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What caused Obama’s poor debate performance?
MSNBC: Up With Chris Hayes ^ | October 7, 2012 | John McWhorter

Posted on 10/09/2012 10:18:28 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

(@ 4:05) I can't make sense out of it. It's been said in some places and no, not by me that obama actually, this has been said by people that maybe he's not very bright. The other night I actually wondered what's wrong with him. I don't think it's because he's afraid to be an angry black man to say the things you were talking about would not have looked angry, just intelligence. I suspect he's used to being riding on that charisma of his. I think he thought standing there and being his larger than life self would take care of things.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; mcwhorter; obama
This statement from the transcript is by the African-American panel member!

The white female Salon writer next to him just about throws up in her mouth when he says this. Classic!

Sarah Palin got better treatment from the progressive LSM than Barry has received for his debate performance!

1 posted on 10/09/2012 10:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McWhorter

Early life

McWhorter was born and raised in Philadelphia. He attended Friends Select School in Philadelphia, and after tenth grade was accepted to Simon’s Rock College, where he earned an A.A. degree. Later, he attended Rutgers University and received a B.A. in French in 1985. He received a master’s degree in American Studies from New York University and a Ph.D. in linguistics in 1993 from Stanford University.

Career

After graduation McWhorter was an associate professor of linguistics at Cornell University from 1993 to 1995 before taking up a position as associate professor of linguistics at the University of California, Berkeley, from 1995 until 2003. He left that position to become a Senior Fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank. From 2006 to 2008 he was a columnist for the New York Sun. He is Contributing Editor at The New Republic and The Root.com, writes a biweekly column at The New York Daily News and also writes regularly for Rupert Murdoch’s The Daily. Since 2008, he has been a lecturer in linguistics, American Studies, and the Core Curriculum at Columbia University.[1]


2 posted on 10/09/2012 10:20:32 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

maybe he’s not very bright?...Indeed!


3 posted on 10/09/2012 10:21:48 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Seizethecarp

RE: “Maybe he’s just not that bright”

Took them 4 YEARS and 5 additional trillion dollars in debt to find out this.

If he were so bright, why is he hiding his college transcript records?


4 posted on 10/09/2012 10:23:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: Seizethecarp
Sarah Palin got better treatment from the progressive LSM than Barry has received for his debate performance!

I think SNL is going to be worth watching now that they have finally found their angle on Obama.

Maybe BJ is channeling his inner Biden.

5 posted on 10/09/2012 10:24:19 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Seizethecarp

Bright enough for his dad to call him “son.”

That is to say, not the sharpest tool in the shed!


6 posted on 10/09/2012 10:25:29 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

and maybe as that Maher guy says, Obama just spent Maher’s million dollar campaign donation on weed...


7 posted on 10/09/2012 10:26:04 AM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Seizethecarp

I think it’s entirely possible he wants to lose. It seems apparent to many insiders he hates the job. Rumor is that the Mooch pushed him for a 2nd term because ‘he owes it to the people who elected him firsttime.’ So he runs, a little half-hearted, and then if he loses, he retires to a place in hawaii.


8 posted on 10/09/2012 10:26:57 AM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

PS: I have no truck for Maher, but can you IMAGINE donating a million dineros to a political candidate— only to see the guy look sullen, angry, and stoned (and sound as stupid as ever) in the national debate?

Maher would have done a whole lot better to just put his million bucks on any pony running at the race track (he could use Obama’s fake social security number to select the horse)


9 posted on 10/09/2012 10:28:08 AM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: Seizethecarp
OBAMADEBATEJOBS
10 posted on 10/09/2012 10:30:51 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Seizethecarp

“Maybe he’s just not that bright”

But we all KNEW that a long time ago!

Once the MSM behaved with the minimum of bias, and the teleprompter safety net was gone....Uhhh... yea... “O” ain’t that bright!


11 posted on 10/09/2012 10:31:22 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Seizethecarp

The host and all 4 panelists are all in the tank for obamma. What a biased show!


12 posted on 10/09/2012 10:31:46 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Seizethecarp

“The white female Salon writer next to him just about throws up in her mouth when he says this. Classic! “

That was hysterical. Her mouth was gaping open in shock when he said others were saying Obama wasn’t that bright.

Hahahaha.


13 posted on 10/09/2012 10:32:27 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: Seizethecarp

As Ron White says, “You can’t fix stupid!”


14 posted on 10/09/2012 10:34:24 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama loved the poor so much, he created millions more.)
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To: Seizethecarp
McWhorter is no joke.

He could have taken the easy route and become Chairman of the African Diaspora Studies Department at some SUNY or UC campus, stopped writing and researching, and just collected checks and held court.

