Obama will win the Spanish vote - the few that show up (Hispanic apathy is nationwide)

American Thinker ^ | 10/09/2012 | Silvio Canto Jr.

[SeekAndFind]

We saw a pathetic turnout among Hispanics in the Texas Democrat primary.   In fact, District 33 was created for the sole purpose of electing a Hispanic Democrat.  It elected a black Democrat because Hispanics stayed home.   Only 19,000 voted in the runoff.    

Hispanic apathy is nationwide, as explained by Chuck Todd of NBC:  

"And then let me give you this last one here, because this is, I think, the most important one. And that's Hispanics. The President's winning Hispanics by 50 points. He hit the 70% mark. However, look at this in terms of interest in the election. 59% now, it was 77%. What does that mean? President got 65%, I believe, of Hispanics four years ago.  

So even though he's going to get more Hispanics, if less of them turn out, it's a net zero. And yet, you look at Republican enthusiasm, up, senior enthusiasm, up. It's a huge problem. And by the way, all of this, pre-debate."

I am not surprised and let me tell you why: First, Hispanics have been hit hard by the economic slowdown, i.e. 11% unemployment for much of the presidency. Second, many Hispanics are really angry over immigration reform. They voted for the promise but Pres Obama did not call on a Dem majority to send him a bill.    

Contrast that to Pres Bush or Sen McCain or Pres Reagan who granted amnesty in '86.  I think that a lot of Hispanics are catching the drift that the Democrats are better at talking than actually making something happen.  

Third, Pres Obama's anti-free trade rhetoric turned off a lot of Colombians & Mexicans who saw through the demagoguery. Free trade creates jobs in the Hispanic community because it allows many to use their country and language skills.

[Uncle Miltie]

Given the horrible 0bamaEconomy(TM), didn’t many of them go home to Mexico?

[2banana]

The irony is that if you are of Spanish decent you qualify for NO Hispanic quotas, race bonus or free goodies.

In fact - being of Spanish decent makes you WHITE. But if your grandfather came to to Mexico his children would be Hispanic and get all the free goodies...

[albie]

1/3 disagree with allowing free for all borders, 1/3 didn’t get enough free sh&^ and the last 1/3 went home to Mehico.

[DoughtyOne]

You know folks, some of us tried to point out massive protests with over 100,000 participants all waving Mexican flags and no U. S. Flags in sight.

Folks just laughed. “Oh you’re over-reacting. We’ve always had immigration. It’s good for the nation. Why we get a very positive bump from it.” Never-mind that we weren’t dissing immigration overall. Even on this forum it’s been an uphill battle to get folks to take this issues serious.

So here we are, and by gosh, now we’re seeing that the Hispanic populace doesn’t really give a rats ass about what’s best for our nation. Why? Because when the going gets tough, they can load up the family wagon and head back to Mexico, the nation they really love.

Now this doesn’t mean every Hispanic feels this way, but folks there’s a significant slice of that pie that feels exactly this way.

Who knew? Well, many of us did. Now we’re having to deal with this on a national basis. They’re everywhere, and swinging elections across the board.

Sure wish folks would have taken this seriously when the problem was mostly limited to California and other border states.

[rawcatslyentist]

How many thousands of their relatives have been slaughtered by Ricky Rakcy, and the Sinolas?

[SeekAndFind]

Many people don’t know this, but Cesar Chavez, the famed and celebrated American farm worker, labor leader, and civil rights activist who, with Dolores Huerta, co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, which later became the United Farm Workers (UFW), was against illegal immigration.

[Regulator]

They’re everywhere, and swinging elections across the board

Should our elections include the citizens of another country?

Should we be ruled by people not loyal to our nationality, and to our Constitution?

If a foreign populace invades, and insists that they are now the citizenry, how is that different from colonization and takeover?

You point out the apathy that Americans had with this problem, back when those of us in the Southwest were screaming about it. It is much worse then that. What has happened with 40 million Mexicans colonizing "El Norte" is the most serious threat to the existence of the United States since the Soviet Union got the bomb.

[DoughtyOne]

That’s my take on it. An yet, it’s strange to me who we elect/nominate, and what they say they will do about this problem.

[Texan5]

Those who come here illegally from any other country should be sent back, period-I don’t care if they came from Mexico or Russia. The whole La Raza argument illegal Hispanics use to shout discrimination is based on a false presumption-”Hispanic” is NOT a race-it is an ethnic group, nothing more, and most illegals are freeloaders-if Canada were closer, they would sneak in there. That whole win-the-Hispanic vote thing is just another scam for goodies.

