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GE, Chesapeake Offer 'CNG In A Box' For Gas Stations
Yahoo via IBD ^ | 8 Oct 2012 | KEVIN HARLIN

Posted on 10/09/2012 3:47:23 AM PDT by shove_it

General Electric (GE) and natural gas supplier Chesapeake Energy (CHK) have partnered on a "CNG in a Box," an all-in-one package that allows convenience stores and gas stations to add a pump for compressed natural gas. CNG, a cleaner-burning fuel than gasoline or diesel, is about $1.50 cheaper than the equivalent amount of gas, thanks to huge domestic reserves. The fuel is being embraced by fleets — about 40% of trash trucks sold in the U.S. last year ran on natural gas. But very few consumer vehicles run on the cheap, plentiful fuel in part because of the higher costs of the cars and sparse network of fueling stations. Proponents are hopeful that expanded fueling networks will spur CNG auto demand, which in turn will encourage more stations to set up CNG pumps...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy

1 posted on 10/09/2012 3:47:32 AM PDT by shove_it
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To: shove_it

This is a perfet contrast-clean energy solutions provided by free market capitalism discussed in this article-versus government imposed green energy programs.

Gee, I wonder which will succeed?


2 posted on 10/09/2012 3:58:50 AM PDT by almcbean
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To: shove_it

How long until a “fuel tax” gets added to LNG?


3 posted on 10/09/2012 4:19:30 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: shove_it

After Obama is gone I will probably get a CNG conversion for my Silverado dually, it has the 8.1 liter Vortec engine so any small horsepower loss won’t be readily felt.


4 posted on 10/09/2012 4:24:44 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: shove_it

I thought it was funny and fitting: we were at Epcot Center and Obama’s favorite ride-—the GM test track-—was broke.


5 posted on 10/09/2012 4:25:22 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: glorgau

If it progresses to people fueling from at home compressors off their own NG line then states will more than likely adopt a pay per mile through an on board transmitter like a smart meter.

Very touchy subject for many. And another reason why the feds are NOT backing NG fuel, because its a bitch to collect revenue on.


6 posted on 10/09/2012 4:27:34 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Eye of Unk

I hope this catches on, CNG is a good alternative to gasoline. But lack of fueling stations in my area make it impractical.


7 posted on 10/09/2012 4:30:34 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: glorgau

Actually a fuel tax should be added to CNG (which I assume you meant, and not LNG) used for automotive purposes. Fuel taxes are how we fund roads. There is nothing non-conservative about doing that.

There should also be a fuel tax for electricity used to charge electric vehicles, for similar reasons.


8 posted on 10/09/2012 4:31:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: jaydubya2

I don’t care about any fuel stations, I only commute 26 miles a day in Alaska, all I need is an at home compressor station, if I have to travel longer distances I’ll use gasoline.

Eventually this can be expanded to use compressed methane which is nearly the same as NG, methane can come from decomp of waste like manure.


9 posted on 10/09/2012 4:36:13 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Eye of Unk

I hope it works out for you. I looked at home refueling stations also. But you need to install a dedicated gas line and it takes several hours to refuel.


10 posted on 10/09/2012 4:43:05 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: shove_it

CNG has been widely used for public transportation in the last 30 years around the world. Indeed, in Japan CNG is the standard fuel for taxicabs since the beginning of the 1980’s. And buses in Japan have begun the switch from diesel fuel to CNG nationwide.


11 posted on 10/09/2012 4:45:18 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: shove_it
You can get a CNG compressor for your own garage:

Phill

The availability is a bit limited now. And, you'll need a car fueled by CNG, like this one:

2012 Honda Civic CNG

The combination is great for a commuter car. But, you would have to compare the cost of both, plus the price of natural gas, to buying something like a Prius that gets better mileage.

12 posted on 10/09/2012 4:45:28 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: jaydubya2

I live in Alaska, most everything is different, I used to refuel propane fueled tow trucks. So it takes several hours to compress NG from your line to a tank, only need to refuel once a week or even less, truck will be dual fuel.


13 posted on 10/09/2012 4:46:11 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: LS
I thought it was funny and fitting: we were at Epcot Center and Obama’s favorite ride-—the GM test track-—was broke.

When I was there, the test track was almost always down.

I don't know what makes it so touchy, but I saw it switch from operational to shutdown several times in a day.

I finally had a chance to ride it when I happened to walk by it at the right time, just as it opened.

14 posted on 10/09/2012 4:48:36 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: glorgau

“How long until a “fuel tax” gets added to LNG?”