Instead, he's a serious linguist who has done new work in his field. He is, by disposition, a man of the left and if liberals ignore him they do so at their peril.

So, I hope they do.

15 posted on 10/09/2012 10:35:38 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Seizethecarp

Lmao.....the Salon dunce was like...Gasp! How dare you?!?!?!


16 posted on 10/09/2012 10:45:36 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: Seizethecarp

He’s certainly not as told by his worshippers. The man can’t answer a serious question without lying, so when the chips were down, he folded like a house of cards. Blame O’s administration, and the LSM for his pathetic performance.
Those in power don’t care if he’s white/black/green/martian/god/satan/Hitler, etc. they want this man to win for power and money to their party, nothing more, nothing less.


17 posted on 10/09/2012 10:48:06 AM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: Seizethecarp

It’s not that he’s not that bright. He’s fairly intelligent when compared to the rest of the population.

The problem comes in when he obfuscates his crap product.

It sucks, bottom line.

He can’t make the case for a marginal solution, it just doesn’t work and can’t be sold on a sound bite or spread sheet.

the only way he can sell it is by disguise and using extreme superlatives that incite emotions of possibilities.

That’s possibilities, not hope that is realistic.


18 posted on 10/09/2012 10:54:18 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: theDentist

IMO the primary variables are/were these:

- intellectually 0 is in over his head, has been all along. The multilayers of protection he’s enjoyed weren’t there during the “debate”

- Like most celebrities, he has been shielded and pampered by a coterie of sycophants and yes men. All the while they are telling him he’s the political equivalent of the second coming, that when he coughs it is a brilliant intellectual uttering.

- every substandard thing he has said or done has been passed off as either untrue or someone else’s fault. He’s not been held accountable for *anything*.

- all of the above has (naturally) instilled in him a huge ego and level of narcissism and hubris. Ipso facto, “I’ve never done anything less than great, I’ve never made any mistakes, everyone admires me, so it is only logical that I can and will do no wrong.”

- He though he could stroll on stage and his overwhelming victory would just happen.

Remember, this man has not had a genuine press conference since (I believe) June. He’s never seriously been grilled and forced to defend his ideas or policies. Such as they are.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 10:56:11 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Seizethecarp
"Stupid, crooked and high is no way to go through life, Obama." More serious than his low wattage is his lack of moral character. Most of us in similar circumstances would say, "I didn't do well. I'll do better next time." That's not Zero's style though. Here's his style: He's as crazy as a bedbug.
20 posted on 10/09/2012 11:00:01 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Seizethecarp

First of all, a “Projectile Vomit Alert” tag would have been nice since you linked to a libtard panel of idiots.

Obama IS not very bright, and I LOL’d at that brunette’s response as if it was the most unbelievable thing she’d ever heard. Are these people that stupid? Obama’s NOT smart when someone doesn’t have their hand up his arse like a puppet, telling him what to say.


21 posted on 10/09/2012 11:12:03 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Seizethecarp
How bright is 0bama? Decide for yourselves...

Obama's MANY Gaffes #1 (June 26, 2008, 5:16)

UNBELIEVABLE OBAMA GAFFES, Mistakes, Lies, and Confusion (Sept. 27, 2009, 8:42)

22 posted on 10/09/2012 11:16:13 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Seizethecarp

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:
Believing that you’re better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

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23 posted on 10/09/2012 11:16:33 AM PDT by mondonico (Peace through Superior Firepower)
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To: FrankR

LOL Frank.


24 posted on 10/09/2012 11:19:47 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: cpa4you

And who might that father be?


25 posted on 10/09/2012 11:22:48 AM PDT by all the best (`~!)
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To: Seizethecarp

Would MSNBC PLEASE hire a ten year old to show them how to upload videos to the internet!?! Sheesh, waiting five minutes for a streaming video to load then having it act like it has already played just doesn’t get it.


26 posted on 10/09/2012 11:31:34 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Seizethecarp

New SNL skit, President Obama are you smarter than a five year old?

New new new SNL skit, Mr. Obama are you smarter than Big Bird?


27 posted on 10/09/2012 11:33:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Seizethecarp

[Note: Quote from another FR thread, comments are mine.]

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” - - - “He [Obama] falls down in thinking that the well made argument wins the argument and in politics it doesn’t work that way.” - - - “

This is a very revealing, insightful observation!

Ponder this:

1.) This observation goes a long way towards explaining the fact of Obama’s arrogance: Once Obama states his argument, everybody must agree that all future DISCUSSION is just mindless bickering.

2.) In the last debate, whenever Romney made a BETTER “well made argument” than the argument that Obama was thinking of, Obama just nodded his head in defeat, and looked at the floor anxious to go stand in the corner.

