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U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'
LA Times ^ | 10/7/2012 | Matt Pearce

Posted on 10/08/2012 4:44:56 PM PDT by markomalley

Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major underpinnings of mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says they are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the comments in a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

Here are his remarks:

“God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior. There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says. And what I’ve come to learn is that it’s the manufacturer’s handbook, is what I call it. It teaches us how to run our lives individually. How to run our families, how to run our churches. But it teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society. And that’s the reason, as your congressman, I hold the Holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I’ll continue to do that.”

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Couldn't possibly be any connection between this ariticle and one from the comPost:

In Missouri, clergy in the fray of Akin race, seeing it as start of a ‘battle for the soul’ of GOP

Nearly 400 Missouri pastors gathered at the podium of a hotel ballroom recently to pray over the kneeling figure of Rep. Todd Akin, a Senate candidate whose campaign had been pronounced dead by national Republican leaders weeks before.

Akin’s political revival has become a cause celebre for this group of clerics and other conservatives, who have launched a carefully orchestrated effort to lift the GOP candidate back into contention for a seat that could help decide control of the Senate.

“People are drawn to Akin’s cause because they see it as the opening battle for the soul of the Republican Party,” said strategist David Lane, who has spent months in the state organizing pastors to fight for Akin, at times bucking the wishes of GOP leaders in Washington. Akin’s campaign, Lane said, represents the fight against establishment politicians, their consultants and “a morally flawed approach to politics.”

Nah, no connection whatsoever. Just a coincidence that both legs of the LAT-WP news service publish articles about crazy conservative religious wackos in flyover country.

1 posted on 10/08/2012 4:44:58 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
..................And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee,...........................

Gee, that sounds like a real appropriate committee that he was assigned to!

2 posted on 10/08/2012 4:50:41 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Noob1999
Trying to figure out how he can see Genesis' 'let there be light' anything other than 'the big bang'.

Or is he reading some other book?

3 posted on 10/08/2012 4:54:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: markomalley

I agree with the congressman completely.


4 posted on 10/08/2012 4:55:47 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: markomalley

I do not care about how an individual feels on the topic. Believe what you want. All things are possible through G_d. I will find out the truth someday, however G_d did this wonderful thing.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 4:56:30 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: Noob1999

Wait a minute...Big Bang Theory not real?

Sheldon Cooper not real?

Penny fake? Leonard, Howard and Raj, not real?

C’mon....


6 posted on 10/08/2012 4:58:22 PM PDT by Adder (No Mo BO)
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To: Noob1999

Tee- Hee.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 5:03:33 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: rawhide

Telling children for generations that we come from animals kind of explains why people act like animals . . .

And yet, animals would never do some of the things that humans do.


8 posted on 10/08/2012 5:04:32 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

There is evidence that the earth is 4.3 billion years old. Life began many years after its creation and has evolved.
I see nothing that conflicts with His word.


9 posted on 10/08/2012 5:08:19 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: markomalley

Right or wrong, bringing this sort of stuff up in the last month of a critically-important election is insanely stupid. Especially, when the guy doing doesn’t even need to campaign.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 5:08:36 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: markomalley

If you want an education, read about what happened to Louis Pasteur.

He was a scientist (invented the pasteurization process) that fought AGAINST the current theory of the origin of life of his time.....It was called Spontaneous Generation.

Read about how he was called all sorts of names, blacklisted, and removed from the Academy of Science....After 20 or so years, his theory of disease formation was finally accepted, meanwhile he made lots of money selling his process that the scientific community said was worthless.

He finally was asked BACK into the Academy of Science, where he spoke about the Spontaneous Generation theory, and told the same people this

“You have exchanged one lie (Spontaneous Generation) for another (Dawwin’s Theory of Evolution).” He said that Darwin’s theory was even more idiotic in it’s beliefs than that of Spontaneous Generation.

Essentially these “Theories” are desired to fight against the notion that immensely intelligently designed life MUST have a maker.

