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Obama: 'Today we celebrate Cesar Chavez'
Associated Press ^ | Oct. 8, 2012 | BEN FELLER

Posted on 10/08/2012 5:44:24 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

KEENE, Calif. (AP) -- President Barack Obama on Monday designated the home of Latino labor leader Cesar Chavez as a national monument, calling Chavez a hero who brought hope to millions of poor, disenfranchised farm workers who otherwise might have remained "invisible" to much of the nation.

""Today, we celebrate Cesar Chavez," Obama said at a ceremony at La Paz, the California farmhouse where Chavez lived and worked for more than two decades.

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1 posted on 10/08/2012 5:44:28 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Hey Valerie, thought monument was for Hugo Chavez, who’s Cesar?”..


2 posted on 10/08/2012 5:53:35 PM PDT by rainee
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Who is “we”?


3 posted on 10/08/2012 5:53:38 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Winning is everything.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Let’s see panadera???

No, no, that’s not it.

Ah yes..Pander. Yes Pandering, while eating panadera with those how have been pandered to...


4 posted on 10/08/2012 5:56:18 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
No. Today we "celebrate" the Kenyan fascist dictator pulling off a government land grab in order to impress his Latino voter base and have them all kiss is *** in November.

The truth hurts but somebody has to say it. Chavez don't mean jack**** to the majority of Americans. We definitely don't need to turn his house into a National Monument funded with scarce taxpayer dollars. The U.S. Navy already named a Fluken ship after him. Isn't that enough?

5 posted on 10/08/2012 5:57:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Sorry Algore. It was attitude, NOT altitude.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Doing stuff like this just shows what a mack he is. He’s a maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.


6 posted on 10/08/2012 6:05:06 PM PDT by gotribe (He's a mack-daddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Did anyone bother to tell Obama that today is Columbus Day?

Maybe Obama should have attended some American History classes.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 6:07:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And today Obama congratulates Hugo Chavez.


8 posted on 10/08/2012 6:09:03 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: rainee

I just heard Obama’s speech about this and I swear he

sounded like BILL CLINTON! I don’t think I’m wrong?


9 posted on 10/08/2012 6:11:00 PM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kaffir!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Obama can now watch “Dreams from My Real Father”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2379807/

It is now on Netflix.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 6:13:25 PM PDT by Morris70
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why is he campaigning in CA?

Pray for America


11 posted on 10/08/2012 6:14:37 PM PDT by bray (If you vote for a communist what does that make you?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That’s right Obama, now that you have brought your 20 million illegal aliens into this country, why don’t you get down in the dirt like a slug and grovel for their vote publicly. You have no shame or morals.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 6:16:08 PM PDT by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: cameraeye

Desperate pandering..

Also, “Obama designated the site a national monument under the Antiquities Act—thus avoiding the need for approval from Congress.” Shocker.


13 posted on 10/08/2012 6:16:57 PM PDT by rainee
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To: cameraeye

Dude’s a shape shifter. Well, I’m sort of kidding. He’s a first class liar that can change his stance and cadence to fit the audience. Heaven help us.


14 posted on 10/08/2012 6:17:20 PM PDT by mplsconservative (A non-vote is a vote FOR 0bama.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Hugo Chavez, Cesar Chavez: Barry never met a commie he didn’t love!


15 posted on 10/08/2012 6:18:37 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In case anyone still didn’t think he was a commie he makes another monument to a sworn communist.

Pray for America


16 posted on 10/08/2012 6:19:10 PM PDT by bray (If you vote for a communist what does that make you?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; rainee; Vendome
Chavez a hero? Shouldn't that have something to do with accomplishment?

What Obama doesn't want to mention, is that the UFW was a failure; there are virtually no field or orchard workers working under a union contract (less than 2%). the UFW actually doesn't legitimately represent farm workers anymore, and in fact hasn't for a long time.

A couple of hear back, the Bakersfield Californian reported that most farm workers in the fields have never heard of Cesar Chavez and his United Farm Workers Union. The union’s health and pension plans each reported less than 3,500 contributing workers in a state which has, seasonally, from 350,000 to 700,000 workers in its fields and orchards. Less than 2% of the state’s agricultural workers are protected by a Farm Workers contract at any given time.

Of the union’s claims to have “won basic, humane treatment for the campesinos,” the LA Weekly’s Marc Cooper, writing in 2005, said, “nothing could be further from the truth.”

According to Cooper, wages of California’s farm workers have been at best stagnant and, by most reckonings, are in decline. With almost all workers stuck at the minimum wage of $6.75 an hour, it’s rare to find a farm worker whose annual income breaks $10,000 a year.

It's all brought into focus by this fact: the number of United Farm Workers contracts peaked at perhaps 150 in the mid-1970s; but as of about 5 years ago, there were “fewer than 25.” Yearly, the union solicits and receives $20 million to $30 million in donations, but "most of the funds go to burnish the Chavez image and expand the family business, a multimillion-dollar enterprise with an annual payroll of $12 million that includes a dozen Chavez relatives." --- that's according to the Los Angeles Times.

