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Obama: Green energy not ‘socialist plot’
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Posted on 10/08/2012 9:09:14 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Obama: Green energy not ‘socialist plot’ By Ben Geman - 10/08/12 09:59 AM ET

President Obama quipped Sunday night that energy efficiency initiatives are not a “socialist plot” in remarks that contrasted his energy policies with rival Mitt Romney’s.

The president, fundraising in Los Angeles, addressed energy during a $25,000-per-plate dinner with backers that included actor George Clooney.

“On energy, I’m big on oil and gas, and developing clean coal technology, but I also believe that if we’re ever going to have control of our energy future, then we’ve got to invest in solar and wind and biofuels, and that it does make sense for us to double our fuel-efficiency standards on cars,” Obama said, according to a White House transcript.

“And that's not a socialist plot for us to reduce our energy usage,” Obama said to laughter, according to the transcript. “It’s the smart thing to do. It’s right for our national energy. It’s right for our economy. It’s right for the environment. [Romney] disagrees.”

Obama didn’t get specific about Romney's alleged disagreement.

But the GOP nominee in late August bashed new auto mileage rules for model years 2017-2025 that will ultimately require automakers to build cars and light trucks with a fleet-wide average of 54.5 miles-per-gallon.

Romney, through a spokeswoman, called the standards “extreme,” and said they will “limit the choices available to American families.”

The Romney campaign also emphasized the higher up-front costs of the vehicles, while the Obama administration touted savings in fuel costs over time and reduced oil consumption. (Click here for much more on the rules.)

While energy efficiency programs often have bipartisan support, various federal standards have drawn pushback from some Republicans who call them undue federal intrusion into consumer choices.

House Republicans, over the last two years, have sought to roll back lightbulb efficiency standards contained in a bipartisan 2007 energy law.


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KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012issues; bhoenergy; bhofascism; bhosocialism; envirowhackos; greenfraud; greens; obama; youlie
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1 posted on 10/08/2012 9:09:16 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Of course it’s a freaking Socialist plot.


2 posted on 10/08/2012 9:10:15 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Sub-Driver

Green energy is a socialist plot. Duly noted, Mr. Liar.


3 posted on 10/08/2012 9:12:53 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Ha! The socialist plot telling us it’s not a socialist plot.

To quote Col. Potter, “Mule cookies.”


4 posted on 10/08/2012 9:13:17 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: babble-on

It’s possible to not know that it’s a socialist plot,
it’s possible to believe it’s not a socialist plot.

It’s possible to be a useful idiot who wants to feel good about himself for caring about the “erf” and wanting “green” energy that “doesn’t hurt the erf”.

But 0bama is not in one of the above categories. He knows that “green energy” is a vehicle to advance global communism and enrich his supporters with taxpayer money in the process.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 9:13:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes it is, you gelded bullsh!t maker.


6 posted on 10/08/2012 9:15:40 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama loved the poor so much, he created millions more.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Mr. Big Talker comes up with silly rebuttals days after the debate. He is making himself look even more pathetic, if that’s possible.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 9:16:20 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Romney vs Obama, Round One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyNxHOZiQPA)
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To: Sub-Driver

Uh, “big on oil”, what for french fries?


8 posted on 10/08/2012 9:16:30 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Sub-Driver

He should tout the energy saved from people not driving to their former jobs.


9 posted on 10/08/2012 9:16:41 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Sub-Driver

If it wasn’t a Socialist Plot then “WE” wouldn’t have to “invest” in it at all! People looking to make a profit would gladly handle that.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 9:17:12 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Sub-Driver

How about a Marxist plot?


11 posted on 10/08/2012 9:17:21 AM PDT by maggief
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To: MrB

I don’t know about global communism, I can even see “green energy” as a way (a misguided, incredibly expensive way) of reducing our dependence on energy produced by the world’s worst dictatorships,

but definitely it was primarily a way to funnel government resources to an inefficient wasteful industry, in the most inefficient and wasteful conceivable fashion possible, unsecured lending.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 9:17:35 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Sub-Driver
I also believe that if we’re ever going to have control of our energy future, then we’ve got to invest in solar and wind and biofuels, and that it does make sense for us to double our fuel-efficiency standards on cars,” Obama said, according to a White House transcript.

