 10/08/2012 5:54:51 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: old and tired

I wasn’t a Romney fan, but I’ve come around.

Adding Ryan to the ticket helped a lot.

If he does nothing else but make good his intention to make us energy independent, even if he doesn’t get us all the way there, he will have changed the country for the good immeasurably, IMHO.


17 posted on 10/08/2012 6:02:29 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: old and tired

I wasn’t a Romney fan, but I’ve come around.

Adding Ryan to the ticket helped a lot.

If he does nothing else but make good his intention to make us energy independent, even if he doesn’t get us all the way there, he will have changed the country for the good immeasurably, IMHO.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 6:02:45 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands; Norm Lenhart
Both of you are civil in your dissent and have every right not to vote.

I understand your sense of disgust about Romney, but do either of you care about the future of your children and/or grand children?

Every reason you give for not voting for Romney to get rid of obama, is magnified thousands of times if obama wins and those future generations will pay the price.

Go have breakfast with your wife and do some gardening, and pretend that there is a moral equivalence between Romney/obama and then your conscience won't keep you awake at night, and you will have "remained true to your principles".

19 posted on 10/08/2012 6:09:15 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: IronJack

Yes, there are so many reasons conservatives are not happy with Romney as the GOP nominee. But I see this as a battle that we have been losing for 50 years. Every RINO compromise, every conciliation and every deal made in a bi-partisan manner has favored the liberal socialists and stomped on the Constitution. All of this aided by a liberal biased press. The cards have been stacked. The Tea Party has begun to change the dynamic but we are not there yet. It is going to take a concerted long term effort to get this country back. The key being the Tea Party to hold people accountable. In my mind Romney is just a start, Not the best but start nonetheless. Our next goal should be to dismantle the liberal media and level the information playing field. It has to be a combined assault on the entire left propaganda machine. We need to get to the point where we demand that our tax dollars are not used to indoctrinate kids at universities and public schools. Our problems and challenges are so large in the long term that at this point Romney is just a beginning. Just the fact that i have a son serving overseas is enough to vote for Romney because of the the bammer’s complete betrayal of our military. In my opinion sitting this one out just doesn’t make sense.


20 posted on 10/08/2012 6:11:06 AM PDT by scottywr (We the People........are mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore.)
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To: USS Alaska

I can only vote for what I do believe in. I have control over one thing. My vote. I will cast it in support of conservative and yes, christian ideals.

The rest of America can either join me in doing so or not bitch when they are stuck defending themselves for the next 4 years every time their chosen leader sticks it to them.

That simple.


21 posted on 10/08/2012 6:17:10 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yup I’m also still here, still living in OH, and still NOT voting for Romney.

But for the most part I do not crap on the floor. The mittbots have taken over, and when Mitt loses we can pick up the pieces and try again for an actual conservative next time,

...or Mitt wins and we wait for the inevitable betrayal of all we believe in, with the attendant trashing of GOP/conservative brand and with no opposition from congress.


22 posted on 10/08/2012 6:39:06 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: IronJack

the problem is that even sitting out is participating in the demise.


23 posted on 10/08/2012 6:41:10 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
Just wondering: if you live(d) in Missouri, would you vote for Todd Akin over Claire McCaskill?

Comparing their voting records:

Obamacare Akin-No; McCaskill-Yes

Medicare Cuts Akin-No; McCaskill-Yes

2nd Amendment Akin "A" McCaskill "F"

Social Security Cut Akin-No; McCaskill-Yes

Wallstreet Bailout Akin-No; McCaskill-Yes

Pro-Life Akin-A; McCaskill-F

Passed budget Akin-Yes; McCaskill-No (3 years)

I, too, am disappointed in the choice of Mitt Romney, but if conservatives vote for truly conservative men and women to represent us in the US House and Senate, AND if we watch them all and "hold their feet to the fire," then IMO, we may be able to drag Romney - and the rest of America - back in the RIGHT direction.

Just wondering what you think and where you stand on these other candidates....

24 posted on 10/08/2012 6:56:32 AM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Kaslin

I love the idea of sending Christmas cards to PETA every year with the pics of your current deer kill.

There are over 600,000 hunters in Wisconsin.

They could really drive PETA nuts with a swarm of such cards!!!


25 posted on 10/08/2012 7:22:06 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Cronos

Participation signals assent. I do not want my vote interpreted — by libs or establishment RINOs — as an endorsement of Romney’s flaccid conservatism. Sitting out the presidential vote means saying NO to the Hobson’s choice I’ve been given.

