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Cook County mulling violence tax on guns and ammunition
Chicago ^ | October 9, 2012 | LISA DONOVAN

Posted on 10/09/2012 12:26:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Cook County Reporter ldonovan@suntimes.com

Drawing the ire of the gun lobby, Cook County Board President Preckwinkle is eyeing a violence tax on guns and ammunition sold in the city and suburbs, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

Such a tax alone wouldn’t close a $115 million budget gap in 2013, but it could at least funnel money into the county’s $3 billion operation — where roughly two-thirds of the budget pays for both the county’s public health clinics and two hospitals along with the criminal justice system that includes the courts and jail.

“If we were to pursue a tax on something like guns and ammo, clearly that wouldn’t be popular with the [gun lobby] out there, and it may not generate $50 million, but ... it is consistent with our commitment to pursuing violence reduction in the city and in the county,” Kurt Summers, Preckwinkle’s chief of staff, said on Monday.

The idea is to curb the number of guns in circulation, he said, citing a report issued last summer showing that nearly one-third of the guns recovered on Chicago’s streets were purchased in suburban gun shops. Other statistics are more dire: Murders in Chicago are up 25 percent this year, according to recent police statistics, and the county jail is filling up — with 9,000-plus inmates, nearing the 10,155 capacity.

Along with the tragic human toll, gun violence takes a toll on government coffers.

“It impacts law enforcement, both at the city and the county [levels]. It impacts the courtrooms, the public defender and state’s attorney that are in there, the judges that are in there, the clerk of the court that has to sit there, the sheriff’s deputies that are in that courtroom and it impacts the jail — the folks that are sitting there at $143 a day,” he said, referring to the daily cost of keeping an inmate behind bars.

“Now on top of that, if a person is shot and wounded, they end up more than likely in a Level 1 trauma Center like Stroger Hospital,” he said, of the main taxpayer-funded county hospital.

The cost to treat a gunshot victim, without insurance, is pegged at $52,000, Summers said. And 70 percent of gunshot victims don’t have health insurance, he says.

Just how much Preckwinkle would tax guns and ammunition is unclear. But consumers would be on the hook for it with guns and ammunition dealers responsible for remitting the tax monthly to the county’s Revenue Department.

Back in 2007, then Cook County Commissioner Roberto Maldonado — now a Chicago alderman — pushed for a 10-cents-a-bullet tax, and even proposed charging 50 cents, before the proposal was ultimately shot down.

But the gun lobby has vowed to push back hard on Preckwinkle’s idea.

“This is just another example of the blame game — Chicago and Cook County has a gun violence problem, Chicago’s got a high high school drop-out rate, they’ve got a drug problem, they’ve got a gang problem, but they want to make legal gun owners, guys like me, the scapegoat,” said Todd Vandermyde a National Rifle Association lobbyist who works in Springfield.

He said this is an unfair tax on a constitutional right that will hurt the poor.

“It is another way to enact a Jim Crow law and keep people from exercising their constitutional right, he said.

“All you’re doing is jacking up the price of guns and ammunition — for someone who can least afford it,” he said. “The problem with something like this is that you’re hurting people who don’t have the ability to get out of Cook County. So if you have someone in Englewood, they have to venture out to DuPage County, to Will County? I don’t think so.”

While no such tax exists in Illinois, experts say, Tennessee has an ammunition tax.

Right now, guns and ammunition sold across the country are subject to a federal excise tax that funds conservation projects. In Illinois, the local sales tax rate is applied to such purchases.

Two bills are in the hopper in the Illinois state Legislature — HB5167 and HB1274 — that would create an explicit tax on ammunition. Rep. Kelly Cassidy (D-Chicago) and former Rep. and now Ald. Will Burns (4th) — a Preckwinkle ally who holds her old aldermanic seat — are the sponsors of this legislation, but both bills are currently parked in the House Rules Committee.

