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How family lore shapes character (Fauxcahontas family haunted by Indian wars ghosts)
Boston Globe ^ | 10/08/12 | James Carroll

Posted on 10/08/2012 5:07:01 PM PDT by Libloather

How family lore shapes character
By James Carroll
October 08, 2012

**SNIP**

When Oklahoma was made a state in 1907, barely four decades before Warren was born there, it incorporated the so-called Indian Territory — that culmination of the multiple betrayals of Native Americans, an end of the “trail of tears.” The Cherokee people, in particular, paid the price of the “forced relocation” across thousands of miles, with thousands dead. More than in the rest of America, ghosts of the Indian wars abound in Oklahoma. Warren’s family, tracing itself to those Cherokees, was haunted by them. That the anti-Indian prejudice directed at her parents, like some bloodlines themselves, is impossible to document only underscores its viciousness. Bigotry thrives on innuendo.

For us, the point is that Warren was marked early on by visceral identification with dispossessed victims. Perhaps not coincidentally, her professional life has been defined by an acute sense of wrongs inflicted upon whole classes of people, especially those confronting bankruptcy. “Character,” Warren said in last week’s debate, “is how you live your life.”

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fake; family; lore; warren
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1 posted on 10/08/2012 5:07:07 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Bump for later, this looks like it could be interesting.

As luck would have it, I watched Oklahoma today. I love Oklahoma, it’s really my fave R & H musical, but it really has a lot of rather dark elements.


2 posted on 10/08/2012 5:08:54 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

I also love OK, a great movie and musical, made great by the dark elements.


3 posted on 10/08/2012 5:19:15 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

I don’t recall all that many dark elements except for Judd Fry.


4 posted on 10/08/2012 5:33:53 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Libloather

” That the anti-Indian prejudice directed at her parents, like some bloodlines themselves, is impossible to document only underscores its viciousness.”

Yes, the fact that my angst and internalized oppression is fabricated make them that much more tragic, dontcha think? .........Waahh, waaahh,....sniff, sniff, blubber. Should I bite my knuckle, or put the back of my hand to my forehead? Maybe an attack of the vapors. Yeah, that sounds romantically tragic, I think. A good case of the vapors, that’s the ticket!


5 posted on 10/08/2012 6:04:08 PM PDT by Humble Servant (Work for the most conservative one in the race, and keep up the pressure.)
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To: Libloather

Spin, spin, spin. What a pile of steaming BS! The liberals just can’t admit their champion fraudulently gamed the ethnic affirmative action spoils system.


6 posted on 10/08/2012 6:05:21 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: kabumpo

“OK, a great movie and musical”

I love Shirley Jones in that movie. I think she is just perfect a Laurey, and Laurey has to be perfect.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 6:05:35 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Libloather

So... it doesn’t matter if she really has Indian ancestry as long as her parents thought so?


8 posted on 10/08/2012 6:06:33 PM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Libloather

James Carroll, you have got to be kidding me. You libs can rationalize anything.


9 posted on 10/08/2012 6:13:52 PM PDT by JT Hatter (Who is Barack Obama? And What is He Really Up To?)
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To: Libloather

James Carroll needs to get back to his real passion: maligning the Catholic Church, starting with the New Testament writers. He’s made a fortune at it.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 6:29:06 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Libloather

“The anti-Indian prejudice......is impossible to document.” I guess they have to write something to try and protect her.
Maybe we could start a post about GREAT MOMENTS IN AMERICAN HISTORY THAT PALEFACE LIZZY WARREN MIGHT HAVE BEEN AT EXCEPT SHE WASN’T.

And there was Paleface Lizzy, in the boat with General Washinton, rowing hard to get to the other side except......she really wasn’t.

Paleface Lizzy Warren was there with Wilbur and Orville Wright testing their new flying machine......except ......she really wasn’t.


11 posted on 10/08/2012 6:38:45 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Libloather

That is true at a family level and at a National level.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 6:48:22 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: kabumpo

I directed a production of the stage show many years ago. One of my favorite moments was when an actor picked up the fake knife that Curly uses to accidentally kill Jud and, as he walked off stage, abesnt-mindedly pushed the blade back and forth into the hilt. Fortunately, it was only a rehearsal.


13 posted on 10/08/2012 7:02:15 PM PDT by ShasheMac
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To: blueunicorn6
Lizzy Warren took an axe and gave the truth 40 whacks. When she saw what see had done, she gave the truth another 41, while blaming her “Indian ancestors and the GOP for her violent tendencies, caused by the war on woman.
14 posted on 10/08/2012 8:16:27 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: jocon307

I agree one million percent. She was perfect, and so was Gordon Macrae. I saw video of a London production with Hugh Jackman as a breathtaking Curly, but the Laurey wasn’t so hot, though she was a terrific dancer, the first Laurey do do both the singing and the dancing. She just wasn’t pretty enough, and they dressed her down to be a tomboy.


15 posted on 10/08/2012 9:38:38 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: jocon307

I know the Cherokee were relocated to Oklahoma but it’s my understanding that Oklahoma had always been the home range of the Comanche, who btw are the second largest Indian tribe, were the most feared and war-like and were the last Indians to ‘’walk the white mans road’’, i.e move to reservations.


16 posted on 10/08/2012 9:39:38 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: JimC214

Lizzie Borden took an AXE. Lizzy Warren took a hatchet.


17 posted on 10/08/2012 9:47:43 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: kabumpo

I saw that actress do that role in NYC, she was not that good, and sorry to be nit-picky but she’s a brunette, I think Laurey needs to be blonde.

The fellow who played Jud was EXCELLENT, to me he was the best in the show. That’s a hard part to play, I’ve always thought, even from when we did a very abbreviated version of the show in elementary school.

I’ve also watched some of the videos with Hugh Jackman - I never realized it was that same London production, I wish he’d come across the pond to play Curley!


18 posted on 10/08/2012 10:04:51 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

I think he did play Curley in the Broadway production.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 11:01:15 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: JimC214

LOL!!


20 posted on 10/09/2012 1:17:28 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jocon307

My grandmother was born and raised in Purcell. She was 19 on the day Oklahoma became a state and the then state capital, Purcell, celebrated. She always thought that the musical was written about her. Except for the dark and naughty bits.


21 posted on 10/09/2012 5:57:24 AM PDT by Mercat (He was playing Words with Friends.)
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To: Terry Mross
Well I would have used Tomahawk, but it doesn't rhyme with whacks.
22 posted on 10/09/2012 6:37:17 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: Libloather

I love it. A liberal Democrat defending Fauxchohantus, saying that it doesn’t matter if she’s really Cherokee or not. It matters that she BELIEVED she was and that belief shaped her character.

Lying about practicing without a law license excluded, of course.


23 posted on 10/09/2012 6:50:30 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (I'm no racist!! I just hate white folks!!! - BHO 2007)
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To: Humble Servant

The fact that my bank doesn’t show that million dollars in my account only makes it more real.


24 posted on 10/09/2012 7:51:03 AM PDT by steve8714 (Code pink vaginas shown actual size)
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To: Mercat

Oklahoma does convey what an exciting time that must have been, such a feeling of potential.


25 posted on 10/09/2012 4:31:50 PM PDT by jocon307
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