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I would caution that Ryan should avoid being overconfident in this debate with Biden, and that maybe we observers shouldn't get our expectations too high. Even though Joe is a well-known gaffe machine, as others have pointed out he's also an experienced debater, not to mention an accomplished BS-er.
1 posted on 10/08/2012 5:26:45 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To “plot” a comeback, they’ll need to “plant” a brain.


2 posted on 10/08/2012 5:27:58 AM PDT by albie ("Work as if you were to live a hundred years. Pray as if you were to die tomorrow." Benjamin Frankli)
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What are they planning, replace one of Bidens eyes with a laser to blind Ryan?

Or will Biden dress up as Big Bird?


4 posted on 10/08/2012 5:31:36 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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All Ryan has to do is ask ol Joe where the stimulus money that he was supposed to personally oversee went.

I already have the popcorn ready for when Joe tries to do basic math on live national television.


6 posted on 10/08/2012 5:36:26 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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Biden can be a bully, I expect he will try to push Ryan around, and make Ryan look “small”. Although he is a bufoon, I think most underestimate Joe when it comes to what else he is capable of. This wont be the same as Joe debating “a girl” like last time.


8 posted on 10/08/2012 5:38:39 AM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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If it takes 6 days to prep Biden for a debate with Mitt Romney, imagine how long it would take to prep him for dealing with the outbreak of war between Iran and Israel

Not that we have to worry about Biden ever being the President and leader of the free world

...right?


9 posted on 10/08/2012 5:39:01 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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GIven that Ryan had no problem correcting Obama’s lies, directly to his face, in a public forum, I don’t imagine any of Biden’s whoppers will survive.

Ryan needs to avoid taking the bait on set up questions or assertions, because that would be the Axelrod/Biden model.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 5:39:29 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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Reading this article reminded me of John Belushi in The Blues Brothers streaming excuses for standing up Carrie Fisher at the alter.
11 posted on 10/08/2012 5:42:48 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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Four years without a budget. N5 trillion more in debt. 1 trillion deficits,

Joe may attack Ryan’s plans but we’re living the Obama plan already.


13 posted on 10/08/2012 5:43:37 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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“With Paul Ryan, it’s a different dynamic” than when he debated Sarah Palin in 2008, said Jennifer Granholm, a former Michigan governor who played Ms. Palin in debate practice then. The vice president “can go hard on policy.”

Jennifer Granholm

14 posted on 10/08/2012 5:45:38 AM PDT by Paladin2
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Unlike Zero (who may have engaged in the very first "real" political debate of his entire career last Wednesday *) I doubt Ryan will go into this cold and unprepared.

But even if Biden does acceptable well -- recalling that Sarah Palin won the last debate -- then there is the unfavorable comparison is between Biden's performance and Obama's performance -- and the question arises as to how someone who is in need of a brain transplant could possibly out-debate Obama.

(*)"Honey, I Shrunk the President"

"Think about it: John McCain was feeble. Alan Keyes, whom Obama beat in his 2004 Senate campaign, was crazy. All the Democrats who ran in 2008 were preposterous except Hillary Clinton, and she, as a beneficiary of nepotism, was highly overrated as a politician. He used Chicago-style dirty tricks to dispatch his original opponent in 2004, as well as the state senator he replaced back in the 1990s. The test he failed last night is one to which he had never been put."

16 posted on 10/08/2012 5:47:16 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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Here’s the problem for Obama and his campaign:

He’s a failure as President. The only way he can win re-election is to make the campaign be about the Republican candidate, and define that candidate as negatively as possible.

So that’s what they did — and they did it quite well. But, by defining Romney as a cross between Thurston Howell and Gordon Gekko, they had a problem — what if Romney got up on stage and didn’t fit the caricature?

Obama’s loss wasn’t about Obama not using this line or that line — it was about Romney not fitting the caricature and appearing to be a reasonable alternative to Obama for the undecideds (2/3rds of whom think the country is on the wrong track).

Obama will certainly do better in the next debate, but the question is how exactly is he going to make the flesh and blood Romney look like the guy they savage in their ads? A couple zingers aren’t going to do that.

Obama’s people turned this campaign from a referendum on Obama’s performance into a referendum on whether Romney is an acceptable alternative. Given Obama’s track record, that was their best option. Their problem now is that Romney, post-debate, doesn’t fit that caricature, and all the “Obama came out much better tonight” post-debate MSNBC garbage next week won’t change that.

Romney’s goal is to again sound reasonable, fend off attacks, and continually drive home the President’s failures. If he does that, he’ll win no matter what zingers Obama unleashes.


17 posted on 10/08/2012 5:50:19 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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Pretty sad when all you have to hang your hopes on is Bite Me.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 5:50:44 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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Plugs is an experienced debater. And nasty. For Ryan it’ll be like being locked in a small room with a 180 lb wharf rat with the leftmedia trying to help the rat.

Don’t expect great things out Ryan under the circumstances. He’ll do well if he holds his own.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 5:51:21 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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Maybe they can put that robot that played Jeopardy n a Joe Biden suit for the debate.


22 posted on 10/08/2012 5:57:21 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker (Oppose Senate Amendment S.A. 2575! I need more than 10 rounds in my magazine.)
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Maybe they can put that robot that played Jeopardy in a Joe Biden suit for the debate.


23 posted on 10/08/2012 5:57:26 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker (Oppose Senate Amendment S.A. 2575! I need more than 10 rounds in my magazine.)
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” - - - Mr. Obama made clear to advisers that he was not happy about debating Mr. Romney, whom he views with disdain. It was something to endure, rather than an opportunity, aides said.”

This quote from the NYT article exposes Obama’s arrogance.

Biden will try to compensate for Obama on this topic.

While Biden is off on that wrong track, Ryan needs to attack the Obama-Biden team on their irresponsible financial stewardship.


24 posted on 10/08/2012 5:58:49 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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RE :”Under the tutelage of David Axelrod, the president’s chief strategist who is personally overseeing the preparations, Mr. Biden will be counseled on how to avoid Mr. Obama’s mistakes and even correct them with a more aggressive prosecution of the Republican ticket. Mr. Axelrod’s involvement highlights the stakes the Obama campaign places on the debate, and Mr. Biden has been reading “Young Guns,” the book co-written by Mr. Ryan, and practicing attack lines that Mr. Obama avoided.

No surprise, Old Mad dog joeBiden is going in for the kill.
We will see if the boy wonder budget wiz kid is prepared for 2 hours of attacks on Romney and himself.

This will be a completely different show than that first debate. If Ryan stays on offensive we will know he won, if Biden draws him off to mostly defense then it wont be good, as Romney isnt the failed POTUS.
Although I can predict 99.9% posters on this site will say that Ryan won even if they miss the debate :)

25 posted on 10/08/2012 5:59:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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Mr. Biden has been reading “Young Guns,”

More likely Slo Joe's been watching the movie over and over and over again, wondering if that's the same guy who played the jock in Breakfast Club.
26 posted on 10/08/2012 6:00:31 AM PDT by tanknetter
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Neither Romney or Ryan are doing this as naive schoolboys.

They took their debate prep seriously and have been on it for weeks.

He isn’t going in cold. I hope he is confident!


27 posted on 10/08/2012 6:00:54 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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Neither Romney or Ryan are doing this as naive schoolboys.

They took their debate prep seriously and have been on it for weeks.

He isn’t going in cold. I hope he is confident!


28 posted on 10/08/2012 6:00:58 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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