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Ark. GOP Calls Candidates' Statements 'Offensive' (Called Slavery 'A Blessing in Disguise')
Yahoo via AP ^ | October 7, 2012 | CHUCK BARTELS | Associated Press

Posted on 10/08/2012 9:59:49 AM PDT by lbryce

Arkansas Republicans tried to distance themselves Saturday from a Republican state representative's assertion that slavery was a "blessing in disguise" and a Republican state House candidate who advocates deporting all Muslims.

The claims were made in books written, respectively, by Rep. Jon Hubbard of Jonesboro and House candidate Charlie Fuqua of Batesville. Those books received attention on Internet news sites Friday.

On Saturday, state GOP Chairman Doyle Webb called the books "highly offensive." And U.S. Rep. Rick Crawford, a Republican who represents northeast Arkansas, called the writings "divisive and racially inflammatory."

Hubbard wrote in his 2009 self-published book, "Letters To The Editor: Confessions Of A Frustrated Conservative," that "the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise." He also wrote that African-Americans were better off than they would have been had they not been captured and shipped to the United States.

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I certainly don't agree with the representative's assertions that slavery was a blessing in disguise. It's like people who say that Hitler created the State of Israel. If you've got a convoluted, circumlocutory perspective on things, making bizarre statements about slavery being a blessing in disguise isn't too hard to make an argument for. You're going to get some people who agree but it would still be a ridiculous notion to espouse.
1 posted on 10/08/2012 9:59:54 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Oh Sheesh, how stupid and wrong can people be. Another Akin style clean up required in Missouri’s southern neighbor... Come on people, be smarter than this!


2 posted on 10/08/2012 10:05:16 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

It never fails.. just when things start to look up for the GOP, one or two downticket blurt some sh*t out and force two weeks of “walking back” remarks.


3 posted on 10/08/2012 10:09:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: lbryce

Jus' sayin'

4 posted on 10/08/2012 10:09:38 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: lbryce

There is an argument to be made, but it’s best left unsaid as it is too nuanced for popular consumption.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 10:10:39 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: lbryce

would people who are here because their ancestors arrived as slaves rather be living in Africa right now?


6 posted on 10/08/2012 10:12:05 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: Unam Sanctam
It is alot like saying Obama is a blessing in disguise.
Dead diplomats, dead Mexicans and boarder agents, dead economy, dead morality,dead constitution.
But it will wake true Americans to the near death of America.
7 posted on 10/08/2012 10:14:38 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: lbryce

I don’t think I call it a blessing, but I do note that darn few descendants of slaves would even consider visiting “the old country” let alone trade their miserable lives here for the unlimited opportunity there.


8 posted on 10/08/2012 10:14:53 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1357 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: lbryce
It's amazing that the AP can do such a thorough job with investigating state legislative candidates (Republicans), yet we're still waiting on them to investigate the Democrat candidate for President.
9 posted on 10/08/2012 10:16:27 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Would you submit yourself and next 15 generations of your descendants to slavery if you knew that in 300 hundred years your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild would have citizenship in the greatest country on the planet?


10 posted on 10/08/2012 10:17:44 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Unam Sanctam
Slavery has existed from the beginning of human existence, and still does in parts of Africa and Asia. If it did not exist, there would be a lot less humans(maybe a good thing) because conquering armies would just kill off the populations they conquered.

If Slavery had not existed when the US was created there would be very few Blacks here and had not they been exported here then they probably would have been killed or died of the barbarism that still exists in Africa.

From a genetics point of view, I believe that the inter mixing of races is a good thing.

So slavery is a good thing in that less people killed, and an genetically improved human.

11 posted on 10/08/2012 10:19:08 AM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: lbryce

This is a distraction....all AP-Obama has now is to distract from the disaster of a Presidency.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 10:20:35 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: lbryce

It was not a smart thing to say for anyone planning to run for political office. But in most cases, it was true.

In the first place, virtually all of the slaves shipped to America were enslaved by Muslim Arabs or fellow blacks, not by the ship captains, who merely received them at the landings.

In the second place, while the life of slaves on plantations wasn’t all roses, it was a lot better than what they likely would have experienced back in tribal Africa.

