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Did Obama deliberately try to stage a hostage taking in Benghazi as an “October Surprise”
hillbuzz ^ | 10/8 | kevin dujan

Posted on 10/08/2012 5:34:49 PM PDT by RummyChick

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To: rfp1234

The blind sheik story strangely was in the news at the time. There were rumors that Obama was negotiating his release. The WH denied that there were any negotiations. I thought it was very odd that he would even discuss this so close to the election, so this scenario does make sense. Trading a dying sheik for young American “hostages” would not have resulted in a landslide.


51 posted on 10/08/2012 6:24:51 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: SERKIT
WTF...???

Really....whatever happened to IMHO? Let's be civil in our disagreements of one another. It does set us apart from the etcha sketch crowd...respect, patience, understanding and friendly dialogue is what we should be about. Even in disagreement. Especially in disagreement!!!! The socialist, marxist, communists kill if you don't agree...We smile graciously, nod and then quietly dismiss that which we do not agree with...without smacking the other down in a public forum.

Sorry...I still open doors for women too.

52 posted on 10/08/2012 6:27:30 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Dr Erkel and Mr. Jive...lurking the streets of DC)
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To: Toespi

I didn’t know the sheik was terminally ill. But that sort of thing didn’t work out too well politically for the Brits when they let the PanAm bomber go back to Libya.


53 posted on 10/08/2012 6:28:35 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: RummyChick

I just hope that President Romney can scrape the scum off the walls of government offices. There are a lot of sick pukes living off the the work of people like me and you.

I couldn’t be most disgusted. We the people do a great job of supplying the % of earnings, and then we send it in to D.C. where it gets totally ‘ucked up...on purpose and by inconceivable incompetence.

My daughter deals with government incompetence - she has to because of a health situation she has but she can barely stand the culture among her co-workers. if you’re anything from stupid to a narcissistic megamaniac - get a government job.


54 posted on 10/08/2012 6:34:01 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: RummyChick

In what alternate universe would trading the blind sheik be considered badass? Threatening to kill every muslim in Gitmo and bury then in Cuban sandwiches would be badass.


55 posted on 10/08/2012 6:34:05 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: rfp1234

The US State Department is actively negotiating with Egyptian President Morsi’s government about transferring Omar Abdel-Rahman from US custody to Egyptian custody.
Rahman, also known as “the Blind Sheikh,” is currently serving a life sentence in the US for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. But Egypt is pushing for his release for “humanitarian and health” reasons.
The Department of Justice says the possibility of release is ruled out by the fact that Rahman is serving a life sentence. But an unnamed official within the Obama administration has said the custody exchange is being considered regardless.
Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy believes the deal to release Rahman has already been reached by the administration, and they are just waiting until after the election to announce it. McCarthy believes this is why the DOJ so strongly ruled out Rahman’s “release” but said nothing against his “transfer.”
McCarthy was lead prosecutor in Rahman’s case.


56 posted on 10/08/2012 6:40:32 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
"I simply can’t bring myself to believe this. I disagree with Obama on every level, but I don’t think he would do something like this."

Or Fast & Furious, or illegal campaign contributions, or overturn Federal Laws without Congress' consent, or make illegal recess appointments or wage War on Libya without consent of Congress, or help oust an American ally in Egypt to make Egypt an enemy controlled by Muslim extremists, or let our classified drone fall into Iranian hands with absolutely no attempt to retrieve or destroy it, or sabotage a BP oil rig to justify shutting down America's conventional oil industry.. $5/gallon gas anyone?

Or childishly lying about Fast & Furious ("Bush did it!")? Or childishly lying about the murders in Benghazi? Or refusing to prosecute polling-place intimidation? Or "just-wait-until-after-the-election" secretly caving to the Russian prime minister? The list of OUTRAGEOUS things this jerk has done is endless! Sadly, it is quite evident that no vile thing is beyond him - or unbelievable.

57 posted on 10/08/2012 6:42:56 PM PDT by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: PJBankard
As interesting as this sounds, I don’t think Zer0 or any of his fellow window lickers have enough intelligence to plan something as stupid as this.

