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UK: Nine in ten Scots 'living off state's patronage' [Conservative MP's Mitt Romney moment]
The Telegraph ^ | 10/7/2012 | Simon Johnson

Posted on 10/08/2012 2:01:42 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Almost nine out of 10 Scottish households take more from the public purse than they contribute in taxes thanks to a “rotten system” of state patronage, the Tory party conference will hear on Monday.

Ruth Davidson, the Scottish Conservative leader, is to highlight official figures showing that only 283,080 households north of the border – 12 per cent of the total – pay more in tax than they receive in public services.

She will tell delegates that, because the public sector is seen as the key provider of everything from housing to employment, state spending now accounts for more than half Scotland’s wealth.

She will blame Alex Salmond, the SNP First Minister, and his Labour predecessors for nurturing a “corrosive sense of entitlement” among voters that has prevented her party making a comeback in Scotland.

Miss Davidson will argue this Left-wing “stranglehold” suits Labour and the SNP but has made it difficult for the Tories as so many voters are reliant on the public sector for their household income.

But the Nationalists described it as her “Mitt Romney moment”, in a reference to the Republican presidential candidate’s comments that 47 per cent of Americans pay no income tax and are dependent on the state.

According to the most recent figures, Scotland contributed 9.6 per cent of Britain’s tax take and accounted for 9.3 per cent of public spending.

Her strongly worded attack on state patronage follows David Cameron’s warning. But Miss Davidson will tell the conference that Scotland’s “staggering” and “frightening” reliance on the public sector must be taken into account.

“The rotten system of patronage, which denies so many people real choices in their lives, has created a corrosive sense of entitlement which suits its political gang masters,” she will say. “Only 12 per cent

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1 posted on 10/08/2012 2:01:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

This is beginning to sound”Familiar”??????????????????


2 posted on 10/08/2012 2:05:47 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: bruinbirdman

This is one issue where conservatives around the world need to take a deep breath, tell the truth and then don’t back down. Middle class people don’t like hearing that they are sponging off the public teat too. But the only want to stop the death spiral of the Welfare State is to cut off middle class entitlements (along with a lot of lower class entitlements).


3 posted on 10/08/2012 2:05:47 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: bruinbirdman

going independent might not sound so good when the money stops coming


4 posted on 10/08/2012 2:08:10 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: bruinbirdman

They’re saving their money...............


5 posted on 10/08/2012 2:11:04 PM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: bandleader
I guess that William Wallace is spinning in his grave.

"“They may take our lives, but they’ll never take our freedom!”

6 posted on 10/08/2012 2:16:08 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: bruinbirdman

I like her. “corrosive sense of entitlement” - well put.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 2:16:42 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: bruinbirdman
She is the leader of the Scottish Conservative Party in the Scottish Parliament.

There are only 15 Conservatives and there are 106 left wing parliamentarians: 67 Scottish National Party, 37 Labour, 2 Green.

Currently, the government of Scotland intends to hold an independence referendum in 2014.

If Scotland declares independence, it will immediately become one of the developed world's poorest countries and most indebted countries, with one of the highest rates of unemployment, of welfare dependency, of drug dependency and of illegitimacy.

It will also be 98% white and 96% British.

8 posted on 10/08/2012 2:19:09 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: GeronL
That's probably why 52% of Scots vote for the Scottish National Party, whose platform is "independence plus welfare", but the polls say only 27% will vote yes on an independence referendum.
9 posted on 10/08/2012 2:22:05 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

They better hope that ten or twenty million Englishmen don’t register to vote as Tam O’Shanter MacTavish in the referendum, vote for independence.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 2:26:49 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Orwell in the throes of a demonic possession could not have come up with the "tuck rule".)
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To: wideawake

Scots were once renown as the most industrious and educated people in the world. They’ve come a long way under socialism.


11 posted on 10/08/2012 2:28:39 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Orwell in the throes of a demonic possession could not have come up with the "tuck rule".)
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To: wideawake

When I become President, I’ll offer immigration and immediate citizenship to the other 10%.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 2:30:07 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Orwell in the throes of a demonic possession could not have come up with the "tuck rule".)
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To: KeyLargo

That’s been turned around to:

“They may take away our liberty, but they’ll never take away our FREEBIES!”