In the third place, after the slaves were freed, the segregationists wanted to ship them all back to Africa. Very few of them agreed, compared to the number who preferred to stay in America. Why was that? Because there was still oppression, slavery, tribal warfare, and extreme poverty back in Africa waiting for them. Liberia was a relative exception, but even the Liberians found it hard to keep their new freedoms.

In other words, this was a stupid thing to say because the media will inevitably twist it. Even though it’s true. Truth is no longer a factor in the MSM propaganda world.


13 posted on 10/08/2012 10:21:59 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: lbryce

I knew I’d heard that phrase before and I fount the article from November 2010.

Slavery: Was It A Blessing In Disguise?

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=197377


14 posted on 10/08/2012 10:21:59 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: lbryce

It is an irrefutable truth that the descendants of slaves are many times better off than if they’d never had a slave ancestor brought to the USA. It is also one of the most politically incorrect things that can be said in today’s PC world. (Even though an occasional African-American will acknowledge it.)


15 posted on 10/08/2012 10:25:14 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Aevery_Freeman

I can’t say I don’t know where you’re coming from or that I disagree with what you’re saying. To the descendants of slaves who live in the USA today they are certainly better off being here. But had there not been slavery their descendants would not be the same people so the argument of slavery descendants vs non-slavery is a tremendously difficult argument to make when comparing what actually happened with a scenario of what might have been.


16 posted on 10/08/2012 10:25:29 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO-"Now, I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" by way of Oppenheimer at Trinity, NM)
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To: Mr. K
would people who are here because their ancestors arrived as slaves rather be living in Africa right now?

Don't take this as a defense of slavery, as it's not.

But, the reality is that slaves were mostly sold into slavery by their own people. That's relatively well-known, if not always acknowledged.

However, slaves weren't just picked at random. They were the losers in Africa's own wars of conquest. If they hadn't been sold into slavery, they may have been executed instead.

17 posted on 10/08/2012 10:27:30 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Uncle Slayton
Not if I knew that Obama would eventually be in charge but considering the alternative.

Since blacks were only enslaved in the United States of America from about 1783 until 1865 and then only in a portion of the United states, you may have overstated the "greats."

A case could be made.

18 posted on 10/08/2012 10:27:52 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Extraordinarily well said, sentiments of which I emphatically, wholeheartedly agree with.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 10:30:06 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO-"Now, I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" by way of Oppenheimer at Trinity, NM)
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To: lbryce

Wasn’t it Muhammad Ali who said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat?”


20 posted on 10/08/2012 10:30:57 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: lbryce
Very true. All I am saying, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, is that a case could be made.

It was, after all, their own people that sold them to the whites. We were unable to go get them from the jungle.

21 posted on 10/08/2012 10:31:14 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Another Akin style clean up required

Exactly. There is no excuse for this nonsense. Making this statement now is the height of stupidity and the candidate should be kicked out of the party on the grounds of stupidity alone.

22 posted on 10/08/2012 10:31:14 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: lbryce
Pointing out that a bad thing may have had possible good side effects much later is not the same as advocating the bad thing.
Nor is it racist.
Context, intent, nuance, weighing factors for and against is completely lost on the hysterical left who only latch onto key words:
Mumble mumble slavery ... blessing ... WHAT!!! RACIST!!!

I don't particularly agree with the author, it would have been better for blacks to come here and work voluntarily with pay rather than as slaves.
The problem is that we cannot have an honest discussion about these issues without being EXTREMELY careful how it's worded, or it will set off some hidden trip wire and everything else said, even if in favor of the black community, will go down the drain.

23 posted on 10/08/2012 10:32:14 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: lbryce

I would say askthe Australians of today whether they would go back to England or if they feel they are entitled to reparations.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/first-australian-penal-colony-established

The first 736 convicts banished from England to Australia land in Botany Bay. Over the next 60 years, approximately 50,000 criminals were transported from Great Britain to the “land down under,” in one of the strangest episodes in criminal-justice history.

The accepted wisdom of the upper and ruling classes in 18th century England was that criminals were inherently defective. Thus, they could not be rehabilitated and simply required separation from the genetically pure and law-abiding citizens. Accordingly, lawbreakers had to be either killed or exiled, since prisons were too expensive. With the American victory in the Revolutionary War, transgressors could no longer be shipped off across the Atlantic, and the English looked for a colony in the other direction.