Voting for Satan isn’t much worse than voting for Beelzebub.

Having said that, Romney did much to redeem himself in the Denver debate. I don’t believe him; his record belies his rhetoric. But at least he paid lip service to conservative ideals. And that’s something for which he can be held to account.


26 posted on 10/08/2012 7:24:26 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Cronos

the problem is that even sitting out is participating in the demise.”””

Especially with the voter fraud that is sure to show up.


27 posted on 10/08/2012 7:25:46 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: JimRed

That’s exactly right. And even if it’s just slowing down an inevitable demise, it’s still the right thing to do.


28 posted on 10/08/2012 7:35:15 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: USS Alaska

“Another thinking American comes to his senses.

I have noticed that the FReepers that hate Romney and are going to “sit this one out” have steadily decreased in their rants, and the ones that are still hold outs are running out of ammo and food and water.

There will always be a few left, like the Japanese soldiers on some lost island.”

It’s called being the bigger man ;)


29 posted on 10/08/2012 7:44:46 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

“If Romney wins, I still lose. His values are not my values. When (if) the Party puts someone forward that I can support, I will vote for them. Until then, I have plenty of other things to keep my busy.

I would wait and respond, but I am meeting my wife for breakfast. With the choices that the Party has put forward, it beats politics by a long way.”

well put :)


30 posted on 10/08/2012 7:47:25 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: Kaslin
Before that, the question was asked about the Presidential responsibility to the citizens of this country. Obama went on an ego trip about being commander-in-chief and Romney alluded to God, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. This action set the stage for the result of the debate, it set Obama so far aback that he just never did recover.
31 posted on 10/08/2012 7:55:06 AM PDT by Gertie
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To: IronJack

I’ve been thinking lately that Romney is a smart guy. He knows conservatism is what we all want, just look at the way our candidates fall all over themselves telling us how conservative they are during the primaries, or how Reagan was the greatest.

So maybe, just maybe, he’ll actually govern as a conservative because he wants to be remembered as the next Reagan. I honestly don’t care if he is one, only that he acts like one.

I can hope. You can laugh at me.


32 posted on 10/08/2012 8:09:21 AM PDT by Darth Reardon
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To: libdestroyer

I believe those of use that are sitting it out/write-in/3rd party are just the opposite....stockpiling for whomever ‘wins’ come November, ‘cuz it won’t matter which party continues along the path we’re currently set upon.

We’d be better off focusing on the local/House/Senate picks than President (which I still never understood the hoopla about, considering the E.College does the actual choosing).

There will be enough crow to eat for everyone I suspect; mine being IF/when they actually shrink/rid of a department in Fedzilla....

But to believe in Mitt’s rhetoric recently and neglect all his past is madness. Just because he doesn’t (currently) use sand in the Vaseline doesn’t mean I’m happy to grab my ankles.


33 posted on 10/08/2012 8:10:36 AM PDT by i_robot73
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To: Gertie

It’s a shame that all these ‘brilliant’ lawyer-ly/ivy-league educated types, can’t understand the plain verbiage of any of those exalted Documents.

Mitt’s rant what they meant to him still had me screaming “Wrong!” at my TV


34 posted on 10/08/2012 8:15:46 AM PDT by i_robot73
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To: vanilla swirl

“I will digest this later, I am still wavering.”

I admit, there is much to digest before casting your vote.

The brutal regime in charge has almost destroyed us to the point we’re going to have to claw our way back over the course of many years. When obama couldn’t get his way, he issued EO’s. That won’t stop in a second term. No, it will be much worse.

The regime stands with muslims. We got a great example of their callousness to the citizens of this country with the recent terrorist attacks on our embassies and the brutal deaths of 4 men who had absolutely no protection, nothing with which to defend themselves. Their fate was sealed long before the attacks.

Not only did the regime lie and tried to brush off these deaths and did their best to blame a movie, they added insult to injury with their in-your-face obama flag that replaced the stars and stripes. Sickening.

There’s much more, but you know that. If ever there was a “crawl over broken glass” moment in the history of the United States (in our generation at least), this is it.


35 posted on 10/08/2012 8:25:57 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: i_robot73
To refuse to believe that Romney is moving to the right--that that move is genuine--is to put cynicism ahead of reason.

Why so? Because we are lost if we do not persuade literally millions of our fellow countrymen to move to the right. And if we reject one who seems to be doing so--if we continually insult his integrity--what sort of a message do we send to those millions whom we need to convince to make the same move?

