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With Biden Up Next to Debate, Obama’s Aides Plot Comeback
New York Times ^ | October 7, 2012 | PETER BAKER and TRIP GABRIEL

Posted on 10/08/2012 5:26:41 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

WASHINGTON — President Obama’s campaign is working feverishly to restore its momentum after a lackluster debate performance last week, an effort that began with a conference call 10 minutes before the debate even ended and led to new advertisements, a rewritten stump speech, a carefully timed leak and a reversal of months-old strategy.

Perhaps most important as the president’s team struggles to put his campaign back on track is a renewed effort to win the three remaining debates, starting with Thursday’s face-off between Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Representative Paul D. Ryan. Mr. Biden began traveling to a Delaware hotel on Sunday for three days of debate camp.

Under the tutelage of David Axelrod, the president’s chief strategist who is personally overseeing the preparations, Mr. Biden will be counseled on how to avoid Mr. Obama’s mistakes and even correct them with a more aggressive prosecution of the Republican ticket. Mr. Axelrod’s involvement highlights the stakes the Obama campaign places on the debate, and Mr. Biden has been reading “Young Guns,” the book co-written by Mr. Ryan, and practicing attack lines that Mr. Obama avoided.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; biden; ryan
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I would caution that Ryan should avoid being overconfident in this debate with Biden, and that maybe we observers shouldn't get our expectations too high. Even though Joe is a well-known gaffe machine, as others have pointed out he's also an experienced debater, not to mention an accomplished BS-er.
1 posted on 10/08/2012 5:26:45 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

To “plot” a comeback, they’ll need to “plant” a brain.


2 posted on 10/08/2012 5:27:58 AM PDT by albie ("Work as if you were to live a hundred years. Pray as if you were to die tomorrow." Benjamin Frankli)
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To: albie

Someone said Jon f’n Cary might stand in for the veep who has come down with the flu...


3 posted on 10/08/2012 5:30:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

What are they planning, replace one of Bidens eyes with a laser to blind Ryan?

Or will Biden dress up as Big Bird?


4 posted on 10/08/2012 5:31:36 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Eye of Unk

Clearly, their strategy is hail-mary’ish; they’ll be looking for a zinger or gaffe that they can pre-plan and rehearse; one that has no dependencies on anything Ryan would say before OR after. If needed, they’ll work it out with the moderator... or the podium setup crew... or the TV cameras... WHATEVER IT TAKES.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 5:36:06 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

All Ryan has to do is ask ol Joe where the stimulus money that he was supposed to personally oversee went.

I already have the popcorn ready for when Joe tries to do basic math on live national television.


6 posted on 10/08/2012 5:36:26 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: Eye of Unk
Just for giggles and laughs ...

What if Biden does to Ryan what Romney did to zero ..

What would the dims do?

Switch focus off zero and on to Biden?

How could the zero administration be spun if the veep was the only viable entry?

Remember ... I pose this as a fantasy for Chrissy.

7 posted on 10/08/2012 5:36:35 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Biden can be a bully, I expect he will try to push Ryan around, and make Ryan look “small”. Although he is a bufoon, I think most underestimate Joe when it comes to what else he is capable of. This wont be the same as Joe debating “a girl” like last time.


8 posted on 10/08/2012 5:38:39 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If it takes 6 days to prep Biden for a debate with Mitt Romney, imagine how long it would take to prep him for dealing with the outbreak of war between Iran and Israel

Not that we have to worry about Biden ever being the President and leader of the free world

...right?


9 posted on 10/08/2012 5:39:01 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

GIven that Ryan had no problem correcting Obama’s lies, directly to his face, in a public forum, I don’t imagine any of Biden’s whoppers will survive.

Ryan needs to avoid taking the bait on set up questions or assertions, because that would be the Axelrod/Biden model.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 5:39:29 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Reading this article reminded me of John Belushi in The Blues Brothers streaming excuses for standing up Carrie Fisher at the alter.
11 posted on 10/08/2012 5:42:48 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: Paradox

Paul Ryan has been dealing with bloviating blowhards like braindead Joe for all his life

I think he will do just fine. Assuming the GOP wants to win this race and not throw it like last time

I wonder if Sarah Palin is helping prep him? Joe didn’t get away with bullying her

Who wants to bet Joe brings up his dead wife and child to pander for a sympathy vote?