Captain Arthur Phillip, a tough but fair career naval officer, was charged with setting up the first penal colony in Australia. The convicts were chained beneath the deck during the entire hellish six-month voyage. The first voyage claimed the lives of nearly 10 percent of the prisoners, which remarkably proved to be a rather good rate. On later trips, up to a third of the unwilling passengers died on the way. These were not hardened criminals by any measure; only a small minority were transported for violent offenses. Among the first group was a 70-year-old woman who had stolen cheese to eat.

Although not confined behind bars, most convicts in Australia had an extremely tough life. The guards who volunteered for duty in Australia seemed to be driven by exceptional sadism. Even small violations of the rules could result in a punishment of 100 lashes by the cat o’nine tails. It was said that blood was usually drawn after five lashes and convicts ended up walking home in boots filled with their own blood—that is, if they were able to walk at all.
SNIP
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And then I would ask what is the difference between Australians who descended from prisoners and black Americans who descended from slaves.


24 posted on 10/08/2012 10:33:09 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason.)
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To: lbryce
a Republican state House candidate who advocates deporting all Muslims

Well, yes. That has been my thought for a long time and I include the homegrown varieties. There will b jihad against all non Moslems so long as there is any Moslem. Better to distance them from civilized society. They can draw from civilization but they cannot participate in civilization and they erode and corrode civilization when they infest it.

25 posted on 10/08/2012 10:34:56 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: lbryce

African-Americans are part of the 5% — the 5% of slaves (less than 500,000) slightly more lucky than the rest (about 10 million) to have made it to what is now the USA instead of somewhere else in the Western hemisphere.


26 posted on 10/08/2012 10:35:29 AM PDT by conservative sympathizer
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To: lbryce

I believe I have seen black writers/pundits say the same thing.


27 posted on 10/08/2012 10:37:10 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: lbryce

Sometimes, to this Canadian, the lack of party discipline in U.S. politics is astounding. Here, in Canada, if a couple of Members of Parliament, or Members of a Legislative Assembly had said something so incredibly stupid (especially during an election year); their respective party leaders would have instantly booted them out of caucus. They would literally be moved to the other side of the aisle, and made to sit beside the Opposition parties. They would not be allowed to run again, under the party’s banner.

There are times, when party discipline is too rigid; and it is often relaxed for votes of conscience — but, this would not have been one of those times.


28 posted on 10/08/2012 10:38:53 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Cicero
In the first place, virtually all of the slaves shipped to America were enslaved by Muslim Arabs or fellow blacks, not by the ship captains, who merely received them at the landings.

The Arabian market was every bit as big as the new world market.

Slaves in Arabia didn't leave many descendents.

The Arabs preferred their slaves castrated...

29 posted on 10/08/2012 10:40:38 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1357 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: lbryce

Someone page the black American author - I believe worked for the ComPost at one time - who wrote a book several years ago giving thanks that his ancestors were removed by force from Africa and brought to America as slaves.


30 posted on 10/08/2012 10:41:43 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: stubernx98

So you wouldn’t mind being a slave, huh?


31 posted on 10/08/2012 10:43:00 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Cicero

If you’d like to become a slave(since you think it is a good thing), I’m sure the government can accommodate you.


32 posted on 10/08/2012 10:44:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: lbryce

What ever happened to Liberia?


33 posted on 10/08/2012 10:45:35 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Uncle Slayton
Would you submit yourself and next 15 generations of your descendants to slavery if you knew that in 300 hundred years your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild would have citizenship in the greatest country on the planet?

Of course not.....why be subject to that when 300 years from now, my descendants could STILL be subject to slavery and benefit from the joys of living in economic powerhouses as Liberia and Zimbabwe? They would miss out on such career opportunities as cannibal, child soldier, or malaria/HIV patient.

But of course, those would just be fantasy dreams because without slave traders to buy me, I most likely would've been executed after losing that last tribal war.

I'm so tired of the incessant need to cement the victim class. I'm also tired of history being used to berate the majority of the population and that we can never try to use any historical events for a positive outcome. But since that is the case, I don't see any blessings in disguise for my people either - forcing them into exile so they had to come to the New World. Now where's my reparations from the Catholic Church?

34 posted on 10/08/2012 10:46:56 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: lbryce

One thing is for sure. The US would have been better off had it not been kicked off with slavery established in the colony.

Our current President and his pals are determined to lay a bomb in their own nest and enslave everyone to avenge it. American leftist ideology is an inter-generational mental illness of self mutilation and suicide bombing.