For example, consider a butterfly, that can do the following

1) reproduce more of it’s kind
2) fly thousands of miles (migration of monarch butterfly for example)
3) Find it’s own power (food)
4) Weigh less than 2 ounces
5) Navigate
6) Avoid predators.

Now take EVERY BIT of the engineering excellence we have — can mankind (in all it’s knowledge and ability) make such a thing? And yet it happened by random chance? REALLY? REALLY?

This boggles the mind that somebody can be THAT STUPID


11 posted on 10/08/2012 5:09:47 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: markomalley

Science is a game we play with God to find out what his rules are.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 5:12:49 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress
animals would never do some of the things that humans do.

Correct, mainly because humans have the faculty of reason.

Nevertheless, humans are noticably fallible; especially when humans chuck reason.

13 posted on 10/08/2012 5:13:35 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

Some people act like animals. Some people build landers and set them down right on schedule and in a location of their choosing on Mars


14 posted on 10/08/2012 5:14:27 PM PDT by albionin
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To: aliquando
All things are possible through G_d. I will find out the truth someday, however G_d did this wonderful thing.

Which G_d? Mankind has invented and worshipped thousands of them over the millenia.

The only thing they have in common is that none of them have been proven to exist.

I might believe in the possible existence of the one you are referring to, I just don't know which one it is.

15 posted on 10/08/2012 5:18:05 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: markomalley

“Well, It appears science has failed again, in front of overwhelming religious evidence.”


16 posted on 10/08/2012 5:20:28 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: markomalley
An elected official said something stupid.

Welcome to America!

17 posted on 10/08/2012 5:20:36 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: BereanBrain
And yet it happened by random chance?

Yes, and evolutionists have reasonably concluded that "Natural Selection" happenings are nothing more than successful random changes.

18 posted on 10/08/2012 5:27:25 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: markomalley

The Congessman is right as no so called scientist has demonstrated that anything on the earth is more than 9000 years old.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 5:28:38 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: rawhide
I agree with the congressman completely.

Explain why you think embryology comes from the pit of hell.

20 posted on 10/08/2012 5:30:21 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

You see nothing that conflicts with His word? With virtually every writer in the Bible, including Christ, a creationist who believed mankind came from Adam and Eve?

Not to mention the ECF (Early Church Fathers), many of them taught that “a day is as a thousand years,” in other words, as God created in six days, so man’s days would be six thousand years from Adam to the 2nd coming of Christ. What they got from His word was in the range of thousands not the billions that you evolutionists claim.

You may not claim to be an atheist, but you are the blood brother to it. I wish you evolutionists would stop claiming to be Bible believers, you are not.


21 posted on 10/08/2012 5:34:14 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Adder

“Big Bang Theory” first there was nothing, suddenly all matter popped into existence in a fraction of a second, from a point that had no point in 3d space because 3d space did not exist, in fact 3d space itself popped into existence from null space, that means that that point itself never existed in 3d space and we exist inside that point. Sounds like a miracle to me!


22 posted on 10/08/2012 5:35:15 PM PDT by qman (The communist usurper must go!)
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To: markomalley
The downside to evolutionary fact is that humans will someday be extinct ... long before Earth itself is gone.

Hold on tight!

23 posted on 10/08/2012 5:35:45 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

bttt


24 posted on 10/08/2012 5:39:02 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ( ‘An Armed Man is a Citizen – A Disarmed Man is a Subject’ ~ Allen West)
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To: rawhide

at least on the article headline, i am with the congressman. didn’t read the entire article so i can’t comment on everything else said, but given what i do agree with him on, i probably would agree with the other things he said.


25 posted on 10/08/2012 5:39:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: markomalley
I believe that the Earth is about 9,000 years old.

It's probably not that old. In the seventeenth century, Archbishop James Ussher calculated that the earth was created on October 23, 4004 BC at 9:00 AM--presumably, that was Pacific Daylight Time.

