Skip to comments.The Bad News About Good Hybrids
Posted on 10/09/2012 8:34:51 AM PDT by arthurus
They want control. Absolute, total control. Of everything.
The state ruined Paypal which originally provided a way for people to transact business anonymously and without cutting in Uncle Sam (a major crime in the USSA) and will soon ruin Amazon, eBay and countless other online retailers. The Net is about to be locked down as tight as anything else under governments thumb. It was permitted to be free until it became too successful. And that is exactly whats going to happen to the cars that are supposed to free us from $4 a gallon fill-ups. As soon as they can actually do that and as soon as there are enough of them in peoples driveways the boom will be lowered.
I suspect well end up paying even more to drive that is, whenever were allowed to drive.
(Excerpt) Read more at ericpetersautos.com ...
‘They’ want a docile, immobile, ignorant, unarmed and unsuspecting populace.
I want ‘Them’ gone.................
The Gasoline tax is one of the few that actully gets spent on what it was supposed to pay for... ROADS so the freeloaders using non tax fuel on the ROADS will be required at some point to pay too. Sadly in all likelihood the new tax will be on everyone so we that use cars that do use gasoline will be taxed twice. (diesel’s too)
Paypal is ruined? I had aprox 100 transactions in 2012 without a problem.
what is a “good” hybrid?
...anything the Government subsidizes,
like volts and ethanol,
is NOT “good”!
Oregon had a big state subsidy promotion to get people to buy crappy little electric and hybrid cars. Then they realized that people not buying gas weren’t “paying their fair share” of the highway tax. So now they have added a surcharge to registration fees to punish the tiny bug car owners and they are working on a law to put GPS in every car so they can tell how far people drive and charge them an appropriate mobility tax.
The Gasoline tax is one of the few that actully gets spent on what it was supposed to pay for... ROADS.”
Actually it doesn’t get spent on roads in many states but is dumped into the general fund to cover some of the latest shortfalls. What dollars do make it to pay for infrastructure repair are among the least monitored and I would suspect grossly fraught with fraud and abuse.
I had aprox 100 transactions in 2012 without a problem.”
2012 isn’t over yet!
Shhhhhhhh......they’re smarter than you.
Good for Missouri !
Texas is pretty good on this as I understand it.
We are heading into an era where our true mileage, driving habits, where we drive and driving records will determine our vehicle insurance costs.
Left wing states like Oregone have advocated that drivers of all vehicles be taxed per mile to pay for road repair and damage from traffic. I believe that at one time the enviralists in Oregone were pushing to have GPS units in every car go log every mile, top speeds, average speed and where the mileage happened.
Progressive is pushing for its customers to install a meter/sensor that will give them data on each vehicle re driving habits plus mileage.
We have had State Farm for decades an about two years ago started sending in our odometer readings every quarter. We don’t drive that much retirees.
Of course no taxes will be eliminated. California on top of our abused road taxes charge sales tax on $ we buy.
As conservatives, we believe that if you use something that is paid for by our taxes, you should pay for your fair share.
We do have a problem when the liberals in charge use for example Road tax $’s to fund their wet dreams.
Sadly, the premise of your statement is false.
“Gas tax is routinely diverted to pay for “mass transit” buses, trolleys and trains. The roads are left unmaintained with cracks and potholes.”
That is what happened most counties in Californicatoru land.
Here in Wino county our roads were starting to look third world country roads, until a non partisian group discovered how the game was being played. Amazingly, the counties/cities found money to start paving and maintaining our roads. This road renewal started about the time of the financial meltdown, and millions and millions of $’s have been funneled into getting roads back in shape.
However due to what many of us would call criminal misuse of the road money for over a decade, our roads will never be up to par. Some of us live with roads that have not had any major maintenance for 3-4 decades, and we will be the last ones getting any road repair funds.
That's what I figured.
In the end, the socialists always find a way to divert taxpayer ("Republican") dollars into the concentrated Democrat parasite nests ("cities").
You don't live in California, do you? In the once-Golden state, our legislature has been raiding the gas tax money for years - as a result our highways are among the worst in the nation.
Guess my seeing thing through the lens of Texas may have made me overly optimistic.
Though the solution of taxing everyone DOES have a high change of happening
Should have been:
“Of course no taxes will be eliminated. California on top of our abused road taxes charge a sales tax on gas $ we spend.
I notice more and more retailers want to register you, for cards etc.
Unfortunately, our road and highway deterioration will accelerate due to the increase in mileage traveled by electric or hybrid vehicles. Right now, if you don’t want to pay the gas tax, you can stay at home and not drive. The gas tax is more or less a user fee, much like tolls. If you don’t want to pay it, don’t use it. But with transferance of costs, the real costs will be hidden, and all of us will subsidize the costs of those few who want to drive on our roadways.
The issue of fuel taxes as road taxes should be resolved, and should have been resolved ahead of time, so that to the extent that fuel taxes are appropriate, all vehicles, “fossil fuel” powered or otherwise pay some form of them; some form that amounts to an equal assesssment of “fuel” consumed.
Leaving “fossil fuel” vehicles alone paying them IS an injustice, amounting to a lack of “equal protection” of the laws, as all vehicles, including “alternative” vehicles use the same roads.
When you return to my first statement, you realize that the author is correct in one thing. Not only WILL electric vehciles be assessed some “energy/fuel” tax at some point (in my opinion they should be in equality with fossil fuel vehicles), but also, if they are as energy efficient as the author suggests (in terms of the per mile amount of energy consumed), then should electric vehicles ever dominate the road either their energy taxes will be raised a lot, or the politicians will find some other way to assess everyone for taxes to support the roads.
If the author was right on the cost / benifit of electric cars they would domintate the market. And here are reasons why
Oh and no one will pay the cost for one with out .Gov s subsidy $7500
When/If supercap or hydraulic / mechanical hybrids become available they will be a better solution then LiOn is right now I think.
I don’t believe that I said the author was right on the “cost/benefit” analysis of hybrids or electric vehicles.
I did speculate on tax possibilities “IF” the author was correct on the energy per mile consumption, not the “cost” or “benefits” of the electric energy consumption.
Naturally, there is more to what powers a vehicle than just the fuel, and in the case of electric/hybrid/battery power, the one time costs - the vehicle, and the ongoing costs - battery life and their replacement costs, indicate the technoloy is not up for head to head competition with gasoline and diesel power. I am not arguing differently.
My essential point was that even without those considerations, or in addition to those considerations, electric/battery powered vehicles are likely to have new and growing expenses, vis-a-vis “fuel/energy” taxes. To me that just seems inevitable, and in my opinion should already be under legislative consideration. Why should only gas/diesel powered vehicles pay “fuel taxes” for the roads?
“When/If supercap or hydraulic / mechanical hybrids become available they will be a better solution then LiOn is right now I think.”
I think it’s possible that U.S. domestic natural gas supplies and that market might make CNG a viable alternative to gas/diesel power, in greater numbers and before themselves meeting equal competition from electric/battery powered solutions. The industry is already advanced in the provision of residential units for refueling.