13 posted on 10/08/2012 2:30:13 PM PDT by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: wideawake
"Currently, the government of Scotland intends to hold an independence referendum in 2014.

If Scotland declares independence, it will immediately become one of the developed world's poorest countries and most indebted countries, with one of the highest rates of unemployment, of welfare dependency, of drug dependency and of illegitimacy."

Guess that would mean a no vote from those on the welfare receiving end?

yitbos

14 posted on 10/08/2012 2:38:21 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: wideawake

Thats what really pisses me off about the Scottish electorate at the moment. The fact that most of them have been willing to vote for a pro-independence party, but apparently not willing to vote for actual independence.

It tells me that the Scots do not really believe in the Union, except as a meal ticket. I know there are Scots like thescotsman etc here on FR who are genuine British patriots, but they are very much in the minority, and most ‘pro-union’ Scots consider themselves British only as a matter of convenience. Do I really want these fairweather brits and leeches as my compatriots?


15 posted on 10/08/2012 2:38:43 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: MeganC

God created whisky to keep the Scott’s from ruling the world!


16 posted on 10/08/2012 2:39:14 PM PDT by resistance (abandon all hope and rational thought, become a democrat)
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To: bruinbirdman
Ultimately, true independence would kill Labour in England proper.

The Labour Party in Scotland will publicly campaign with the SNP but will, through backchannels, move heaven and earth to suppress the independence vote.

And all they have to do is point out that independnece means fewer checks.

17 posted on 10/08/2012 2:41:45 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: bruinbirdman

Rob Roy and William Wallace spin in their graves.

Well,l the Scots did give us golf and single malts


18 posted on 10/08/2012 2:45:04 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Well that's why they have "DevoMax" - since it would preserve the pound and the welfare payments in Scotland, while effectively allowing the Scottish state to just owe England the money for defense and other services.

The problem is, it would not permit Scottish Labour to send MPs to the Parliament in London - so even that soft version may wind up a no go.

19 posted on 10/08/2012 2:45:24 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

LOL!


20 posted on 10/08/2012 2:46:42 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

If it wasn’t for James Watt, we’d still be sailing under canvas.

Thank God Carnegie came here as a boy....or the city I live in, love, and call home would be a minor trading post on the 3 rivers.


21 posted on 10/08/2012 2:48:10 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: wideawake

That would be one of the side-benefits I suppose. I found it particularly galling when the last Labour government use Scottish MPs to ram home health and social healthcare legislation that only applied in England and Wales. That has got to stop, whatever happens. In a post-devolution Britain, Scottish MPs should have no say on legislation that only applies to England or England and Wales...


22 posted on 10/08/2012 2:48:24 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: wideawake

That would be one of the side-benefits I suppose. I found it particularly galling when the last Labour government use Scottish MPs to ram home health and social healthcare legislation that only applied in England and Wales. That has got to stop, whatever happens. In a post-devolution Britain, Scottish MPs should have no say on legislation that only applies to England or England and Wales...


23 posted on 10/08/2012 2:48:34 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: bruinbirdman

Isn’t socialism grand?


24 posted on 10/08/2012 2:48:49 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: wideawake

I don’t recall seeing anything in Devo-Max that would preclude Scottish MPs from going to Westminster and voting on English matters.


25 posted on 10/08/2012 2:51:10 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: bruinbirdman

God give her strength.


26 posted on 10/08/2012 2:55:20 PM PDT by Tuanedge (Warriors victorious in a hundred battles, flee when a tiger enters their tent.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“If it wasn’t for James Watt, we’d still be sailing under canvas.”

Actually, that is nonsense. If he didn’t invent a practical steam engine, someone else would have. Technological advancement doesn’t rely on any one technical genius, it is more about the pre-existing technological foundation being there to allow the innovation to take place.

This is illustrated by the fact that the electric lightbulb was invented at almost the exact same time by Englishman Joseph Swann and Thomas Edison in the late 1870s...