35 posted on 10/08/2012 10:47:04 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: MestaMachine

Back in 1971 I knew a guy who was moving to Australia. And it was a privilege.

He’d spent 3 years in a waiting lie just to be considered, he had to have substantial money of his own, and he had to have a number of people inviting him, among them employers. Not to mention the security clearances.

Now, of course, it’s enough that you wave the koran in the air, and you can parasitize anything.


36 posted on 10/08/2012 10:47:51 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Dusty Road

Thanks for posting that article — it is now my new benchmark for stupidity in print. The slavers weren’t Jewish — they were Muslim Arabs.


37 posted on 10/08/2012 10:48:20 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: SaxxonWoods

Two statistics that you can never say aloud:

— the standard of living of slaves in the South compared to Africa

— IQ’s of blacks versus whites


38 posted on 10/08/2012 10:48:26 AM PDT by heye2monn (A)
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To: lbryce

One version of the first arrival of African slaves in Jamestown colony is that they were cargo on a Portugese ship bound for South/Central America that was blown off course. The Portugese traders/ship captains had established a lucrative slave business with South/Central America planters before the English got around to planting colonies in what is not the U.S.A. Or so I’ve read.


39 posted on 10/08/2012 10:49:25 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: SaxxonWoods
There is an argument to be made, but it’s best left unsaid as it is too nuanced for popular consumption.

Especially near an election.

40 posted on 10/08/2012 10:50:31 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Aevery_Freeman
It was, after all, their own people that sold them to the whites. We were unable to go get them from the jungle.

Absolutely right. That the black African slave-traders were the very ones who facilitated the institution of slavery to the West without whom there would be no slavery is all I need to know about the horrors of it all. BTW: That Brazil owned, employed five times as many slaves as the US did is to me something that changes the entire complexion, phenomena of the US slave trade. Not once have I read or heard about any recriminations or talk about reparations for even a single slave forced to live and work in Brazil.

41 posted on 10/08/2012 10:51:36 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO-"Now, I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" by way of Oppenheimer at Trinity, NM)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Yeah, and they'd still be running around in the jungle with a tiger on their ass!

42 posted on 10/08/2012 10:51:50 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Mr. K

The Black Avenger, Ken Hamblin, once said on his radio show, that he is GLAD his ancestors were brought over, for obvious reasons today.


43 posted on 10/08/2012 10:55:15 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: AppyPappy

Nobody said anything about wanting to be slaves. We Hebes were slaves before we wandered around in the desert for a generation. Would I want to go back to Egypt? Hell frikkin’ no!


44 posted on 10/08/2012 10:59:18 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason.)
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To: heye2monn
Oh there's a few more....

-Blacks in America owned slaves

-Free blacks willing fought on behalf of the Confederacy (which actually armed them with rifles and bullets)

It is now pretty well established, that there are at the present moment many colored men in the Confederate army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but as real soldiers, having muskets on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down loyal troops, and do all that soldiers may to destroy the Federal Government and build up that of the traitors and rebels. Frederick Douglass

45 posted on 10/08/2012 11:06:02 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: lbryce

*Facepalm!*


46 posted on 10/08/2012 11:09:18 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: lbryce

“Offensive” and “untrue” are not synonyms.


47 posted on 10/08/2012 11:13:05 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Orwell in the throes of a demonic possession could not have come up with the "tuck rule".)
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To: lbryce

Well, for the current generation of blacks, he’s right. Their ancestors having been slaves in the US WAS a blessing. If it weren’t for their servitude in the US they would be living in Zimbabwe, Somalia or some other lovely failed or semi-failed African state.

BTW: Most slaves were captured and sold by other black Africans. And they were “surplus” meaning that their captors didn’t need them; it is likely they would have been killed if they hadn’t been sold. The Africans didn’t know what the Europeans were doing them; they speculated that they were eating them - and didn’t care.


48 posted on 10/08/2012 11:13:41 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: lbryce

Jesse Jackson said the exact same thing.


49 posted on 10/08/2012 11:17:39 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Uncle Slayton
The realistic alternatives for those slaves were being a slave in Africa, a slave in America, or being dead. They were were “surplus” and their captors didn't need, or particularly want them.
So decide for yourself.
50 posted on 10/08/2012 11:18:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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