Elsewhere on this board, I have related how the Geology Department at Occidental College threw a surprise party in Dr. Joe Birman's geology class, which met at 9:00 AM on October 23, 1972.

26 posted on 10/08/2012 5:49:02 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: OldNavyVet

Maybe not. Humans have ways of adapting to their environment and adapting their environment to them that other animals do not. If we can get off planet and colonize other worlds then I can see mankind surviving. Certainly mankind will change from what we are now. In 30,000 years me might not recognize ourselves.


27 posted on 10/08/2012 5:49:26 PM PDT by albionin
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To: OldNavyVet

How can life start from random combinations?

There are (for the most simple lifeform) over 10,000 genes required. This consists of approximately 500,000 base pairs.

It’s statistically impossible that such an event occurred, then the required continued “lucky” mutations continued to populate the tree of life.

In the whole universe, only life is self-organizing and self-propegating. The second law of thermodynamics says all things tend toward disorder (chaos).

Knowledge does not arise from random chance. Why? Because let’s use the classic example of the millions of monkeys typing forever can reproduce the works of shakespeare.

The problem with the theory is that the monkeys don’t KNOW when they have information worth keeping....they continue to press keys! (Like mutations continue to occur).

If you really believe in random chance produces information, just put your computer in a loop to produce the next program you wish.....Thousands of computers working together at 3Ghz (that’s 3 Billion op/sec) could in a matter of hours produce something usable, no?

I think not.


28 posted on 10/08/2012 5:49:28 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Noob1999

He is on an appropriate committee. Believing God created the world does not make you technologically stupid. Many great scientists are creationists.


29 posted on 10/08/2012 5:49:38 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: markomalley

Neal Boortz wrapped his show around this sillyness.Suggesting as an alternative a write in for Darwin.


30 posted on 10/08/2012 5:49:46 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great para/p)
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To: markomalley

It is now politically incorrect to express your Christian beliefs in this country. Stalin would be so proud.

“America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its
patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these
three areas, America will collapse from within” - Joseph Stalin.


31 posted on 10/08/2012 5:56:02 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: BereanBrain

“How can life start from random combinations?”

Not arguing the whole evolution/creation thing on this thread but can it really be considered random combinations or is it causality, i.e. entities acting according to their nature?


32 posted on 10/08/2012 5:56:31 PM PDT by albionin
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To: Secret Agent Man

To me he is in clear disagreement with Genesis.


33 posted on 10/08/2012 5:56:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

evolution as described in textbooks is a complete and utter lie. variation within species is natural, scientific and observable. changing species, dna suddenly containing information for structures, organs and appendages that never were in the original animal to begin with, are all lies. mutations do not add information, they damage existing information and make the organism less useful than the unmutated stock.


34 posted on 10/08/2012 6:01:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mosesdapoet
Darwin's viewpoint has already been discredited by epigenetics, and there's more to come way beyond that.

He'd imagined 'characteristics' as having a sort of variability around a theme ~ not the quantum entities we've found subsequently, with many of them having more than one solution. How he could have missed that is inexplicable.

35 posted on 10/08/2012 6:03:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Secret Agent Man
Still, epigenetics tell us the circuitry is changeable ~ and the genes are remarkably stable. BTW, organs, as a concept, are incredibly stable. The earliest (or most primitive ~ take your pick) animals had something that did what your liver does, and your kidneys, and your heart.

The ferns in my front yard breed through the facility of motile sperm ~ just like my neighbors cat!

36 posted on 10/08/2012 6:08:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: sasportas

he’s just trying to yank your chain. don’t waste your time arguing with those that only post stuff to stir things up, rather than discuss with any possibility of being convinced of what you’re saying. even the bible says they just argue for the sake of arguing and causing disruption and to avoid them. they are implacable and just like whipping things into disarray.


37 posted on 10/08/2012 6:10:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
BTW, Genesis informs us that God set out a garden in Eden.

He undoubtedly had a nursery.

38 posted on 10/08/2012 6:10:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rawhide

Then you’re as big of an uneducated KOOK as he is.