Preckwinkle will announce her 2013 spending plan next week. Initially, she forecast a $267 million deficit, but that has fallen to $115 million. The $152 million wiped off the books comes from a combination of cost-cutting — including several hundred vacant jobs on the books — and more revenues, including the hope they can put poor and uninsured patients on the Medicaid rolls next year as part of an early enrollment plan under the Affordable Health Care Act.

Contributing: Dave McKinney


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackcrime; democrats; gunfreezone; liberalfascism

1 posted on 10/09/2012 12:27:02 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I don’t buy ammo or guns in IL anyway.


2 posted on 10/09/2012 12:28:26 PM PDT by DonkeyBonker (Oppose Senate Amendment S.A. 2575! I need more than 10 rounds in my magazine.)
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To: DMZFrank; endthematrix; Chgogal; NotJustAnotherPrettyFace; Lawgvr1955; Petruchio; stylin19a; ...
BANG!
3 posted on 10/09/2012 12:31:40 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Let’s put a violence tax on socialists.

After all, it was Mao that attributed all legitimate power to the gun barrel.


4 posted on 10/09/2012 12:31:55 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: neverdem

Idiot.

If I lived there I’d buy out of county.

Problem solved.


5 posted on 10/09/2012 12:33:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: neverdem

Seems to me like Cook County ought to be figuring out how to get rid of its uninsured freeloading gangsters that get shot instead of taxing the hell out of citizens that want to protect their lives. If someone aksed me if I’d spend $52 grand to treat a gangbanger gunshot victim, I’d point to the dumpster.


6 posted on 10/09/2012 12:35:12 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: neverdem

When they tax cigarettes, I don’t object........(/sarc)


7 posted on 10/09/2012 12:35:21 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire.)
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To: neverdem

http://tonipreckwinkle.org/

A brain surgeon in the works, obviously.

(Is her named SPELLED right? I see a problem with one of the vowels. :) )


8 posted on 10/09/2012 12:37:32 PM PDT by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Vendome

can they even do that in IL?


9 posted on 10/09/2012 12:38:14 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (The 'great orator' Joe Biden? *That* Joe Biden??)
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To: neverdem

Are there even any gun stores left in Cook county?


10 posted on 10/09/2012 12:41:19 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ZULU

Wow 19 yrs on the Council.
Can you imagine all the graft, corruption, and gravy she’s sucked up?


11 posted on 10/09/2012 12:41:25 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: RitchieAprile

As the impostor in the Whie House demonestrated, the Government can do as they damn well please. Who will stop them?


12 posted on 10/09/2012 12:41:44 PM PDT by sport
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To: neverdem

How about a stupidity tax for politicians who tell us that “we can’t arrest our way out of current crime rates”?

These are the same idiots who want to disarm law abiding citizens and insist that banning God from the public square, will improve our culture.


13 posted on 10/09/2012 12:45:32 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: neverdem

with a name like Preckwinkle, you will get your azz kicked more than Waxman with big ears a funny nose.


14 posted on 10/09/2012 12:47:10 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Gaffer
Seems to me like Cook County ought to be figuring out how to get rid of its uninsured freeloading gangsters that get shot instead of taxing the hell out of citizens that want to protect their lives.

They already have a program like that-- they send them to Dubuque, where the Agenda 21 movers and shakers make sure the Section 8 housing stays at capacity.

15 posted on 10/09/2012 12:53:43 PM PDT by niteowl77 (Getting stuck with other peoples' just desserts good and hard for over 50 years.)
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To: neverdem

I’ll bet there are Cook CO elites carrying secretly.


16 posted on 10/09/2012 1:03:44 PM PDT by lurk
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To: neverdem

Sure. If you also impose a $50 per copy tax on rap music that glorifies violence and a $100 per ticket/per copy tax on movies that glorify violence. And a $100,000 per episode/per showing tax on videos and television shows that glorify violence.

Oh, wait, you think that’s wrong because it violates a civil right? Geee.....


17 posted on 10/09/2012 1:06:57 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: neverdem

I guess a prostitution tax on all vaginas is next.