“And that's not a socialist plot for us to reduce our energy usage,”

If the government controls the means of production, and it is the government's responsibility to decide how they are to be used, then it is a form of socialism.

13 posted on 10/08/2012 9:17:45 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Vince Ferrer
He should tout the energy saved from people not driving to their former jobs.

Best laugh of the day here. Thanks for posting that.

14 posted on 10/08/2012 9:18:38 AM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Sub-Driver

Well it certainly is a fraud, scam, and excuse to loot the public trough.


15 posted on 10/08/2012 9:18:51 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Sub-Driver

No its actually more of a fascist scam that even Hitler would have found stupid.


16 posted on 10/08/2012 9:19:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Sub-Driver
The socialists push the idea and then the well intentioned people who listen to them create something that often goes out of control. One such glaring example is The EPA
17 posted on 10/08/2012 9:19:47 AM PDT by Baynative
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To: babble-on

“reducing our dependence on foreign energy”
is another excuse they provide to people who WANT to believe that’s the goal.

If that wasn’t a lie, then we’d be developing our own “fossil fuel” resources in our country like gangbusters. It’s exposed as a lie, or a false goal, by the fact that he’s shutting down all domestic sources of energy development.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 9:20:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, it’s sure not an economic miracle either!

Unless, you consider losing trillions of dollars but getting reelected a miracle.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 9:21:47 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: Sub-Driver
It's a way of distributing money to friends, supporters and enablers.


20 posted on 10/08/2012 9:23:24 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Sub-Driver

Solar Trust of America: FAIL! - Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012

Bright Source: FAIL! - Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Bright Source lost billions of dollars but is getting more money to keep trying. Can you say, “This isn’t working Mr. President?”

Solyndra: FAIL! - Obama gave $500,000,000 (that’s a HALF BILLION!) in taxpayer money to Solyndra who shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 after billions in losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! Barack Obama was not vetted before being elected President and neither was Solyndra before Mr. Obama threw that taxpayer money down the drain of unproven technology.

LSP Energy: FAIL! - LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012

Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL! – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy

Abound Solar: FAIL! - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy. Many of these failed corporations, such as Abound, donated MILLIONS and continue to donate to Barack Obama’s campaign. Can you say, “Democrat Slush Fund”? Yes this is illegal. But Democrats are being protected from being prosecuted, for now.

SunPower: FAIL! - SunPower stopped producing solar cells in 2011 at near bankruptcy then restructured with the help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL, Inc. who owns 60% stake in SunPower. Irony? The company is still struggling.

Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.

Ecotality: FAIL! - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, who wants to do some more of this kind of Democrat Slush Fund Guarantees after he is elected to a 2nd term.

A123 Solar: FAIL! - A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.

UniSolar: FAIL! - Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20, 2012 after laying off hundreds of workers. UniSolar received even more Obama money after showing now progress, no profits and is still failing… yet they still remain in business with Obama’s help.

Azure Dynamics: FAIL! - Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.

Evergreen Solar: FAIL! - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.

Ener1: FAIL! Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.


21 posted on 10/08/2012 9:23:24 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (You didn't build that. The private sector is doing fine. We tried our plan and it worked.)
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To: Sub-Driver
It's a way of distributing money to friends, supporters and enablers.


22 posted on 10/08/2012 9:23:32 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’m big on oil and gas, and developing clean coal technology,
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I am sure all the folks still waiting to drill in the Gulf and all the out of work coal miners and coal fired electric workers who got laid off will be glad to hear vthis.


23 posted on 10/08/2012 9:25:16 AM PDT by Venturer
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24 posted on 10/08/2012 9:25:31 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: Sub-Driver

He is right.
“Green Energy” is a criminal plot to loot the treasury, enrich cronies, and launder tax money back into Democrat coffers.