Honest to God...this is the kind of CRAP that makes us all look bad. Not all conservatives are uneducated snake-handling moronic hayseeds who buy a 2,000 year-old book as literal effing fact. Some of us went to school and learned that the Holy Bible was allegory.

Explain dinosaurs, carbon-dated fossils, etc,

And pleas don’t give me that Biblical Leviathan” bullpoop, either,

:
“Leviathan” was an ocean liner, okay, dipstick?


39 posted on 10/08/2012 6:10:42 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: albionin

And where does their “nature” come from?

If mankind cannot create anything like life (other than copying via cloning), then how could a blind process create such immense complexity?

Wind, rain, lightening in junk yards don’t create new a new ferrari, no matter how much we would like it to.

Again, if we set out to create something that has the properties of for example a butterfly, we could not do it. With all the accumulated wisdom of mankind.

To believe that blind chance could do what our intelligence cannot is a profound statement.....and yet evolutionists believe this exactly.

So our intelligence is less than that of blind chance, accumulated over time?

What guides the process? The ONLY viable candidate is Natural Selection — but if you don’t have a advantage (due to natural selection) then the information randomly gained via mutation cannot be passed on reliably to the next generation. Then comes the problem of complex structures, for example, many functions of life of very complex, and if any of the parts were different, the whole would be functionless (and not have an advantage).

From an information theory perspective, classic evolution through the survival of the fittest may (and can) explain adaptation (which exists and we can observe) but CANNOT explain the genesis of species and more importantly life.

We can prove adaptation, and observe it. The fossil record does not prove/show formation of life. It only shows it appeared, quite suddenly. Also change occurs very rapidly, not gradually like was proposed by the slow process of natural selection — thus the formation of the “punctuated equalibrium” model of evolution. BTW, the punctuated model has the same problems with genesis (formation) as well.

Darwin was a racist.

His book was entitled

“On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.”

Which, by the way implied that “black man” was closest to the monkey, and the “white” races were superior. I dismiss this theory as racist at it’s core, and a lie as well.


40 posted on 10/08/2012 6:12:52 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: markomalley

Marky-Mark.....if you buy this happy horsesh*t, then you’re an even bigger IMBECILE than I’ve always thought you were.


41 posted on 10/08/2012 6:14:12 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I agree with you that it is hard to imagine certain structures just appearing on the scene suddenly by slow accumulations of genetic traits. I saw a program once about the Pterosaurs and how they had radically different forms than anything before and these structures were crucial for flight. In fact it seemed to the scientists studying it that if any one of these were missing it could not have flown. What would the transitional forms that could not fly do with a 10 ft. long finger. That’s what formed the wing. I don’t agree though that all mutations are harmful though. Some, like a different pigment that helps an animal blend in better and avoid predators would be helpful.


42 posted on 10/08/2012 6:16:52 PM PDT by albionin
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To: Uncle Slayton
The Congessman is right as no so called scientist has demonstrated that anything on the earth is more than 9000 years old.

I guess that would a depend on who you would consider a scientist.

43 posted on 10/08/2012 6:17:27 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
There is evidence that the earth is 4.3 billion years old.

Apparently, according to the good congressman, there is no evidence that the earth is any older than 9000 years old. You seem to be 4.891 billion years off.

45 posted on 10/08/2012 6:20:07 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Make that 4.291 billion years off.


46 posted on 10/08/2012 6:20:59 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

No wonder you dropped out of high school.

CIA my arse.


47 posted on 10/08/2012 6:21:43 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
“Leviathan” was an ocean liner, okay, dipstick?

Book written by a cartoon tiger.

48 posted on 10/08/2012 6:22:46 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Persevero
Believing God created the world does not make you technologically stupid.

Believing that the earth is only 9000 years old might.

49 posted on 10/08/2012 6:23:13 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: markomalley

Moron

Or as my man Bugs Bunny would say...

“What a maroon...what an imBESSile..


50 posted on 10/08/2012 6:23:52 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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