18 posted on 10/09/2012 1:08:37 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: DonkeyBonker
I don’t buy ammo or guns in IL anyway.

If I lived in their jurisdiction, I would happily spend more on gas to buy where they didn't get extra tax money from the purchase, rather than allow these anti-freedom crooks to get money from my shooting hobby.

19 posted on 10/09/2012 1:09:02 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: neverdem

Pretty funny. I live in a dry county. There are liquor stores on the borders with neighboring counties that do a very brisk business.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 1:14:38 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: RitchieAprile
“Can they do that in Il.?”

Of course not. That would be as illegal as bulldozing an airport in the middle of the night.

21 posted on 10/09/2012 1:15:18 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: neverdem
If "Preckwinkle" were a Charles Dickens character, you just know he would be a complete jerk.
22 posted on 10/09/2012 1:17:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: neverdem

Will the Police departments be exempt?

How is this not unequal protection under the law?


23 posted on 10/09/2012 1:31:01 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1358 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: neverdem

Kennesaw GA _requires_ every home be armed. Violence is nigh unto unheard of.


24 posted on 10/09/2012 1:32:29 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: G Larry

How about a stupidity tax for voters who elect communists?


25 posted on 10/09/2012 1:46:34 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: neverdem

WGN Noon news did a Poll on this.

WGN News
MIDDAY NEWS POLL: Do you agree with the proposal to tax guns and ammunition in Cook County?
Yes: 26%
No: 74%

WGN News
MORNING NEWS POLL: Do you agree with the proposal to tax guns and ammo in Cook County?
Yes: 38%
No: 62%


26 posted on 10/09/2012 1:48:55 PM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: neverdem

How about taxing the perps?

Then you might have a bigger incentive to actually pursue & find them!!!


27 posted on 10/09/2012 2:43:52 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: neverdem

Libs say a YouTube can cause violence.

Tax Hollywood violence.


28 posted on 10/09/2012 3:48:43 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Every conservative knew the attacks were coming... 3.5 years ago when Obama was elected.)
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To: neverdem
Nothing is wrong with Chicago/Cook County and Springfield/Sagamon County that 7 megatons on each would not cure.
29 posted on 10/09/2012 4:34:25 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: neverdem

Then there needs to be a corruption tax on holding public office.


30 posted on 10/09/2012 4:36:16 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Hardraade

Don’t for get these other quotes from other socialist for the government monopoly on the use of force:

“We want them registered” Nancy Pelosi

“A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.” Lenin

“Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. “ Joseph Stalin

“One man with a gun can control 100 without one.” Lenin


31 posted on 10/09/2012 6:51:32 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: neverdem
Speaking of Violence:
New civility: Obama supporters threaten to riot if Romney wins; Update: Deleted tweets http://twitchy.com/2012/10/09/new-civility-obama-supporters-threaten-to-riot-if-romney-wins/
djais @djaissy92 If Romney wins.... We gon start a riot !!!
Bre✌ @SoBossy_ If Romney win imma start a riot !!!

32 posted on 10/09/2012 7:01:45 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: Spktyr

Raise taxes in areas plagued by gang/drug violence, as an incentive to SNITCH and toss these thugs in jail where they belong!


33 posted on 10/09/2012 7:20:28 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: neverdem

You can bet that there will be a tax like this nationwide if Obama gets a second term.It will be a surtax for gun violence to support health care.The SCOTUS has already given them the green light for this.


34 posted on 10/09/2012 7:35:59 PM PDT by johnny reb (I Have Not Yet Begun To Tea Party!)
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To: Frank_2001

This also - if you use police services more, you should have to pay more.


35 posted on 10/09/2012 8:07:07 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Hardraade
Let’s put a violence tax on socialists. After all, it was Mao that attributed all legitimate power to the gun barrel.

And Stalin who starved and otherwise exterminated tens of millions of his own countrymen. And Hitler who murdered further millions. And on, and on, and on....

36 posted on 10/10/2012 5:30:10 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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