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Anti-Muslim moviemaker may have jihadist ties (Was it a set up?)
Times247 ^ | 10/8/12 | David Isaac

Posted on 10/08/2012 7:22:55 PM PDT by lward99

The YouTube video that spawned a wave of violent protests across the Islamic world might be more than a crude exercise in anti-Muslim propaganda.

Walid Shoebat, a Middle East pundit and reformed terrorist, says there is reason to believe that the “Innocence of Muslims” video was a hoax designed to spark the huge outpouring of Muslim rage that it did.

Shoebat, who claims he is related to a man who was involved in criminal activities with one of the video's producers, knows something about terrorists. He says he used to be one — a radicalized Muslim who, in his own words, was “willing to die for the cause of jihad.” He has since converted to Christianity and lives in the United States, where he writes and lectures widely on the Islamic terror threat.

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/98what-if-that-youtube-video-was-a-muslim-set-up3#ixzz28lBWOiPG

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: movie; muslim; obama; shoebat
Obamuslim fell for it hook line and sinker.
1 posted on 10/08/2012 7:23:03 PM PDT by lward99
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To: lward99

Maybe a plan to derail the 1st Amendment in the name of Islam.

There’s an International effort to silence opposition to Islam, and the 1st Amendment hinders that agenda.


2 posted on 10/08/2012 7:26:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: lward99
Anti-Muslim moviemaker may have jihadist ties (Was it a set up?)

Of course it was a set up. Obama was the jihadist.

3 posted on 10/08/2012 7:28:30 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: lward99

I wish I could find the video of the guy who tied the ‘video’ back to the State Department. I’ll see if I can find it. Posted it here a couple of weeks ago.


4 posted on 10/08/2012 7:40:30 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: lward99

Liberals have been known to write their own ‘hate’ mail - then blame conservatives. It’s no surprise radical muslims have picked up on this pity party trick... it’s all part of the scam.


5 posted on 10/08/2012 7:45:38 PM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: lward99

if a jihadist made it then its not anti muslim, it’s just a jihadist film..I do think this should be made very public


6 posted on 10/08/2012 7:48:11 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: mountn man

One look at 0bama’s endorsement, assistance and funding of the Muslim Brotherhood substantiates that. The MB being ‘mostly secular and non-violent’ is the lie of the century. Wouldn’t surprise me if they were behind our Embassy attack in Libya.


7 posted on 10/08/2012 7:55:27 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: lward99
The jihadists have learned how to play liberals like fiddle. These Arabs are as shifty as they come.
8 posted on 10/08/2012 8:02:36 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: GOPJ
Liberals have been known to write their own ‘hate’ mail - then blame conservatives.

That's mild. Liberals have been known to beat themselves to a bloody pulp, carve slurs into their own skin, and vandalize their own property to blame it on conservatives.

9 posted on 10/08/2012 8:03:27 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

The whole Arab spring thing was penned in the White house, orchestrated, choreographed and conducted by none other than Barack Hussein and paid for by the American taxpayer. It is all part of his empowerment of Islam and creation of the north African caliphate.

All consistent with his objective... to marginalize America.


10 posted on 10/08/2012 8:11:18 PM PDT by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: lward99

“Obamuslim fell for it hook line and sinker. “

He was in it up to his neck. Why do you think he insisted on reducing security after requests to be protected by the ambassador?


11 posted on 10/08/2012 8:11:30 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Gene Eric

The video looks suspicious. Every time they say Mohammad’s name the lip-synching is off. This leads me to believe that the film was about something else and someone edited it to include Mohammad’s name. It doesn’t even look professional.


12 posted on 10/08/2012 8:21:25 PM PDT by r0tten
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To: lward99

Do bears use Charmin in the woods ?


13 posted on 10/08/2012 8:22:58 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: IMR 4350

For your information


14 posted on 10/08/2012 8:26:33 PM PDT by sdpatriot (Rush:" the media didn't make her, so they can't control her")
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To: GOPJ
" Liberals have been known to write their own ‘hate’ mail - then blame conservatives. It’s no surprise radical muslims have picked up on this pity party trick... it’s all part of the scam. "

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Jesses Jackson's shakedown of companies for money, money, money and mo money.
15 posted on 10/08/2012 8:27:20 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Gene Eric

Really makes more sense than the Coptic/Jewish cover story does.


16 posted on 10/08/2012 8:42:42 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
Proof Positive - In My Opinion (who created Innocence of Muslims)(Obama)

Is that what you're looking for? He has made some more videos since then that clarify things even further.

Montagraph

17 posted on 10/08/2012 8:48:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: r0tten
There were four versions of Nakoula's movie.

