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The Bad News About Good Hybrids
Eric Pters Automobiles, Motorcycles, Libertarian Politics ^ | October 9, 2012 | Eric Peters

Posted on 10/09/2012 8:34:51 AM PDT by arthurus

They want control. Absolute, total control. Of everything.

The state ruined Paypal – which originally provided a way for people to transact business anonymously and without cutting in Uncle Sam (a major “crime” in the USSA) and will soon ruin Amazon, eBay and countless other online retailers. The Net is about to be locked down as tight as anything else under government’s thumb. It was permitted to be free until it became too successful. And that is exactly what’s going to happen to the cars that are supposed to free us from $4 a gallon fill-ups. As soon as they can actually do that – and as soon as there are enough of them in people’s driveways – the boom will be lowered.

I suspect we’ll end up paying even more to drive – that is, whenever we’re allowed to drive.

(Excerpt) Read more at ericpetersautos.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: cars; control; taxes

1 posted on 10/09/2012 8:34:57 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus

‘They’ want a docile, immobile, ignorant, unarmed and unsuspecting populace.

I want ‘Them’ gone.................


2 posted on 10/09/2012 8:44:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Red Badger

The Gasoline tax is one of the few that actully gets spent on what it was supposed to pay for... ROADS so the freeloaders using non tax fuel on the ROADS will be required at some point to pay too. Sadly in all likelihood the new tax will be on everyone so we that use cars that do use gasoline will be taxed twice. (diesel’s too)


3 posted on 10/09/2012 8:48:06 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: arthurus

Paypal is ruined? I had aprox 100 transactions in 2012 without a problem.


4 posted on 10/09/2012 8:52:13 AM PDT by entropy12 (Romney/Ryan 2012... Please send more campaign cash to them.)
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To: arthurus

what is a “good” hybrid?
...anything the Government subsidizes,
like volts and ethanol,
is NOT “good”!


5 posted on 10/09/2012 8:55:00 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: arthurus

Oregon had a big state subsidy promotion to get people to buy crappy little electric and hybrid cars. Then they realized that people not buying gas weren’t “paying their fair share” of the highway tax. So now they have added a surcharge to registration fees to punish the tiny bug car owners and they are working on a law to put GPS in every car so they can tell how far people drive and charge them an appropriate mobility tax.


6 posted on 10/09/2012 8:57:29 AM PDT by Baynative
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To: Bidimus1

The Gasoline tax is one of the few that actully gets spent on what it was supposed to pay for... ROADS.”

Actually it doesn’t get spent on roads in many states but is dumped into the general fund to cover some of the latest shortfalls. What dollars do make it to pay for infrastructure repair are among the least monitored and I would suspect grossly fraught with fraud and abuse.


7 posted on 10/09/2012 8:58:56 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Bidimus1
For many years, the state of Missouri siphoned off $.02 to $.03 of every nickle in the state gas tax for other agencies. It took a special ballot question to get this corrected. I don't think Missouri was alone in this...
8 posted on 10/09/2012 8:59:37 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: entropy12

I had aprox 100 transactions in 2012 without a problem.”

2012 isn’t over yet!


9 posted on 10/09/2012 9:00:59 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: arthurus

Shhhhhhhh......they’re smarter than you.


10 posted on 10/09/2012 9:04:29 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Good for Missouri !

Texas is pretty good on this as I understand it.


11 posted on 10/09/2012 9:05:15 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1
Gas tax is routinely diverted to pay for "mass transit" buses, trolleys and trains. The roads are left unmaintained with cracks and potholes.
12 posted on 10/09/2012 9:05:38 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bidimus1

We are heading into an era where our true mileage, driving habits, where we drive and driving records will determine our vehicle insurance costs.

Left wing states like Oregone have advocated that drivers of all vehicles be taxed per mile to pay for road repair and damage from traffic. I believe that at one time the enviralists in Oregone were pushing to have GPS units in every car go log every mile, top speeds, average speed and where the mileage happened.

Progressive is pushing for its customers to install a meter/sensor that will give them data on each vehicle re driving habits plus mileage.

We have had State Farm for decades an about two years ago started sending in our odometer readings every quarter. We don’t drive that much retirees.

Of course no taxes will be eliminated. California on top of our abused road taxes charge sales tax on $ we buy.

As conservatives, we believe that if you use something that is paid for by our taxes, you should pay for your fair share.

We do have a problem when the liberals in charge use for example Road tax $’s to fund their wet dreams.


13 posted on 10/09/2012 9:06:16 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Bidimus1
The Gasoline tax is one of the few that actually gets spent on what it was supposed to pay for... ROADS...

Sadly, the premise of your statement is false.

14 posted on 10/09/2012 9:11:20 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Myrddin

“Gas tax is routinely diverted to pay for “mass transit” buses, trolleys and trains. The roads are left unmaintained with cracks and potholes.”

That is what happened most counties in Californicatoru land.

Here in Wino county our roads were starting to look third world country roads, until a non partisian group discovered how the game was being played. Amazingly, the counties/cities found money to start paving and maintaining our roads. This road renewal started about the time of the financial meltdown, and millions and millions of $’s have been funneled into getting roads back in shape.

However due to what many of us would call criminal misuse of the road money for over a decade, our roads will never be up to par. Some of us live with roads that have not had any major maintenance for 3-4 decades, and we will be the last ones getting any road repair funds.