I’m of Hispanic ancestry-they came from Spain to Mexico, then from Mexico to what is now South Texas in the 1700’s, when it was a Spanish territory-we are mixed Native American and Spanish. We are racially Caucasian, ethnically Hispanic, and I don’t look any different than any of my light-skinned, red haired counterparts anywhere in Latin America or Europe.

As a child, I was taught Spanish as a second language, but those cousins who didn’t live in Texas were not-and I don’t know any Hispanics who aren’t Republican voters...

[jboot]

But if you claim "La Raza" as your ethnicity you may be eligible for bennies. Yes, for real. Starting this year you can claim "Hispanic/Latino" as your race and "La Raza" as your ethnicity when requesting Medicare/Medicade benefits.

I can't find an explanation of where a "La Raza" Hispanic is from, but I suspect it is SW USA. How does one prove that your ethnicity is "La Raza"? Who knows?? At any rate, Zero surely has the La Raza vote locked up.

[Texan5]

Now, I have heard it all-we need to post the “not this s*** again” guy photo...

La Raza just means “the race”, and that is incorrect, in more than one way. Hispanic/Latino is an ethnic group-it usually refers to people whose ancestors came from Spain to colonize what was called the New World, with or after the conquistadores, and (most) interbred with the Native/Aboriginal population, creating a big ethnic group-not a race-that group is “Hispanic”, and they can be any of the three only known races on earth-if they come from the mainland Americas, they are mostly Caucasian, Philipines-Asian or the Caribbean (and parts of Brazil)-Black.

You won’t find an explation for a La Raza Hispanic, because there is no explanation-such a thing does not exist, except possibly as a fairy tale in an alternate la raza universe.

What lunatic made-up ethnic group or race is next? A royal Hispanic? A space-alien Hispanic?

[mdmathis6]

The Fast and Furious expose on Univision I’m sure is having an effect on Obama’s Hispanic support as well.

[UltraV]

I’m surprised this fact wasn’t mentioned in the article, nor til post #13. They saw the Obama administration kill Mexican teenagers in full uncensored gore on Univision for no good reason. They saw the carpets and walls soaked with blood.

Most Americans haven’t been subjected to that ugliness of course.

[DoughtyOne]

Those who come here illegally from any other country should be sent back, period-I don’t care if they came from Mexico or Russia.  Exactly right.  It's unfortunate, but with Mexico on our border and the saturation of the illegal body of folks in the U. S., it is often addressed as an issue of Hispanics for lack of a better way to reference it.  We have Mexican nationals and other nationals from Central and South American that contribute to this problem, and all too often they get lumped in together.

The whole La Raza argument illegal Hispanics use to shout discrimination is based on a false presumption-”Hispanic” is NOT a race-it is an ethnic group, nothing more, and most illegals are freeloaders-if Canada were closer, they would sneak in there.  I agree.  And in no small part it has become this, because of the Leftist advocacy groups.  Thirty years ago, these people were coming here to work hard, better their chances at a good life.  And some still do, but now there's an alternative, and I think the majority these days tap into government programs.  They've got the Leftist groups encouraging them to do it, and showing them how to do it most effectively.

That whole win-the-Hispanic vote thing is just another scam for goodies.  It's a scam for them, and a scam for our leaders in the Republican party.  The Hispanic vote is going to the Left.  That information is now irrefutable.  So what do our folks do?  Why they continue to pander.  It's infuriating.

I’m of Hispanic ancestry-they came from Spain to Mexico, then from Mexico to what is now South Texas in the 1700’s, when it was a Spanish territory-we are mixed Native American and Spanish. We are racially Caucasian, ethnically Hispanic, and I don’t look any different than any of my light-skinned, red haired counterparts anywhere in Latin America or Europe.  I reference it as Southern European, when you get right down to it, that's actually what it is for the most party.  You have Northern Europeans and Southern Europeans here.  I get a hoot out of the folks who claim the Southwest should be Mexican territory.  The CIA World Fact Book breaks down the Mexican populace as over 65% decentents from Southern Europe, at least in part.  The rest are indiginious, and I'm not hearing anyone reference turning the Southwest of the United States back over to the indiginious.

As a child, I was taught Spanish as a second language, but those cousins who didn’t live in Texas were not-and I don’t know any Hispanics who aren’t Republican voters...  I don't mind knowing some Spanish, and wish I was more proficient.  None the less, I view this as an English language nation, and I'm not about to back down on that.  I am glad the Hispanics in your region support Republicans.  The Cuban contingent in Florida did too in the Reagan years.  I'm not sure these days.  The figures seem to indicate that a large portion of the Hispanics these days do vote Left.  That's a real shame.  I've talked to a fair amount of Hispanics about what is taking place, and many of them are as outraged by what is taking place as we are. 