3.) As a weak and incompetent financial steward, all CHALLENGES to his memorized statements render Obama unable to comprehend that he has to think on his feet, by himself against an adversary.

As a result Obama is able only to repeat his memorized statement. For example, just count the number of times that Obama repeated the “5 Trillion Dollars” after Romney told him that wasn’t in his plan.

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I have put 3 key words in caps from the above 3 thoughts.

Consider now, that we are hiring a CEO to run the World’s most powerful company, in this case the US Federal Government.

IMHO, a good CEO would want to hold frequent Board Meetings to encourage DISCUSSION, generate BETTER arguments, and CHALLENGE every idea from every angle.

How then, you LURKERS, can you vote for Obama who is lacking in all 3 of these CEO characteristics?

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In summary, the last debate was CEO Romney against street-smart, incompetent Obama. Both men were at their natural best.


28 posted on 10/09/2012 11:48:21 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Remember, this man has not had a genuine press conference since (I believe) June. He’s never seriously been grilled and forced to defend his ideas or policies. Such as they are.

Couple the debate with the Univision interview, and it was a one-two punch to the gut for the Won.

29 posted on 10/09/2012 11:53:34 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm not voting for Obama, so therefore I must be helping Romney!)
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To: All

“I’ve been in business for 25 years. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Maybe I need to get a new accountant, but the idea you get a break for shipping jobs overseas, is simply not the case.”


30 posted on 10/09/2012 11:56:58 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Seizethecarp

indifference and or laziness?


31 posted on 10/09/2012 12:04:50 PM PDT by Leep (Forward! To Surfdom)
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To: Seizethecarp

Intelligent defines someone who has the ability to learn quickly.

Ignorant is being unaware of the facts.

Stupid is the inability to learn.

Since Obama flunked kindergarten, has sealed or “lost” his school records, fried his brain by “using drugs enthusiastically,” (his words in his book about dreams of his Father), it is doubtful that Obama is intelligent. For example, Obama still believes that there are 57 States in the USA.

Obama is not capable of learning how to attend his own Jobs Council, while telling lies to the Media that everyday he works on jobs, jobs, jobs.

Obama’s on-the-job-training has been a failure in the financial stewardship and foreign policy areas. For example, Obama was incapable of passing a spending Budget in his 4 budget years on the job.

Obama must therefore be graded stupid, or near stupid in those areas.

Obama considers discussion to be mindless bickering, and is thus easily lectured to by stronger minds such as Putin, Netanyahu and Romney.

IOW, Obama does not play well with others. Guess his kindergarten teacher was right!


32 posted on 10/09/2012 12:05:03 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Seizethecarp

Prayers-millions of them—caused it.

Gives me hope that God has not abandoned us yet, even after 60 million abortions.


33 posted on 10/09/2012 12:08:55 PM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: mondonico

Just saw him telling a group of supporters that after the debate his people told him he was too nice.

Every time he is supposedly self deprecating, this is all he comes up with, I’m too nice, I was too presidential, I had an imperfect day........waahhhh


34 posted on 10/09/2012 12:13:31 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Seizethecarp
The white female Salon writer next to him just about throws up in her mouth when he says this. Classic!

Just made my day and I forwarded this clip to a handful of people. Thanks for posting this! Still LOL

35 posted on 10/09/2012 12:26:52 PM PDT by Pagey (B. Hussein Obama is weak, and is a worse human being than F.D.R., on multiple levels.)
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To: Mich Patriot
“First of all, a “Projectile Vomit Alert” tag would have been nice since you linked to a libtard panel of idiots.”

Mods removed my “on MSNBC” and “maybe he's just not that bright” tags. I think they thought I was the one who was being “racist” or something.

36 posted on 10/09/2012 12:52:36 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: all the best

Who knows?

By all accounts even Zero doesn’t know. (I understand mom was a “get around Sue.”) Maybe it’s time to apply a little DNA science.


37 posted on 10/09/2012 1:07:54 PM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: Seizethecarp

Obama hasn’t had to come up with an original thought for four years. Every public appearance has been scripted and TOTUS has been his constant companion. He holds a minimum of press conferences and filibusters through them making absolutely no sense.

The whole Obama-fawning press scene is like a secret club where everyone possesses superior knowledge to the rest of us dunces and we dunces don’t really see or understand how superior Obama and his sycophants are.

No one in the secret club wants to be kicked out, so they just go along with the flow and don’t make waves by reporting the truth.

A few in the club are starting to rebel. Wonder if there will eventually be wholesale rebellion.


38 posted on 10/09/2012 2:12:26 PM PDT by randita
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