Uh, aren't you giving these clowns too much credit? Remember, the author is posing that BO staged a stunt that FAILED. Doesn't take a lot of intelligence to plan a failure.

58 posted on 10/08/2012 6:46:58 PM PDT by Nevermore (...just a typical cracker, clinging to my Constitutional rights...)
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To: Uncle Slayton
So, are you LIHOP or MIHOP?
59 posted on 10/08/2012 6:53:32 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: RummyChick
Close but no cigar.

The plan was to have Stevens taken hostage and held until the day Romney was sworn in. That way they could blame Romney and the repubs of collaborating with the terrorist, just like they did Reagan with the original “October Surprise”.

If you listen to Hillary in her statement were she claimed it was spontaneous because of the video, she also implies someone planned the attack wanting to hurt the Obama administration.

This attack was to set Hillary up to run against Romney in 2016.

60 posted on 10/08/2012 6:55:46 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

You’re exactly right. Thank you.

Fast & Furious for the Second Amendment
Benghazi for the First Amendment


61 posted on 10/08/2012 7:00:51 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: RummyChick

“Folks, more people are going to eventually go to jail for what happened at Benghazi than went to prison for Watergate.” That’s a real kneeslapper! Or it WOULD BE if it weren’t related to such a sorry situation, but mostly because it will never happen! Nobody on “R” side has the stones to make it happen......any more than anybody is going to the slammer for F & F! Congressional hearings? It just occurred to me today that CONGRESS is where atrocities, scandal cases and high crime investigations GO TO DIE!


62 posted on 10/08/2012 7:02:21 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: RummyChick

What if instead of trading the blind shiek, Obama planned to send in a rescue team comprised of SEALS? He probably envisioned a night insertion via helicopter and a quick snatch and grab operation. After the relatively smooth Osama op, Obama figured nothing would go wrong.


63 posted on 10/08/2012 7:02:35 PM PDT by Harley (Those that don't engage in politics are destined to be governed by inferiors. -Plato)
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To: Nervous Tick

“Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”

Thank you for that, I was trying to remember just how that went.


64 posted on 10/08/2012 7:07:45 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: kabumpo

The fact that we’re even discussing it as plausible is a pretty sickening reflection on Obama and his friends.

In the end, it sounds too far too me (possible though - I sense there is at least something beyond pure incompetence involved) but the main thing is - I wouldn’t put it past them - and that in itself says enough.

Would they do it if they could pull it off? This administration? In a second.

It’s always been part of Commie and Muslim code - all cult style codes where the individual is expendable - that if something furthers the great vision, it is by default not immoral - including all forms of immorality and trickery.


65 posted on 10/08/2012 7:23:16 PM PDT by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: IrishPennant

I open doors for women, too. WTF = Why The Face? What did you think it meant, something foul? Be civil!


66 posted on 10/08/2012 7:47:35 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: RummyChick

I bet that he would have made the deal secretly, then after his re-election delivery the Blind Sheik.

This is what JFK did with getting the Soviets to remove missiles from Cuba. Behind the scenes we agreed to remove missile from Turkey.


67 posted on 10/08/2012 8:00:27 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: freepertoo

I don’t put ANYTHING past this man and his cohorts!


68 posted on 10/08/2012 8:02:02 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: RummyChick
There are some facts that support something like this.
69 posted on 10/08/2012 9:05:50 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: RummyChick

Sorry, this makes no sense. You don’t set such things in motion without control of all the acting parties. Anyone can understand that the odds of success are very low with the unknowns evident in this “plan”.

There may well be some dirty business going on, but this isn’t it. Perhaps a doublecross? And that’s why Obama looked like death at the debate. Maybe he thought he had control of all the actors. Maybe the wrong group showed up first?

Still, smart power is the likely problem here. They wanted a light footprint and trusted the govt too much, with results like those in Afghanistan. I can’t believe some generals in ‘Stan haven’t resigned in protest over the ROE and the killings of Americans by Afghan soldiers.