27 posted on 10/08/2012 2:55:44 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: bruinbirdman

It is never wise to anger a Scottish woman. It will not end well for those who do


28 posted on 10/08/2012 2:57:06 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: bruinbirdman
"...because the public sector is seen as the key provider of everything from housing to employment, state spending now accounts for more than half Scotland’s wealth."

It's illogical to consider govt spending as "wealth".

29 posted on 10/08/2012 2:57:12 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: bruinbirdman

The Left has swept my good people away.


30 posted on 10/08/2012 2:58:52 PM PDT by Deb (If you wanna laugh everyday, follow Deepak Chopra on Twitter)
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To: wideawake

never tell a Scotsman he is british. you may think it true but trust me it is not


31 posted on 10/08/2012 2:59:02 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: KeyLargo

"FREE STUFF!!"
32 posted on 10/08/2012 3:01:58 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: bruinbirdman

Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave are also dependents...


33 posted on 10/08/2012 3:06:14 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Deb

Been listening to a Teaching Company course on the Tudor-Stewart period in history and its legacy.

The Act of Union when it was passed gave the Scots more representation than their tax base percentage, gave them the trading advantage that England held for its home ports with the related advantage in taxes and commerce, and picked up a lot of the Scottish debt including big missteps in trying to set up a port/trading company in Panama. It was why the Scotts went for it and the country profited by having the English economy subsidize them for many years dispite taking a second class status in many regards.

They were somewhat sold out for bribes as the landed debt holders in Scotland came out the best (along with the Presbyterian Church).

Interesting course.


34 posted on 10/08/2012 3:09:18 PM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Yeah, I know.

Willi Messerschmitt and Frank Whittle came up with the jet engine within days of each other.

But don’t rain on my grand flow of history, K?

;-)


35 posted on 10/08/2012 3:34:21 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: bruinbirdman
According to the most recent figures, Scotland contributed 9.6 per cent of Britain’s tax take and accounted for 9.3 per cent of public spending.

This is the argument the pro-separation forces are using -- and, by all accounts, the numbers are accurate. And, recently, a FReeper used it to to challenge my assertion that Scotland is a welfare-dependent country.

There is wealth in Scotland that could support its welfare state. But it's wealth that is concentrated in a few highly-political sectors: banking and North Sea oil as examples.

Scotland has a very unbalanced economy. A large underclass and a very few large, politically well-connected, profitable industries. I don't know that it can sustain itself without England's political clout and fall-back economic support.

36 posted on 10/08/2012 3:56:34 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Teach a man to fish and you lose a Democratic voter.)
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To: KeyLargo

Wallace didn’t fight for the right of individual Scots to be free, a concept that didn’t really exist at the time.

He fought so Scots as a nation could be free of domination by foreigners (the English.)

By that definition. as such, North Korea is a free nation.

Wallace was a brave man, though the movie was about as historically inaccurate as it could possibly be.

But Wallace wasn’t fighting for the Scots’ inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.


37 posted on 10/08/2012 3:57:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Not to mention the phone. Elisha Gray and Alex Bell.


38 posted on 10/08/2012 4:03:23 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Not to mention the phone. Elisha Gray and Alex Bell.

Johann Philipp Reis in 1861, actually. Though later improved upon by Bell et al.

39 posted on 10/08/2012 5:19:03 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: GeronL
going independent might not sound so good when the money stops coming

While the Scottish public may be a net drain on the U.K.'s public finances, I'm not sure Scotland is. Don't forget most of the North Sea oil in the U.K.'s territorial waters and economic zone would go with Scotland. Were it not for the North Sea oil, I suspect the Tories would be (at least covertly) backing the SNP's independence push.

40 posted on 10/08/2012 6:33:16 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: bruinbirdman

Scotland makes up 8.4% of the population of the UK, generates 9.4% of the GDP and receives 9.3% of taxes.
Why do you think the main parties dont want the Scots to get independence, is it our sunny nature or the money we generate?


41 posted on 10/09/2012 3:14:12 AM PDT by MadMitch (nemo me impune lacessit)
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