Because Romney has proven himself as something of a problem solver, there is real evidence--convincing proof--that he is a realist. Because Conservative, free market, limited government, personal responsibility premises have proven to offer the best hope for any people, why should one doubt that Gov. Romney's acceptance of those premises is now genuine?

People need to put anger over past disappointments into the perspective of the desperate need for America to retire Obama from office. This really is a very crucial election; and Romney makes a lot of sense right now. (See Romney/Ryan.)

William Flax

36 posted on 10/08/2012 8:26:32 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Kaslin

Romney definitely wasn’t my first or second choice but once he became the nominee, I support him and donated to him. This election, more than any other, is about getting a Communist out of the White House. Bill Clinton could be the Republican nominee and I’d vote for him.


37 posted on 10/08/2012 8:42:17 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: ridesthemiles
I love the idea of sending Christmas cards to PETA every year with the pics of your current deer kill.

There are over 600,000 hunters in Wisconsin.

They could really drive PETA nuts with a swarm of such cards!!!

Unfortunately I would estimate (my estimate) that 45% of the 600,000 deer hunters in Wisc (and I am one of them) are still committed union or pro-union / democRAT voters, even if they are deer hunters. DemocRATs will vote for their party line & ideology as their true religion. Even though the NRA has come out with resounding endorsement for Romney/Ryan, that will likely not flip one democRAT over to the Repubs. Maybe a few independents, but that is it.

I have never ceased to be amazed at how hard working, basically honest & decent people otherwise, can be so naive & stupid to vote for socialist democRATs who do everything they can to drive up taxes & spending & socialist-marxist takeover of America, and to destroy the very lifestyle that these ignoramuses profess to believe in, and yet they vote for the party that is doing everything they can to destroy our country & THEIR lifestyle.

Unbelieveable!

38 posted on 10/08/2012 8:57:30 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Prov3456

Yes, if I lived in Missouri I would definitely vote for Akin.

Other points:

I don’t think that there are enough social conservatives in Congress to pull anybody anywhere.

I don’t think that the problem is people not voting for Romney. I think that the problem is conservatives being willing to vote for whomever the Party nominates. It only encourages the liberals to keep nominating increasingly liberal candidates.

Currently eating with my wife at the Veranda Cafe in Black Mountain, North Carolina. Better than politics. Get back with me when a conservative is nominated.


39 posted on 10/08/2012 9:17:50 AM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands (Mitt Romney is a handbasket driver. I refuse to ride.)
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To: Kaslin

I thought you might be interested in this, a coalition of pro-family, pro-life conservatives from Massachusetts on Romney’s conservative efforts there...


An Open Letter Regarding Governor Mitt Romney

January 11, 2007

Dear conservative friends:

We hail from a broad spectrum of organizations dedicated to fighting for the pro-family agenda in Massachusetts. As you know, Mitt Romney became the governor of our state in 2003. Since that time, we have worked closely with him and his excellent staff on that agenda.

Some press accounts and bloggers have described Governor Romney in terms we neither have observed nor can we accept. To the contrary, we, who have been fighting here for the values you also hold, are indebted to him and his responsive staff in demonstrating solid social conservative credentials by undertaking the following actions here in Massachusetts:

• Staunchly defended traditional marriage. Governor Romney immediately and strongly condemned the 2003 court decision that legalized “same-sex marriage” in our state. More importantly, he followed up on that denunciation with action – action that saved our nation from a constitutional crisis over the definition of marriage. He and his staff identified and enforced a little-known 1913 law that allowed them to order local clerks not to issue marriage licenses to out-of-state couples. Absent this action, homosexual couples would surely have flooded into Massachusetts from other states to get “married” and then demanded that their home states recognize the “marriages,” putting the nation only one court decision away from nationalizing “same-sex marriage.”

• Worked hard to overturn “same-sex marriage” in the Commonwealth with considerable progress to date. In 2004 he lobbied hard, before a very hostile legislature, for a constitutional amendment protecting marriage – an amendment later changed by the legislature to include civil unions, which the Governor and many marriage amendment supporters opposed. Working with the Governor, we were successful in defeating this amendment.

• Provided active support for a successful citizen petition drive in 2005 to advance a clean constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

• Rallied thousands of citizens to focus public and media attention on the failure of legislators, through repeated delays, to perform their constitutional obligation and vote on the marriage amendment.

• Filed suit before the Supreme Judicial Court. The Governor’s suit asked the court to clarify the legislators’ duty to vote and failing that, to place the amendment on the 2008 ballot. That lawsuit, perhaps more than any other single action, was by all accounts instrumental in bringing pressure on the legislators to vote. The vote ultimately was taken on January 2, 2007 and won legislative support – clearing a major hurdle in the three year effort to restore traditional marriage in the Commonwealth.