Yep, I’m going with ‘utter ideological stupidity followed by a coverup’ on this one. I’ll keep my eyes open though.


70 posted on 10/08/2012 9:06:07 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: RummyChick

Watergate was nothing more than the theft of some campaign notes. THIS, what you are suggesting, is far, far more than that. Let’s just establish some givens: the breadth of the stupidity of such a plan is not beyond this administration; That they would have to depend on the actions of a gaggle of 7th century retards and HOPE they got it right is, also, not beyond this bunch; that they would engage in such a wide-reaching cover-up, aided and abetted by a complicit press, is absolutely believable. Still and all, this is very hard to believe that even THEY could do such a thing.

I agree, more than you could ever know, that Obama and this administration is evil from east to west. But this is something I just cannot believe.


71 posted on 10/08/2012 9:27:56 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: RummyChick

It would give this more credibility if they also staged it to look like he was going to save the life of a high ranking Gay person from sure terror and from Homophobes by making it look like he’s the gay protector from Homophobes ...... no, wait, they did have a gay person in harms way and did nothing to help him.


72 posted on 10/08/2012 10:04:05 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: generally
" Fast & Furious for the Second Amendment. Benghazi for the election win. "

And now CHI-CORNGATE...

CHI-CORN, doing the job of outsourcing fraud and scamming to China that Acorn got caught doing.

73 posted on 10/08/2012 10:07:35 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: rfp1234
" blind Sheik "

Blind Sheik's impression of St. Schultz " I see nothinnnnnnnng "
74 posted on 10/08/2012 10:09:10 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: RummyChick

Let me see if I get this, because I missed it before:

They posted an openly gay man to be Ambassador to Libya?

Why don’t we replace him with Porky Pig? Adam Sandler? Alan Dershowitz?

How about RuPaul? He’s looking for a job right?

Elton John? He, his partner, and his small boy can go and live in the Arab Springtime.

“Springtime for Hitler, and Germany!”


75 posted on 10/08/2012 10:11:36 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: RummyChick

That would explain why from reports that he was not acting right, acting paranoid, and the reports that the government didn’t know where he was at for a few hours.


76 posted on 10/08/2012 10:16:54 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: RummyChick
Only, Obama’s plan was to negotiate their quick released by trading the “Blind Sheik” from the 1993 World Trade Center bombings for any Americans taken hostage on 9/11/2001. The plan was to make Obama look like “a badass” and a to have him revel in this through October and into the November election.

Totally loony conspiracy theory!

Too many ways for such a plan to go wrong. Even if everything worked as planned, he'd be a weak-kneed traitor for having sprung the Blind Sheik. And that would be the best outcome. Most of the possible outcomes would have Obama looking like the jackass he is, not a badass!

77 posted on 10/08/2012 10:19:30 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: hinckley buzzard
So, are you LIHOP or MIHOP?

LOL!

78 posted on 10/08/2012 10:24:04 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: freepertoo
" I simply can’t bring myself to believe this. I disagree with Obama on every level, but I don’t think he would do something like this. "

The EPA using humans as guinea pigs in human experiments in a Auschwitz style gassing experiment in testing the effects of diesel smoke. ?

Think again.
79 posted on 10/08/2012 10:25:00 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Forgot to add in there: Department of Homeland Security doing the spying job on Americans that the KGB don’t want to do.


80 posted on 10/08/2012 10:27:25 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: RummyChick
Iran by proxy ?

How did they manage to convince Iran to halt their latest hobby of producing materials for nuclear weapons for 5 weeks ?
81 posted on 10/08/2012 10:35:31 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Chewbarkah
" Dujan’s fantasy is just too lame. "

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
82 posted on 10/08/2012 10:37:07 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: mplsconservative
" Just commenting on the guy’s assertions "

Assertions, wild speculations, this would not happen if the main steam media did their jobs in reporting honest non-based news.
When the media is derelict and negligent in doing their jobs assertions and speculations run wild.
83 posted on 10/08/2012 10:42:29 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Toespi
" Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy believes the deal to release Rahman has already been reached by the administration, and they are just waiting until after the election to announce it " ........