Only the final one was forwarded, by persons unknown, to Sheikh Khalid Abdullah the cleric in Cairo who aired it on TV. Nakoula, the maker of the original film, was not the one who uploaded the final version, Innocence of Muslims, to the internet.

You can hear some interesting things about the timeline of all these iterations of "the movie" in the Youtube video linked below. Start at 9:30 and watch to 16:00 for the meat of that.

False Flag, Currently Underway ?

18 posted on 10/08/2012 8:56:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

I am glad this story is still being told. The original interview with his cousin was made public at least a couple of weeks ago. For some reason the MSM keeps ignoring it.


19 posted on 10/08/2012 9:09:02 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15

I must have missed that myself.


20 posted on 10/08/2012 9:13:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: lward99

This possibility entered my mind a few days after the video became big news. The buildup in Germany to Hitler’s attempt to take over the world was accelerated by actions of “Agents Provocateur.” I’m sure the history of such trickery goes back much farther. One item less recognized or discussed is the relationship between Nazis and Muslims in the 1930’s - 1940’s. There is at least one picture of Hitler walking alongside the Mufti of Jerusalem, the uncle of Egyptian peace-prize winning Yasser Arafat. Any provocative issue that comes out of Egypt must be examined in this light.


21 posted on 10/08/2012 9:14:53 PM PDT by Bravada (Wherever I Stand, I Stand With Israel!)
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To: lward99
Walid Shoebat had this on 9/27/12.

http://www.shoebat.com/2012/09/27/innocence-of-muslims-film-was-made-by-terrorists-2/

22 posted on 10/08/2012 9:21:16 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: freeangel

Total incompetence?


23 posted on 10/08/2012 9:23:08 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: lward99


24 posted on 10/09/2012 1:31:35 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: sdpatriot
I've seen it and I agree the video was more than likely made as a cover story for the attack.

This terrorist attack fits the pattern of the other terrorist attacks, civil unrest was orchestrated prior to the attack with phony and hyped news story.

The details may change for each attack, but the pattern doesn't change it stays the same. That's why I have ZERO doubts this plan was cooked up by Hillary.

Hillary is a 100% psychopath. She repeats herself.

The last attempted terrorist attack on an airline with the underwear bomber that turned out to be a plant in the terrorist ranks, confirmed the pattern.

The left ginned up civil unrest with the hyped and phony Trayvon Martin BS, then the underwear bomber was given the go ahead for the attack.

I believe that's the reason for this attack being planned the way it was.

They were trying to cover up with this attack that the left has been orchestrating the news/civil unrest for the attacks and want to make it appear as if the terrorist are planning the attacks based on civil unrest that is in the news or the terrorist themselves are orchestrating the news/civil unrest for the attack.

25 posted on 10/09/2012 5:00:14 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: TigersEye
Thanks for the Montagraph link.

The movie was made by Pali operatives and posted to youtube by someone in Stanley. Stanley's hq is in Arlington. Same company's employees were charged with rooting around BHO's passport information, remember that one?

Produced by AQ, promoted by CIA, touted by both sides. So, what is going on?

26 posted on 10/09/2012 6:43:50 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Good catch. More recently the lesbian who carved hate messages onto her own skin... all fake - all done by her...blames white men.


27 posted on 10/09/2012 7:48:16 AM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Yep, that’s line of succession on Innocence of Muslims. Pretty interesting isn’t it? Someone with influence in (or over) the CIA sent the final cut to a Cairo cleric. Possibly even did the final editing and dubbing. It’s a setup.


28 posted on 10/09/2012 10:52:39 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye
I can't figure out what this is all about. Obviously the youtube posting was done in June with the idea to use it later for one purpose or another.

Interesting? The families of those four dead might have another word for it.

If you have any ideas, I'd be glad to hear them.

29 posted on 10/09/2012 3:03:23 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Proving any theory about why it was done is going to be hard to do. Not enough evidence or dots connected at this point. It seems like a cover was being built to explain the outbreak of violence at the Cairo embassy and the consulate in Benghazi. The problem with that regarding Benghazi is the fact that numerous witnesses have confirmed that there were no crowds or rioters upset about the film. The attack there was clearly a planned military style assault. But it is clear that 0 & H did their best to use the film as an excuse for it all.

Obama and Hillary Apologize for Free Speech on Pakistani TV (taxpayer-funded ads) Sept. 20, 2012

Which immediately resulted in this...

Pakistan: 17 killed in anti-Islam film protests Sept. 21, 2012

Now 0bama goes to the UN and re-inflames the Muslim world once again over the manufactured offense "Innocence of Muslims."

