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Zimmerman asks for delay, information on Martin
The Spokesman Review ^ | October 8, 2012 | Mike Schneider Associated Press

Posted on 10/08/2012 1:44:20 PM PDT by Uncle Chip

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Neighborhood watch leader George Zimmerman will ask a Florida judge to delay his murder trial and request that Trayvon Martin’s school records and information from the teen’s social media accounts be released.

Zimmerman’s attorneys said in motions made public Monday that they expect to take between 50 and 75 depositions, and more time is needed to review all of the prosecution’s evidence.

Zimmerman’s attorneys say they’ll also ask the judge to allow Martin’s school records to be subpoenaed, as well as information from his Twitter and Facebook accounts.

(Excerpt) Read more at spokesman.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: zimmerman
The State is fighting it and playing hide and seek games with the evidence.
1 posted on 10/08/2012 1:44:27 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Absolutely right.If we're gonna hear the prosecution tell of every single time Zimmerman jaywalked in his life jurors should also hear all about the kid.Then the defense reminds the jurors that the only injury on the kid apart from the bullet wound was a scraped knuckle and produces the news photo of Zimmerman’s bloody head it's game,set and match for the defense.Unless,of course,the prosecution somehow succeeds in seating an OJ jury.
2 posted on 10/08/2012 1:52:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Uncle Chip

The State’s pathetic objection to the Defense’s request:

“While the Defendant as part of his investigation may go fishing he is not allowed to chum the waters and then by innuendo or otherwise publish irrelevant items (such as aforementioned subpoenas) to the media in an attempt to influence public perception or curry favor with potential jurors.”

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/october_hearing/states_response.pdf

The Defense’s classic response to the State’s objection:

While the State has the ability to cast as wide a net as it wishes into waters chopped up by storms created by racial innuendo and political pressure, it cannot drown within that net a criminal defendant’s constitutional rights to prepare an appropriate trial and to defend himself against that tide.

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/october_hearing/reply_to_states_response.pdf


3 posted on 10/08/2012 2:05:11 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

They’ll need an ebonics expert for some of those tweets.


4 posted on 10/08/2012 2:46:20 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Uncle Chip

This sounds more ;like a “try the victim” fishing expedition than anything.

Its like asking a rape victim how many men she’s slept with.

This is a stand your ground defense. That, the witness reports, and GZ’s proven injuries should be enough to acquit.

Regardless of what you may think of the victim, this can only pour salt into the open wound of his parents.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 2:56:05 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Picture a situation where the prosecution claims Trayvon couldn’t have attacked Zimmerman because there’s no evidence he ever attacked anyone, and the school records show a history of assaults on his part. Would you deny the defense the ability to discover that evidence?

Your “rape victim” argument goes to relevance and admissibility, not to discoverability.


6 posted on 10/08/2012 3:11:00 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Picture a situation where the prosecution claims Trayvon couldn’t have attacked Zimmerman because there’s no evidence he ever attacked anyone, and the school records show a history of assaults on his part. Would you deny the defense the ability to discover that evidence?

Your “rape victim” argument goes to relevance and admissibility, not to discoverability.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 3:13:05 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Regardless of what you may think of the victim, this can only pour salt into the open wound of his parents.

The victim here is Zimmerman. As for salt in the wounds, I am not too concerned about parents that hired a race baiting lawyer and tradmarked saint Trayvon's name a week after the story went national.

8 posted on 10/08/2012 3:13:38 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Emperor Palpatine

AL and Jesse ain’t messin’ ‘round with Trayvon’s parents no mo. They now goin’ afta’ Romininey. They much!


9 posted on 10/08/2012 3:18:10 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Emperor Palpatine

>> Regardless of what you may think of the victim, this can only pour salt into the open wound of his parents.

I think the victim is DEAD, and beyond reach (in this mortal realm anyway).

I think there’s an innocent man on trial who may lose his precious freedom; he needs all the information he can get to defend himself in a racially poisoned atmosphere.

Frankly I don’t really give a damn what “wounds” the two losers that spawned Travon Martin sport. If they cared so much about their spawn they should have raised him like they did, and none of this would have happened! Actions, including malignant parenting, have CONSEQUENCES.

That’s what I think.

Thanks for asking.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 3:19:27 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Emperor Palpatine

A man on trial for 2nd degree murder should be given very wide latitude in his defense. The same is true of rape.

Past aggressive behavior by the victim is crucial to the credibility of the defendant’s claim that the victim was aggressive and attacked him first, putting his life in danger.