• Fought for abstinence education. In 2006, under Governor Romney’s leadership, Massachusetts’ public schools began to offer a classroom program on abstinence from the faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students. Promoting the program, Governor Romney stated, “I’ve never had anyone complain to me that their kids are not learning enough about sex in school. However, a number of people have asked me why it is that we do not speak more about abstinence as a safe and preventative health practice.”

• Affirmed the culture of life. Governor Romney has vetoed bills to provide access to the so-called “morning-after pill,” which is an abortifacient, as well as a bill providing for expansive, embryo-destroying stem cell research. He vetoed the latter bill in 2005 because the could not “in good conscience allow this bill to become law.”

• Stood for religious freedom. Last year, Governor Romney was stalwart in defense of the right of Catholic Charities of Boston to refuse to allow homosexual couples to adopt children in its care. Catholic Charities was loudly accused of “discrimination,” but Governor Romney correctly pointed out that it is unjust to force a religious agency to violate the tenets of its faith in order to placate a special-interest group.

• Filed “An Act Protecting Religious Freedom” in the Massachusetts legislature to save Catholic Charities of Boston and other religious groups from being forced to violate their moral principles or stop doing important charitable work.

All of this may explain why John J. Miller, the national political reporter of National Review, has written that “a good case can be made that Romney has fought harder for social conservatives than any other governor in America, and it is difficult to imagine his doing so in a more daunting political environment.”

We are aware of the 1994 comments of Senate candidate Romney, which have been the subject of much recent discussion. While they are, taken by themselves, obviously worrisome to social conservatives including ourselves, they do not dovetail with the actions of Governor Romney from 2003 until now – and those actions have positively and demonstrably impacted the social climate of Massachusetts.

Since well before 2003, we have been laboring in the trenches of Massachusetts, fighting for the family values you and we share. It is difficult work indeed – not for the faint of heart. In this challenging environment, Governor Romney has proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.

For four years, Governor Romney has been right there beside us, providing leadership on key issues – whether it was politically expedient to do so or not. He has stood on principle, and we have benefited greatly from having him with us.

It is clear that Governor Romney has learned much since 1994 – to the benefit of our movement and our Commonwealth. In fact, the entire nation has benefited from his socially conservative, pro-family actions in office. As we explained earlier, his leadership on the marriage issue helped prevent our nation from being plunged into even worse legal turmoil following the court decision that forced “gay marriage” upon our Commonwealth.

For that our country ought to be thankful. We certainly are.

Sincerely,
Rita Covelle
President, Morality in Media Massachusetts

Richard Guerriero
Immediate Past State Deputy, Massachusetts State Council, Knights of Columbus

Mary Ann Glendon
Learned Hand Professor of Law, Harvard Law School

Kristian Mineau
President, Massachusetts Family Institute

Dr. Roberto Miranda
President, COPAHNI Fellowship of Hispanic Pastors of New England

James Morgan
President, Institute for Family Development

Joseph Reilly
President, Massachusetts Citizens for Life

Thomas A. Shields
Chairman, Coalition for Family and Marriage

__________________________
Note: The signatories are all acting as individual citizens, and not as representatives of their respective organizations. Organizational affiliations and titles appear for identification purposes only.

http://aboutmittromney.com/pdf/massleaders.pdf


40 posted on 10/08/2012 9:58:16 AM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
"conservatives being willing to vote for whomever the Party nominates"

Wow, that's certainly not what conservatives in Missouri are doing. When the GOPe (Roy Blunt, John Danforth, Jim Talent, Reince Priebus, etc) demanded that Akin withdraw, Missouri grassroots conservatives replied, "No, thanks" (not so polite). We are so WITH Todd Akin that he has regained most/all of the ground his misspeak lost, and we believe he will win the US Senate race.

41 posted on 10/08/2012 10:01:45 AM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Norm Lenhart

Refusing to act when it allows evil to triumph is a complete betrayal of conservative principals.

Dress up your refusal to act any way you choose, it is not principled.


42 posted on 10/08/2012 10:05:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: i_robot73

Refusing to confront evil, and there by being a passive ally of it, is not a conservative stand.

I think it time for you die hards to admit your position has more to do with your sour grapes that your candidate did not win the GOP nomination then anything resembling principal.


43 posted on 10/08/2012 10:08:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Kaslin
My daughter was considering voting Libertarian in the coming Presidential election.