15 posted on 10/09/2012 9:13:14 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Myrddin
Gas tax is routinely diverted to pay for "mass transit" buses, trolleys and trains. The roads are left unmaintained with cracks and potholes.

That's what I figured.
In the end, the socialists always find a way to divert taxpayer ("Republican") dollars into the concentrated Democrat parasite nests ("cities").

16 posted on 10/09/2012 9:13:28 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: arthurus; All
Keep in mind that any increase in transportation taxes is an attack on rural people and designed to subsidize the Sodom and Gomorrah big cities.
17 posted on 10/09/2012 9:19:33 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Bidimus1
The Gasoline tax is one of the few that actully gets spent on what it was supposed to pay for... ROADS so the freeloaders using non tax fuel on the ROADS will be required at some point to pay too.

You don't live in California, do you? In the once-Golden state, our legislature has been raiding the gas tax money for years - as a result our highways are among the worst in the nation.

18 posted on 10/09/2012 9:19:42 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative

Guess my seeing thing through the lens of Texas may have made me overly optimistic.

Though the solution of taxing everyone DOES have a high change of happening


19 posted on 10/09/2012 9:22:30 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Grampa Dave

Should have been:

“Of course no taxes will be eliminated. California on top of our abused road taxes charge a sales tax on gas $ we spend.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 9:28:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Bidimus1

CNG.


21 posted on 10/09/2012 9:49:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: entropy12
Maybe he meant that you can't be anonymous anywhere now even on paypal as the government requires every business ID everyone ( any business providing money transactions like banks, paypal , credit cards etc.). The government wants to know every transaction that you do so they can tax and control you more and they used 9/11 as an excuse to crack down even more.

I notice more and more retailers want to register you, for cards etc.

22 posted on 10/09/2012 10:05:32 AM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: Red Badger

Unfortunately, our road and highway deterioration will accelerate due to the increase in mileage traveled by electric or hybrid vehicles. Right now, if you don’t want to pay the gas tax, you can stay at home and not drive. The gas tax is more or less a user fee, much like tolls. If you don’t want to pay it, don’t use it. But with transferance of costs, the real costs will be hidden, and all of us will subsidize the costs of those few who want to drive on our roadways.


23 posted on 10/09/2012 10:16:40 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: Bidimus1

The issue of fuel taxes as road taxes should be resolved, and should have been resolved ahead of time, so that to the extent that fuel taxes are appropriate, all vehicles, “fossil fuel” powered or otherwise pay some form of them; some form that amounts to an equal assesssment of “fuel” consumed.

Leaving “fossil fuel” vehicles alone paying them IS an injustice, amounting to a lack of “equal protection” of the laws, as all vehicles, including “alternative” vehicles use the same roads.

When you return to my first statement, you realize that the author is correct in one thing. Not only WILL electric vehciles be assessed some “energy/fuel” tax at some point (in my opinion they should be in equality with fossil fuel vehicles), but also, if they are as energy efficient as the author suggests (in terms of the per mile amount of energy consumed), then should electric vehicles ever dominate the road either their energy taxes will be raised a lot, or the politicians will find some other way to assess everyone for taxes to support the roads.


24 posted on 10/09/2012 11:30:40 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

If the author was right on the cost / benifit of electric cars they would domintate the market. And here are reasons why

Battery Cost
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304432704577350052534072994.html

Battery Temp Issues
http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/transportation/your-evs-battery-life-depends-on-where-you-live/1711

Battery Failure “Brick”
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/02/the-tesla-roadster-bricking-story-details-deconstructed/

Oh and no one will pay the cost for one with out .Gov s subsidy $7500

When/If supercap or hydraulic / mechanical hybrids become available they will be a better solution then LiOn is right now I think.


25 posted on 10/09/2012 12:12:55 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1

I don’t believe that I said the author was right on the “cost/benefit” analysis of hybrids or electric vehicles.

I did speculate on tax possibilities “IF” the author was correct on the energy per mile consumption, not the “cost” or “benefits” of the electric energy consumption.

Naturally, there is more to what powers a vehicle than just the fuel, and in the case of electric/hybrid/battery power, the one time costs - the vehicle, and the ongoing costs - battery life and their replacement costs, indicate the technoloy is not up for head to head competition with gasoline and diesel power. I am not arguing differently.

My essential point was that even without those considerations, or in addition to those considerations, electric/battery powered vehicles are likely to have new and growing expenses, vis-a-vis “fuel/energy” taxes. To me that just seems inevitable, and in my opinion should already be under legislative consideration. Why should only gas/diesel powered vehicles pay “fuel taxes” for the roads?


26 posted on 10/09/2012 1:23:33 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Bidimus1

“When/If supercap or hydraulic / mechanical hybrids become available they will be a better solution then LiOn is right now I think.”

I think it’s possible that U.S. domestic natural gas supplies and that market might make CNG a viable alternative to gas/diesel power, in greater numbers and before themselves meeting equal competition from electric/battery powered solutions. The industry is already advanced in the provision of residential units for refueling.


27 posted on 10/09/2012 1:37:48 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Grampa Dave
I upgraded to a Harley Fat Bob with the big front tire. It handles the crappy roads much better than bikes with a "pizza cutter" for a front wheel.
28 posted on 10/09/2012 2:28:24 PM PDT by Myrddin
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