I've also heard some second hand stories about Mexican nationals still living in Mexico, and they can't believe what we allow to take place up here, as it relates to illegal immigration.

Languages are interesting to me, and I'd like to know more of them, but I wish to do that by choice and not due to balkinization.

I've got no axe to grind against Hispanics in general.  My wife, my daughter-in-law, and my sister-in-law are hispanic.  Their families are hard working and good people.  Many, and probably most Hispanic families are.  It's just that we've got a massive problem right now, and we're having to deal with it as we can.

Thanks for the comments.

[jboot]

‘Trans-dimensional’ Hispanics that can vote in every election district at once...

[Texan5]

Thank you for your knowledgeable comments-it makes for a pleasant discussion.

I don’t think anyone dislikes illegals more than people like me who are from Hispanic families who have been Americans for many generations. Most of us use the word mojado, too...

I’m always fond of telling people who aren’t history-wise the reason there aren’t more Native Americans in Mexico is because the Spaniards absorbed most of them and worked the rest to death-pretty close to the truth-Spaniards were not nice people at all.

I suspect it is one reason why my ancestors wanted to get as far away from the Spanish government as possible, and what is now Texas was not exactly a place where the taxman or other governmment types would follow to complicate someone’s life in the 18th century...

The problem of illegals won’t be solved until enough people care enough about their own countries to make changes, and I think it is just about a mortal sin for liberals and others to encourage them to come here and move onto the democrat plantation-that is nothing but a form of slavery. Somebody ought to remind them that the Spaniards already did that a few hundred years ago-they just didn’t give the original inhabitants any government cheese...

[Seattle Conservative]

Here’s a related article from National Review - The Spot:

By Jim Geraghty
October 5, 2012 11:41 A.M.

Middle Cheese writes in on a topic he’s been examining a while, how Obama and Romney stack up on the Latino vote.

Conventional wisdom holds that Mitt Romney is faring so badly with Hispanic voters that he cannot possibly win.

A recent CNN/ORC poll of Hispanics nationally finds President Obama has the support of 70 percent Hispanic voters compared to 26 percent for Mitt Romney. By comparison, John McCain got 31 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2008 and George W. Bush got 44 percent in 2004, according to exit polls.

Nationally, I think the more relevant comparison is George W. Bush, who was a two-term Governor of a border state, and got 35 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2000.

Further, national polls can be deceiving because they survey Hispanics from populous states like California and New York, who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters.

Let’s look at the polls of Hispanics in the key battleground states of Florida, Nevada, and Colorado. Now the polls are all over the place, depending on whether they surveyed registered voters or likely voters. However, comparing some recent polls to the 2008 results produces some very interesting trends:

PPP Florida Poll this week shows Romney with 47% of Hispanics and Obama with 49%.

In 2008, Obama took 57% of the vote compared to McCain’s 42%.

As we all know, a large portion — though not all — of Florida’s Hispanic population is Cuban-American, and that community tends to lean Republican more than Latinos who trace their heritage to other Latin countries. Having said that, there had been buzz in recent years that Florida’s Cuban-Americans were growing less solidly Republican, and the 2008 result might be seen as evidence of that. Either 2008 is an outlier, or Romney is winning them back, so far.

Middle Cheese continues:

WSJ/NBC/Marist Nevada Poll this week shows Romney with 36% of Hispanics and Obama with 62%.

In 2008, Obama took 76% of the vote compared to McCain’s 22%.

ARG Colorado Poll this week shows Romney with 38% of Hispanics and Obama with 53%.

In 2008, Obama took 61% of the vote compared to McCain’s 38%.

Team Romney has made some very smart adjustments in both the tone and substance of Romney’s stance on immigration, which is a gateway issue for Hispanics. For example, Romney announced that he would allow undocumented “Dreamers” who were offered a two-year deferral on deportation by Obama to stay in the country if he becomes President, and that he would seek a permanent legislative solution for these undocumented young achievers who pursue higher education or serve in the military.

By doing so, Hispanics — who have experienced sharply higher rates of joblessness under Obama than the general population — are increasingly receptive to Romney’s core message of promoting upward mobility and creating 12 million jobs through pro-growth policies.To wit, a new Latino Decisions national poll has Romney at 33 percent among Hispanics, a seven point increase from a month ago.

The bottom line: Obama is not where he was with Hispanic voters in 2008 and Romney is steadily improving on McCain’s showing, which will be critical in carrying these battleground states.

Mitt’s strong debate performance the other night will no doubt boost his numbers among independent Hispanics voters. I am going to go out on a limb and predict that Mitt Romney will do at least as well as George W. Bush did among Hispanics in 2000, and he will win a majority of Hispanics in Florida.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/329552/middle-cheese-keep-eye-swing-state-latinos