I pointed out to her that there was at stake a protection for our Republic put in place by our Founders; that is, the Electoral College.

The Electoral College assures that the winner of the Presidential election has the support of a wide base of the states of the union. The winner can't simply dominate half a dozen large liberal states. There is no way to win with such a narrow base of support.

A second beneficial effect of the Electoral College is that it acts to negate the effects of voter fraud. Under the present system, liberals must arrange to steal votes in states where their influence is not dominant. They would have to steal votes in red states, where elected officials would be able to detect and thwart their efforts.

If the Electoral College were eliminated, the liberals would be able to steal millions of votes in Kalifornia, Illinois, New York, and other liberal dominated states.

If, by stealing votes in liberal states, the libs are able to accomplish having Obama win the "popular" vote, with Romney winning the Electoral College vote, there will come a ground-swell of support for eliminating the Electoral College. Should that happen, every future Presidential election will be won by the candidate whose party can steal the most votes in states that they control. If it is a given that conservatives will never steal as many votes as liberals, then it will be a given that conservatives may never win another Presidential election.

By voting for Romney, even though my daughter thinks that her vote won't count, she will do her part to preserve the Electoral College and protect what remains of the integrity of our elections.

Our system of government is very different from the parliamentary systems of other countries throughout the world. Ours, by design, is close to a "winner-take_all" approach. The president's party control's the executive branch almost completely. Similarly, the majorities of each House of Congress controls that House.

Third-party efforts only serve as spoilers for the party that has most in common with that third-party. Those who support third-parties fail to deal with the reality that they will NEVER be a winning party if they can't even win a majority of either of the existing parties.

44 posted on 10/08/2012 10:20:49 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Norm Lenhart

Name a chosen leader that maintained 100% agreement with 100% of their voters on 100% of the issues. Get in the real world please.


45 posted on 10/08/2012 10:21:47 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: libdestroyer; Engraved-on-His-hands; i_robot73; delapaz; Norm Lenhart
If Obama is reelected by 2016 we will be so far over the fiscal cliff there will be no climbing back. Romney sees the chart below as a problem. 0bama thinks the problem is we have not spent enough!

FY 2007 is the last Bush/GOP Congress budget. FY 2011 is the last 0bama/Dem Congress

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Obama added planks favoring Gay Marriage and taxpayer funded abortion on demand up to birth to the 2012 Democrat Party platform.

By contrast the 2012 GOP platform is the most Conservative one in their history.

No matter how much you hate Romney, no one with a brain would refuse to see the stark difference between Romney and Obama on both fiscal and social issues.

With Romney Fiscal and Social Conservatives have a seat at the table, while Obama will actively promote everything real Conservatives are against.

By 2016 everything Conservatives claim to be so passionate about will be legislated.

As Roe V Wade should of taught Conservatives once something is legislated it become almost impossible to undo.

Once 2016 rolls around the Judiciary will be so packed with Obamabots anything Conservatives DID manage to legislate would simply be undone by Judicial Fiat.

If Obama is reelected there will be nothing left to win.

After another 4 year term of Obama the USA will be a European style 1 party state with a state directed media, that will allow just enough political window dressing from a “loyal opposition” to keep their peon classes passive.

And those of you who feel your political sour grapes are more important then the future of your country will have been the active allies of that destruction.

46 posted on 10/08/2012 10:22:12 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: William Tell

Thank you, that’s an excellent summation on why we have to fight hard to protect the Electoral College. A good example is Pennsylvania. The state on the whole is very conservative and we hold our own with local and some state-wide races, yet the winner-take-all system gives our electoral votes to the democrats because of massive vote fraud in Presidential years in cities like Philadelphia. If the country as a whole worked in that manner with the popular vote for Presidency, every White House going forward would be hard left-wing.


47 posted on 10/08/2012 10:30:52 AM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: old and tired

It wasn’t the booing Israel for me. God has quite pointedly expressed what happens to those who curse His chosen. The booing God makes me afraid for the very country. If those idiots could not understand, at a visceral level, what that sounded like to the rest of the country, then we deserve what will happen to us as a country.


48 posted on 10/08/2012 10:47:25 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Tamzee

Thank you for posting that information.


49 posted on 10/08/2012 10:52:24 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Government's solution to everything: Less freedom.)
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To: William Tell
Those who support third-parties fail to deal with the reality that they will NEVER be a winning party

Not everyone who votes third-party thinks they'll win.

50 posted on 10/08/2012 10:57:05 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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