At this point, if they don't have access to their Mexican rent-a-slaves, California growers will probably find that mechanizing the remaining farm-labor jobs makes more economic sense than raising wages.

Or maybe California agriculture will go the way of the Michigan auto industry: they can do it cheaper in China.

Adios.

17 posted on 10/08/2012 6:20:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Credulity is belief with insufficient evidence, with no evidence, or against evidence.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ruben Navarrette Jr (CNN) says that Obama’s move was a mistake. Chavez and the UFW were totally against illegal immigrants.

Obama hits a foul by honoring Cesar Chavez
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/08/opinion/navarrette-chavez-obama/index.html


18 posted on 10/08/2012 6:31:46 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Garlic anyone?


19 posted on 10/08/2012 6:39:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Pandering to Latinos.


20 posted on 10/08/2012 6:50:36 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Who is “we”?”

Illegal alien invaders, islamists, communists and fagots.

LLS


21 posted on 10/08/2012 7:06:24 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Chavez was a communist pig. San Francisco “leaders” renamed the wide boulevard formerly called “Army Street”, to “Cesar Chavez”, despite protests from citizens. To this day, I and many others still refer to it as “Army Street”. Anything honoring the military was stripped away, and then they honor communists.


22 posted on 10/08/2012 7:57:07 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: listenhillary
It's true that Cesar Chavez was against illegal immigration, and even organized a short-lived border patrol to try to keep them out. But the UFW pushed this stand only feebly and inconsistently. During strikes, they didn't want strikebreakers trucked up from Mexico. But they changed their tactics fairly early to depend on boycotts, street demonstrations and political pressure rather than strikes; and for that, having lots of extra Mexicans around was a plus.

Full disclosure, I used to work for Chavez in the early days ((late 1969 - early 70's) and have been amazed at the internal contradictions. The Union movement finally failed, partly BECAUSE they were legalized by the CALRA (ask me why sometime for a long explanation) -- but the Chavez Family machine goes on, headed up by Paul Chavez, Artie Rodriguez, and a true pro-abortion pro-illegals mega-wicked witch, Dolores Huerta -- the whole shebang is now a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Trotskyite wing of the Democratic Party. It's rather sickening..

23 posted on 10/09/2012 5:45:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Credulity is belief with insufficient evidence, with no evidence, or against evidence.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I know this thread is two years old but, I just saw Chavez movie.

My friends went on quite a bit in celebration.

I found it plodding, myopic and the concerns of the workers dissappeared in the background.

I guess I understand they can’ t very well discuss Chavez’s view of illegal immigrants or “Wetbacks” as he called them on September 25, 1972 in an interview on KQED.

There were a few other items I brought up and was instantly challenged on but, Youtube of the man speaking pretty much trumps outrage.,

Particularly when you see the words formed by his lips as he speaks.

Would you care to expand on your post?

Thnx


24 posted on 03/29/2014 9:28:08 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome
After all these years I still don't have it all sorted out, particularly Cesar personally. It is a sin to make judgments about things you cannot know (like another person's interior disposition) and yet I keep thinking about his words and actions, and I see objectively huge contradictions which make me wonder whether he consciously turned toward the Dark Side, or was increasingly mentally ill from maybe the mid-70's on.

(Forgive me Lord if I am making illegitimate judgments. And Vendome, take all this with the appropriate grain of salt.)

The plain fact is, the influx of wave after wave of cheap workers will always destroy work environments, crater wages, and break unions. There's no way around it. If Cesar had been interested in winning in a classic labor union sense, he would have made a huge, consistent stink against the importation of low-wage low-skill workers, whether legal or illegal. That's the only way to *make* the employers negotiate with you.

But at some point, Chavez decided to turn the UFW into a lobby group, rather than a union. They would try to wrest whatever they could get, not from the employers but from the government. And for whom? Chicanos -- not necessarily farm workers.

And, in a real reversal from the way it was in the mid-60's, it got to the point that Cesar was bored or annoyed with actual farmworkers, and didn't even want to represent them. This came to a head of sorts in the 1970's, when the lettuce workers in Salinas went on strike, and Cesar found this too uppity-worker-led, too disruptive of what he was really going for. He dismissed any pretense of real worker-leadership or democracy in the Union. It was shameful.

And Cesar was getting paranoid as hell, secretive, and frankly nutty.

My memories of all the particulars are fading. The people who could really spill the beans would be Dr. Marian Moses, Cesar's physician; or Jerry Cohen, the gut-busting general of his brilliant, brutal lawfare battles against the UFW's opponents.

I don't even know if either one of them is still alive. Or if they would be willing to tell the truth, even now.

25 posted on 03/30/2014 8:14:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (La tierra pertenece a quien la trabaja.)
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To: Vendome
This fills in a lot of the details. It is heartbreaking reading.

http://monthlyreview.org/2010/05/01/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-united-farm-workers

Monthly Review is socialist, but it's not generally dishonest or fanatical or nutty. I think this is a pretty accurate version of what was going on. Confirms, and expands, as well, my own memory of it from my own very lowly perch.

26 posted on 03/30/2014 9:00:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (La tierra pertenece a quien la trabaja.)
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