U.S. President Speaks to U.N. About YouTube Video

The excuse was failing at that point but they pushed it even further until it resulted in riots and killings in Pakistan. Just a way to bolster the notion that the film did cause the violence? Keep in mind that Hillary herself used the Cairo embassy Twitter account to apologize for the film the afternoon of the riots there. Before the Benghazi assault had occurred.

30 posted on 10/09/2012 3:29:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye
Proving any theory about why it was done is going to be hard to do.

At this point, yes, extremely difficult.

Not enough evidence or dots connected at this point. It seems like a cover was being built to explain the outbreak of violence at the Cairo embassy and the consulate in Benghazi. The problem with that regarding Benghazi is the fact that numerous witnesses have confirmed that there were no crowds or rioters upset about the film. The attack there was clearly a planned military style assault. But it is clear that 0 & H did their best to use the film as an excuse for it all.

Yes, but the youtube video was in place for months. A copy was sent to the Egyptian cleric two days BEFORE 9/11. The film was used as a CATALYST. Later O & H tried to use it as cover.

The excuse was failing at that point but they pushed it even further until it resulted in riots and killings in Pakistan.

Right. They stupidly doubled down. Why? This is the crazy part.

Keep in mind that Hillary herself used the Cairo embassy Twitter account to apologize for the film the afternoon of the riots there. Before the Benghazi assault had occurred.

That is news to me. Are you sure about this?

31 posted on 10/09/2012 4:12:51 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Yes, but the youtube video was in place for months. A copy was sent to the Egyptian cleric two days BEFORE 9/11. The film was used as a CATALYST.

A big question is who forwarded it to the cleric. Also, Nakoula is not the one who uploaded it in June.

Later O & H tried to use it as cover.

Three days later by the timeline you just established.

That is news to me. Are you sure about this?

I may have been wrong about that.

Hillary Doubled Down on Egypt 'Apology'

Clinton's statements on the day's events, released through the State Department's website and Twitter feed, condemn "in the strongest possible terms" an attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya in Benghazi that left one American dead, but offer no condemnation of the attack on the U.S. embassy in Cairo.

Instead, Clinton reiterates an apology issued earlier today by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo--now deleted--which said: "We condemn the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims." (Note the time of that Twitter feed 7:54 PM Sep. 11, '12. I believe that is EDT which would be 1:54 AM Sep. 12 in Cairo and Benghazi.)

Inside the public relations disaster at the Cairo embassy

After the breach, as public criticism of the statement grew, the Cairo Embassy Twitter account continued to send out tweets defending it, some of which were later deleted. One deleted tweet, originally posted at 12:30 a.m. Cairo time, said, "This morning's condemnation (issued before protests began) still stands. As does condemnation of unjustified breach of the Embassy." (That would have been 12:30 AM Cairo time on Sep. 12.)

US Libyan consulate attack: Timeline of events

10pm: Attackers open fire at the consulate, which has a main building and a smaller annex.

11.20pm: A second attempt to retake the main building is successful. Fighting moves to the annex.

(snip)

Midnight: Fighting at the annex - reported to last about two hours - results in the deaths of two more Americans, later named by US authorities as former Navy Seals whose job was to protect the other staff.

1.15am: Mr Stevens arrives at a nearby hospital - it is not known who took him. A doctor there has told the BBC that he spent an hour trying to revive him, but that Mr Stevens died from smoke inhalation.

2.30am: Security forces regain control of the annex.

(That is all Benghazi time.)

So, depending on which account of when Hillary tweeted the apology, 12:30 AM or 1:54 AM, it occurred right about the time the ambassador reached the hospital and during the height of the fight at the annex. Shortly afterward the tweet was deleted.

32 posted on 10/09/2012 7:09:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

Placemark.


33 posted on 10/09/2012 7:40:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks, TE!!! <3


34 posted on 10/09/2012 7:49:08 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Happy to help.


35 posted on 10/09/2012 9:24:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

Montagraph claims that the upload to youtube and the post to the Egyptian mullah originated at the Stanley company in Arlington.


36 posted on 10/10/2012 5:23:41 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I am not sure that is exactly what he is saying. IIRC he said the last version, Innocence of Muslims, was uploaded by a user affiliated with the mysterious NPN or NLN news Youtube channels and that both NPN and NLN's logos trace back only to Stanley Inc. The font is not associated with any other entity on the internet whatsoever.

I don't think he said who forwarded the video (or link to it) to the cleric. My memory may be failing me on that.

37 posted on 10/10/2012 12:43:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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