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Lost Bet on Unemployment
Townhall.com ^ | October 8, 2012 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 10/08/2012 6:53:36 AM PDT by Kaslin

>On Friday, I lost a bet made in March of 2010 regarding unemployment. I bet that the unemployment rate would not dip below 8% before June 2015.

I crunched numbers many ways and simply decided there is no way the economy could possibly grow enough jobs. It didn't and still won't.

I posted this chart at the time.
 
At the height of the housing bubble, the economy only added 212,000 jobs a month. I figured we would not come close to that, yet even if we did, that still would not be enough.

A miscalculation got into my way, otherwise known as a plunge in the participation rate.  I knew full well the participation rate would drop on account of boomer demographics. But I never expected the plunge we got.

Monthly Job Growth 1999-2009



Were it not for millions dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate, even with the September barrage in part-time jobs would still be over 10%.

Had I made a similar bet on employment, rather than unemployment, the bet would still be going on. Interestingly, that bet would not have seemed as good to me at the time because the economy is naturally growing and employment with it.

Total Nonfarm Employment



Employment Just About at June 2005 Level

As you can see, employment has only recovered to a level seen in 2005. That is in spite of the fact the worker population expands every month (at least in theory). Bernanke thinks it takes 100,000-125,000 jobs a month to keep the unemployment rate steady.

I think because of demographics, it probably only takes 75,000 jobs a month.

However, at some point in a recovery, the participation rate starts to rise as discouraged workers return to the work force. Accounting for the return of those discouraged workers to the job force, assume it takes 100,000 jobs a month to hold the unemployment rate steady.

That amounts to 1.2 million per year and 3.6 million in three years (3.9 million since the recession ended).

Month-by-Month Employment Totals (in Thousands)

Month Employment
2010-01-01 129279
2010-02-01 129244
2010-03-01 129433
2010-04-01 129672
2010-05-01 130188
2010-06-01 130021
2010-07-01 129963
2010-08-01 129912
2010-09-01 129885
2010-10-01 130105
2010-11-01 130226
2010-12-01 130346
2011-01-01 130456
2011-02-01 130676
2011-03-01 130922
2011-04-01 131173
2011-05-01 131227
2011-06-01 131311
2011-07-01 131407
2011-08-01 131492
2011-09-01 131694
2011-10-01 131806
2011-11-01 131963
2011-12-01 132186
2012-01-01 132461
2012-02-01 132720
2012-03-01 132863
2012-04-01 132931
2012-05-01 133018
2012-06-01 133063
2012-07-01 133244
2012-08-01 133386
2012-09-01 133500


Number Flashback


Numbers and chart from Fred - St. Louis Fed - PAYEMS.

The recession ended in June of 2009, and here we are, over three years into a recovery, with actual employment below where it was in June of 2005.

Starting from the end of the recession, and looking to hold the unemployment rate flat since then (assuming 100,000 jobs per month required), employment would need to be at 130.503 million + 3.9 million (a total of 134,403 million). As you can see, we are about 900,000 jobs short!

Statistically speaking, the expectation is the unemployment rate should have risen from the level it was at in June 2009. It would have, except for the amazing drop in the participation rate. In terms of employment, I had the right idea but made the wrong bet. Bryan Caplan wins.


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1 posted on 10/08/2012 6:53:37 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I think I’d hold off on paying that bet.

Numbers have a way of being “revised” in a month or two.


2 posted on 10/08/2012 7:09:33 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: Kaslin

“>On Friday, I lost a bet made in March of 2010 regarding unemployment. I bet that the unemployment rate would not dip below 8% before June 2015.”

You didn’t lose. Unemployment is 17%-20%.

Obama’s cronies are just lying about unemployment. Like everything else.

Every person looking for a job knows just how bad it is.


3 posted on 10/08/2012 7:10:14 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Kaslin

another factor is the explosion of disability claims.
which further “improves” the job numbers...


4 posted on 10/08/2012 7:17:11 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Elendur
another factor is the explosion of disability claims.

Bingo. My first clue was this past spring when a neighbor, in his mid 40's, not in great physical shape but not obviously disabled, got his SSI approved. Obviously word got out that if you applied you'd be rubber-stamped. Now he spends his days drinking and watching porn.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 7:24:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Elendur

The leftist kneejerk reaction to people pointing out the explosion in disability claims is laughable.

Of course they’re going to try to paint those who point this explosion out as “heartless toward the disabled”.

But that’s supposing that nearly every new claim is actually legitimately from someone that is newly disabled.

Simply ask the question - “What catastrophic event occurred this year injured that many people to the point they could no longer physically work? I must have missed that!”


6 posted on 10/08/2012 7:29:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Another factor may be Welfare to Work. Where many who had to seek employment, no longer do. (They can go to school instead)


7 posted on 10/08/2012 7:31:30 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (ZERO DARK THIRTY (coming soon to an embassy near you))
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To: Kaslin

Poor guy. He lost is his bet, not because of an improved employment situation, but because the employment situation is now hopeless for so many people.


8 posted on 10/08/2012 7:37:06 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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