25 posted on 10/08/2012 9:25:40 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Fox had a special on it last night. Now on their website.

Obama is big on straw man arguments. State an argument your opponent never made and defend that rather than defending the legitimate criticism he did raise.

So “we spent 90 billion on green jobs, many from companies run by your big donors and many of the businesses were losers leaving taxpayers holding the bad.”

“Green energy isn’t a socialist plot.”

Notice the big leap creating the straw man. He’s rarely called on this bs.


26 posted on 10/08/2012 9:27:17 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Sub-Driver

How’s that $5/gal working out for you CA? Guess those starlets don’t have to worry about that.

Pray for America


27 posted on 10/08/2012 9:28:09 AM PDT by bray (If you vote for a communist what does that make you?)
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To: babble-on
Never believe anything until it's been officially denied.

28 posted on 10/08/2012 9:29:18 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: babble-on

By responding to a question that wasn’t truly put to him Obama makes our point for us! Green Energy is not only a “socialist plot” it’s uneconomical.

The point should be made by venture-capitalist Mitt Romney that the government needs to stay out of venture capitalism as well as all the meddling that they do. Obama couldn’t run a lemonade stand without screwing it up.


29 posted on 10/08/2012 9:30:28 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Sub-Driver

With his response, Obama has indicated that a nerve was struck with the green energy/socialist claim. Obviously there is some merit to it, or it wouldn’t have deserved a response.


30 posted on 10/08/2012 9:31:21 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: Venturer

It sure as hell ain’t about green energy. If it were they wouldn’t be spending all the money tearing out dams that could actually be producing green energy consistently.


31 posted on 10/08/2012 9:31:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, a brilliant and totally credible rebuttal from the Communist in Chief. [/s]


32 posted on 10/08/2012 9:31:59 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Sub-Driver
Bret Baier’s report last night must have really gotten under his shin. Gregg Jarrett did a lot of the reporting and really dug up some good stuff the Progressives are still trying to hide.
33 posted on 10/08/2012 9:32:04 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Shove it up your personal smelly Obama, Obama.

You couldn’t pass an elementary school course on science, and you most certainly shouldn’t be making any decisions on energy save for turning off the light switch in the White House when we send your sorry as...er...smelly Obama back to the loathsome place you were born in...butthole.


34 posted on 10/08/2012 9:32:04 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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Excuse me but it is a Socialist Accomplishment!

Hitler's Mein Kampf was the blueprint for his party and was stated in socialist terms. N.A.Z.I. meant national socialism where the government controlled the people and Industry!

During WWII the German Chemical Engineers converted coal to Gasoline, Aviation fuel, Diesel fuel and Natural gas which was used to fuel the NAZI war machine and industry.

These plans were captured and brought to the US where they were archived for 30 years at Texas A&M.

In 1976 they were rediscovered in the archives and Coal gasification was reclaimed . OPEC tried to avert investment but the first plant was built in Beulah North Dakota in 1982. It just celebrated its 30th year of operation. Fortunately Our Brainiac president Obumsted has directed his energy department to solve this problem within 10 years. It would only take one year to walk from DC to North Dakota but....

35 posted on 10/08/2012 9:33:25 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Good reference list.


36 posted on 10/08/2012 9:35:08 AM PDT by ocr1 (Sowell FTW)
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To: babble-on

No, Mr. Obama, Green energy isn’t a socialist plot. It is merely a socialist pipe dream and yet another silly fad over which the Bobby-soxers of the left are currently swooning. In the end, it will go the way of last year’s pipe dreams: electric cars, corn ethanol and properly inflated tires. Please shut up before you embarass yourself further.


37 posted on 10/08/2012 9:36:31 AM PDT by irish_links
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To: Sub-Driver
...his ears wiggle when he lies.....
38 posted on 10/08/2012 9:37:09 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Sub-Driver

Instead of attacking the basic changes in energy supply created by this regime which are directly contributing to the recipients dependency on whatever the regime is handing out ,by design.