12 posted on 10/08/2012 5:43:15 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Four years without a budget. N5 trillion more in debt. 1 trillion deficits,

Joe may attack Ryan’s plans but we’re living the Obama plan already.


13 posted on 10/08/2012 5:43:37 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
“With Paul Ryan, it’s a different dynamic” than when he debated Sarah Palin in 2008, said Jennifer Granholm, a former Michigan governor who played Ms. Palin in debate practice then. The vice president “can go hard on policy.”

Jennifer Granholm

14 posted on 10/08/2012 5:45:38 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: C210N

Biden is a Sagittarius, so am I, he is a few years older than me, I doubt he has a very flexible memory, I do know what can addle me and that is someone who rambles on and on with technical numbers, I’ll grow bored immediately, or with my bad hearing I’ll interpret a sentence incorrectly.

So I could predict Biden will be easily sidetracked by himself if he has to make a long commentary, I often ramble on explaing something in too much detail to the point I forgot what the whole conversation was about. Ryan could try that tactic, make Biden explain thins in detail, he will rtun off on a tangent, something sagittarians are also famous for.


15 posted on 10/08/2012 5:46:03 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Unlike Zero (who may have engaged in the very first "real" political debate of his entire career last Wednesday *) I doubt Ryan will go into this cold and unprepared.

But even if Biden does acceptable well -- recalling that Sarah Palin won the last debate -- then there is the unfavorable comparison is between Biden's performance and Obama's performance -- and the question arises as to how someone who is in need of a brain transplant could possibly out-debate Obama.

(*)"Honey, I Shrunk the President"

"Think about it: John McCain was feeble. Alan Keyes, whom Obama beat in his 2004 Senate campaign, was crazy. All the Democrats who ran in 2008 were preposterous except Hillary Clinton, and she, as a beneficiary of nepotism, was highly overrated as a politician. He used Chicago-style dirty tricks to dispatch his original opponent in 2004, as well as the state senator he replaced back in the 1990s. The test he failed last night is one to which he had never been put."

16 posted on 10/08/2012 5:47:16 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Here’s the problem for Obama and his campaign:

He’s a failure as President. The only way he can win re-election is to make the campaign be about the Republican candidate, and define that candidate as negatively as possible.

So that’s what they did — and they did it quite well. But, by defining Romney as a cross between Thurston Howell and Gordon Gekko, they had a problem — what if Romney got up on stage and didn’t fit the caricature?

Obama’s loss wasn’t about Obama not using this line or that line — it was about Romney not fitting the caricature and appearing to be a reasonable alternative to Obama for the undecideds (2/3rds of whom think the country is on the wrong track).

Obama will certainly do better in the next debate, but the question is how exactly is he going to make the flesh and blood Romney look like the guy they savage in their ads? A couple zingers aren’t going to do that.

Obama’s people turned this campaign from a referendum on Obama’s performance into a referendum on whether Romney is an acceptable alternative. Given Obama’s track record, that was their best option. Their problem now is that Romney, post-debate, doesn’t fit that caricature, and all the “Obama came out much better tonight” post-debate MSNBC garbage next week won’t change that.

Romney’s goal is to again sound reasonable, fend off attacks, and continually drive home the President’s failures. If he does that, he’ll win no matter what zingers Obama unleashes.


17 posted on 10/08/2012 5:50:19 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Pretty sad when all you have to hang your hopes on is Bite Me.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 5:50:44 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Plugs is an experienced debater. And nasty. For Ryan it’ll be like being locked in a small room with a 180 lb wharf rat with the leftmedia trying to help the rat.

Don’t expect great things out Ryan under the circumstances. He’ll do well if he holds his own.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 5:51:21 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: Aevery_Freeman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvujknrBuE&feature=fvwrel


20 posted on 10/08/2012 5:53:38 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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