My, My, the timing of this, how convenient.

Just like Lockheed Martins pink slips to employees who are being laid off from work that won't be issued until AFTER the election.


But the National Geographic Special on Osama Bin Laden will be aired just BEFORE the election, but, they will accuse our side making it political when Romney came out and criticized this Administration's handling of what happened in Benghazi.
84 posted on 10/08/2012 10:51:53 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: PJBankard

While they may not be that intelligent, then entire sequence of operations, behavior of Hillary, Obama, and Administration, was very reminiscent of the Clinton Administration tone in their press-worthy significant events.

There is something in this which reeks of Clinton’ political spirit contriving the entire episode. It’s the same tone as the Elian affair, of Waco Branch Davidians, Watergate,...

It isn’t simple response or reaction. It’s contrived for a particular outcome, with the particular manifested mechanics being irrelevant, but nearly identical in tone to past Clintonian political operation episodes.

I haven’t fully grasped it, but I have perceived a unique Modus Operendi identifiable with the past Clinton’ spirit. It is very unique to their flavor of political action.


85 posted on 10/08/2012 10:56:18 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RummyChick
There is something really bizarre about the nonstop promotion of that ‘14 minute video’ by Obama. That whole show was an attempt to smear Christians and it sure did/does give the appearance there would need be retributions for the offensive nature of the video. (Maybe a peace offering of a blind criminal?)

When it was absolutely clear the video had nothing to do with the murders of 4 Americans, in spite of Obama and his crew attempts to say otherwise, the hysteria over the video dried up. I think this administration believed their own press about how much they are loved in Libya for removing a dictator. BUT running parallel to Obama’s overtures to the rebels, his drones are still taking out AlQaeda leadership... and AlQaeda took advantage of no security.

86 posted on 10/08/2012 11:19:50 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Please help Todd Akin defeat Claire and the GOP-e send money!!!!!)
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To: kabumpo

” I said this - in a reduced form - in a post about a week ago. “

(Are we allowed to say/reference LameCherry? so I will try:)

Way back, near the very beginning of this all, the LC blog had a, as usual, long and fully detailed post which laid out exactly this as the reason it was planned, for a hostage situation - wonder where they would have gotten that idea hmmmm - and our superman/gal (or superzer0) would ride to the rescue with great acclamation at just the right time.

Ever since reading that post, this explanation has seemed perfectly logical to me, like putting the right size peg in right size hole. And all the other explanations folks have been coming up with just never seemed to fit right in that hole.


87 posted on 10/08/2012 11:31:36 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord
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To: RummyChick

as the old saying goes: never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.


88 posted on 10/08/2012 11:48:24 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: PraiseTheLord

yes, made sense to me - the part I could make sense of - but I had also had the basic thought from jump that it was a number like that. It seemed obvious, like a movie plot.


89 posted on 10/09/2012 1:48:08 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SaxxonWoods

“Sorry, this makes no sense. You don’t set such things in motion without control of all the acting parties. Anyone can understand that the odds of success are very low with the unknowns evident in this “plan”.”

For starters, Fast and Furious.

And if you REALLY delve deep into the CIA activities..plenty of things are set in motion with NO control over most parties.


90 posted on 10/09/2012 8:45:10 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

here is an interesting post on Hillbuzz
“I hope you’re wrong about this. However, the scenario for this type of thing actually going down is not beyond narcissism.

Having a borderline malignant narcissist in the family, having no plan B is not in their make-up. They really, truly, believe that their plans will turn out exactly as they plan them. They’re so convinced of the sheer brilliance of the plan that they can see no other outcome but success. The thought that someone might get hurt, or worse, never enters their mind. I’ve seen the “or worse” part take place. It’s not tragic; it’s downright evil.”

Read more http://hillbuzz.org/did-obama-deliberately-try-to-stage-a-hostage-taking-in-benghazi-as-an-october-surprise-pr-stunt-that-blew-up-in-his-face-listen-live-at-330pm-cst-to-find-out-52149


91 posted on 10/09/2012 8:49:30 AM PDT by RummyChick
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