Already here:

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/motorfuel/faqs.htm


15 posted on 10/09/2012 4:59:51 AM PDT by shove_it (DNC = perpetual emotion machine)
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To: Eye of Unk
Eventually this can be expanded to use compressed methane which is nearly the same as NG

Pipeline quality Natural Gas, the quality that is delivered to homes and business, is nearly pure methane. The Natural Gas from the wellhead contains natural gas liquids, water, CO2, Nitrogen, H2S, etc that gets removed at the Natural Gas processing plant.

http://naturalgas.org/overview/background.asp

16 posted on 10/09/2012 5:13:54 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shove_it

I can’t imagine how difficult it has been to be in the trucking business or an owner-operator these past few years. That is interesting about the “CNG in a box”. I’ve been interested in the aspect of CNG infrastructure the past few years and that Honda is only CNG consumer vehicle and only available in CA and CT, last time I looked. I’d rather this be pursued and pursued by private industry than Baroke and his government crony friends down the toilet approach.


17 posted on 10/09/2012 5:21:06 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: Eye of Unk
"If it progresses to people fueling from at home compressors off their own NG line then states will more than likely adopt a pay per mile through an on board transmitter like a smart meter."

Why?? Far easier to equip the home compressor with recording and transmitting means.....just like the "smart" controller on my water heater.

18 posted on 10/09/2012 5:28:43 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: shove_it

I have a lot of CNG this morning. My stomach is rumbling.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 5:53:35 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: almcbean

Don’t accept the premise that those promoting “green energy” have abundant energy and a properous economy and society as their goal.

As Obama stated, “green energy is not some socialist plot”, ie, green energy IS a socialist plot.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 5:59:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Qwackertoo
Honda is only CNG consumer vehicle and only available in CA and CT, last time I looked.

They've started selling them in Nebraska and we have a couple of CNG stations in town.

21 posted on 10/09/2012 6:14:37 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Eye of Unk

I grew up in rural NM, and we had dual fuel. Had a little switch on the dash, retrofitted. I have always wondered why more vehicles weren’t converted.


22 posted on 10/09/2012 6:23:47 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: Eye of Unk

You’ll probably be satisfied with it... Our work trucks run off of propane running that same engine, and they run really good..


23 posted on 10/09/2012 6:56:05 AM PDT by Schwaeky (The Republic--Shall be reorganized into the first American EMPIRE, for a safe and secure Society!)
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To: Qwackertoo

Several automotive shops here in Tulsa area do CNG conversations. The state offers rebates and along with federal incentives reduces the cost of conversation considerably. CNG refilling stations are starting to pop up and the City of Tulsa now allows anyone the opportunity to fill up at the city facility.

Our family had a CNG converted Chevy pick-up back in the mid 60’s.


24 posted on 10/09/2012 7:57:08 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

I have wondered why the gov’t didn’t mandate that all of their new vehicles would be powered by CNG. Once the local, state and federal fleets are converted you will have enough refueling stations that the regular consumer won’t feel like part of the experiment.


25 posted on 10/09/2012 8:11:26 AM PDT by Edison (I don't know what irks me more, the lying or the incompetence.)
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To: shove_it

I fone wants to convert a traditional, truly full-size sedan (e.g. Crown Vic, Roadmaster, New Yorker LHS) to CNG, how much trunk gets used up? How many miles from the tank?


26 posted on 10/09/2012 9:24:30 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: crosshairs
I have a lot of CNG this morning. My stomach is rumbling.

I hope it doesn't turn into LNG.

27 posted on 10/09/2012 10:12:06 AM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Click here:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/how-to/maintenance/should-you-convert-your-car-to-natural-gas


28 posted on 10/09/2012 12:28:55 PM PDT by shove_it (DNC = perpetual emotion machine)
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To: justlurking

Doesn’t the Phill have a terrible reputation for poor reliability / short life?

I remember seeing a lot of complaints on a forum that was mostly California folks.


29 posted on 10/09/2012 12:31:19 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: shove_it
CNG, a cleaner-burning fuel than gasoline or diesel, is about $1.50 cheaper than the equivalent amount of gas, thanks to huge domestic reserves.

Not for long. With demand skyrocketing the price is already up 20% this year last time I checked.

The states and the feds will add another $1 per gallon equivalent tax when they figure out what's going on.

30 posted on 10/09/2012 12:31:33 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

See reply #15.

Though I do agree with you that our various friendly government bodies will be there to help us by increasing those taxes.


31 posted on 10/09/2012 12:44:26 PM PDT by shove_it (DNC = perpetual emotion machine)
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To: shove_it

LOL!

I could’ve just read the thread.

Thanx. :)


32 posted on 10/09/2012 6:19:26 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: shove_it
How's that gonna work in a real car?


33 posted on 10/09/2012 6:42:33 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: PLMerite

If I had a motor with a blower like that I’d be using E85.
105 octane for 3 bucks a gallon - way cheaper than race gas.


34 posted on 10/09/2012 6:50:28 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: nascarnation

I’ll take your word for it. I don’t know enough about how that stuff affects motors to tell. Not that I have anything that looks like the picture...


35 posted on 10/09/2012 7:01:09 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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