Too many pundits draw from their limited personal immediate surrounding and life style are attacking the recipients with condemnation for using what a one time was termed “relief” .They are demonstrating they haven’t a clue what a retiree on a fixed income or even those out of work are going through at this time. And that’s the problem.

You have a regime which by design are driving up the costs and uses of energy the US’s most a basic resource because it suits its socialist matrix. What’s even worse is the massive corrpution resulting from that regime doling out tons of funds for so called alternate forms which don’t work towards its campaign donners. That’s getting a pass even by the Romney campaign and a huge mistake because this policy affects everyone. It is a bread a butter issue.


39 posted on 10/08/2012 9:37:55 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great para/p)
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To: Sub-Driver

Sound Transit (train) project downtown Tacoma, Lakewood ($433,333 / Rider)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2941800/posts

“We could pay people $55,000 to stay home for over a decade, and it would surely have been cheaper.”


40 posted on 10/08/2012 9:37:55 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (You didn't build that. The private sector is doing fine. We tried our plan and it worked.)
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To: Sub-Driver

That is ALL that “green energy” is!

Did you see the Fox special last night that addressed the meaning of “Sustainable”?

Amazingly, since 2007, there are now 600 colleges and universities, across America, that have “sustainability” as the most recent incarnation of COMMUNISM, as their top indoctrination priority.

It includes intimidation to accept gay “marriage” and a requirement that white students admit that they are racist.


41 posted on 10/08/2012 9:39:20 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama says ““On energy, I’m big on oil and gas, and developing clean coal technology...”

HE IS A LIAR.

LIES, LIES and MORE LIES.


42 posted on 10/08/2012 9:43:26 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Sub-Driver

“On energy, I’m big on oil and gas, and developing clean coal technology****

We’ve had clean coal technology for some time, but that has never been the shape shifter’s goal. He was much more honest back in 2008 when he stated, “so if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

The man has declared war on oil, natgas and coal and his EPA has become the major impediment to our achieving energy independence.


43 posted on 10/08/2012 9:46:55 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: Sub-Driver

“On energy, I’m big on oil and gas, and developing clean coal technology****

We’ve had clean coal technology for some time, but that has never been the shape shifter’s goal. He was much more honest back in 2008 when he stated, “so if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”

The man has declared war on oil, natgas and coal and his EPA has become the major impediment to our achieving energy independence.


44 posted on 10/08/2012 9:47:11 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: Sub-Driver

Liar!


45 posted on 10/08/2012 9:47:33 AM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Sub-Driver

Of course not! At least not to a marxist!


46 posted on 10/08/2012 9:50:15 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Young Werther

I tell I’ve no doubt that the N.A.Z.I. party is now rising in the United States, and it will be up to Americans to defeat it again.


47 posted on 10/08/2012 9:55:50 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Another day, another Straw Man argument.

No one ever said "Green Energy" was a socialist plot. It is a gargantuan waste of taxpayer money, however. And it's not an "investment", either. The government has no money to invest. It can only spend what it taxes away from producers or prints out of thin air.

Twenty-nine days until we're rid of this Marxist, quasi-Kenyan prick, people. Just twenty-nine days. Pray.

48 posted on 10/08/2012 9:56:52 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum: "I think, therefore I am armed".)
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To: Sub-Driver
In the wake of the email scandal (of which the public was not informed) Gov'ts have all backed away from Kyoto.

The rhetoric now is all a lie...even though they're still scaring island nations to death by claiming they will soon be swamped by the seas they don't even have the junk science anymore to support it.

Yes, this is definitely all a socialist plot to get control of the wealth created from energy...nothing more.

49 posted on 10/08/2012 10:05:08 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Sub-Driver

Take away the Tax Credit that Wind Generators make and watch how fast they shut down.


50 posted on 10/08/2012 10:06:35 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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