11 posted on 10/08/2012 3:24:47 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
You watch Perry Mason too much. Bad behavior oi the victim is inadmissible.
12 posted on 10/08/2012 3:40:05 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Geesh....Obama’s som was a THUG!! PROBABLY a CRIMINAL THUG!!! The “parebts” most likely KNEW he was aTHUG since he got kicked out of a PUBLIC SCHOOL!! Do you know how BAD you have to be to get suspended froma PUBLIC school??? geesh.......Trayvon was probably the THIEF in the hood they wwre watching for.....would be nice to know how many mor ROBERIES there have been since his death.


14 posted on 10/08/2012 3:55:38 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I think there is some merit to looking into Martin’s ‘character’.

If his tweets and posts show that he was prone to violence, or violent threats, I think that helps Zimmerman.

And, if his posts show that he was a drug user (combined with the common street use/abuse of Skittles and Arizona iced tea, along with cough syrup), I think that is important to Zimmerman’s defense.

And, if he has a history of theft, well it makes Zimmerman seem a little more justified in his belief that Martin was up to no good.

We’ve already heard and seen bits and pieces...and it doesn’t paint an angel.


15 posted on 10/08/2012 4:02:07 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Trayvon Martin is not the victim. He is the decedent.


16 posted on 10/08/2012 4:12:07 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: lacrew

Excuse me.....playing Devil’s Advocate here.

I’ve made threatening posts online...including some here...One got me a warning by JimRob. Albeit mine were anger and dramatic flourishes possibly fueled vy one too many shots of a single malt.

So what’s said online isn’t necessarily what the poster really meant.


17 posted on 10/08/2012 5:35:13 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Uncle Chip

As far as the state of Florida is concerned, TM is the victim.


18 posted on 10/08/2012 5:36:57 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
As far as the state of Florida is concerned, TM is the victim.

Who is he as far as you are concerned???

19 posted on 10/08/2012 7:24:29 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“Bad behavior oi the victim is inadmissible.”

Well, I’ve watched Perry Mason & I don’t pretend to be a lawyer - but it is obvious Zimmerman’s lawyer thinks Martin’s past behavior IS admissible. Guess we’ll see.

It certainly OUGHT to be admissible. It has direct bearing on the likelihood that Zimmerman’s story is correct.


20 posted on 10/08/2012 7:35:07 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Based on a quick Internet review, it appears that the victim’s past history can be used in a murder trial if the prosecution opens the door by trying to show the victim was a saint who would never have started a fight.

Lawyers are welcome to jump on me and show me what that quick Internet review is wrong. My guess is Zimmerman’s lawyer is doing this to preempt an attempt by the prosecution to claim sainthood for Martin.

In cases of rape, the victim is almost always shielded. I think that is wrong, but the law doesn’t care what I think.


21 posted on 10/08/2012 7:48:07 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Emperor Palpatine; lacrew

That’s why the defense wants Trayvon’s school records as well.


22 posted on 10/08/2012 8:31:46 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

There’s no “open wound,” they’re trying to profit from their son’s death in any way they can.


23 posted on 10/08/2012 9:17:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Hey Palpatoon, Zimmerman is the only victim, Martin was the neutralized perp.


24 posted on 10/08/2012 9:20:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Uncle Chip

this case was supposed to be to show evil gun carrying nazi republicans with german names were killing young black boys so that inner city minoirities had better vote for the President.

Instead, the shooter turned out to be a metziso (which is the correct term for white/Indigenous Hispanic) and a Democrat...

On the other hand, the silence of the media suggests that Zimmerman’s lawyers might indeed find something interesting in the discovery phase of the trial...


25 posted on 10/09/2012 12:07:07 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: Emperor Palpatine

I think Martin’s online posts, coupled with his school discipline record, is instructive in painting a portrait of Martin’s character.

And remember - comments on this board are anonymous; and, people may be a little more superlative than they would be in real life. Martin’s Facebook posts (and photographs) were not anonymous.

Nor was there the ‘safety’ of distance. Presumably many of his Facebook friends were people who lived close by, and at least one I remember was a close relative.

I do not think his Facebook posts reflect an alterego at all...most likely a very accurate portrayal of his character.

This case was initially tried in the media - we were treated to photos of an almost prepubescent boy, and told he was hunted down by a racist whose only concern was his race (thank you NBC) and gunned down. You might remember that many people were quite confident he had been shot in the back. Almost any potential juror, who hasn’t been living under a rock, has been tainted by this. I do not blame the defense one bit for trying to correct that narrative, even if it means ‘trying the victim’.


26 posted on 10/09/2012 6:43:04 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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