Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Scary: Obama Appointed the Jobs Number Cruncher; Scarier: Her Resume
Townhall ^ | 10/09/2012 | Charles Payne

Posted on 10/09/2012 12:33:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

First, I'm a grandfather for the first time, and it's an amazing blessing. The country my granddaughter has come into is at a very dangerous point. The economy is teetering, but Main Street is being told it's all okay. What's problematic is the rapid decline in the last year. That unemployment rate number on Friday was a total farce, but even if it was completely honest, 7.8% is way too high for an economy that supposedly turned the corner a long time ago.

The number doesn't jibe, with an economy growing at 1.3%. The only honest aspect of the report was that more people were entering the work force, but I guarantee a new line of questioning accompanied the Household Survey. Few people know that President Obama placed a former contract negotiator and union steward to run the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Erica Groshen taught Statistical Methods for Economists, Trade Unions, Collective Bargaining, and Public Policy at Harvard. Although she calls herself "nonpartisan," rumblings about sending her children to a communist summer camp coupled with her left-leaning teachings have many worried. Of course, the Left uses the victim-race card, saying Nixon pushed all the Jews out of BLS, so it's about time. This is scary stuff.

What was real in the Friday number was private sector job creation at 104,000, below consensus and less than half where it was a year ago.

Manufacturing continues to shed jobs, and temp work is exploding. This is a shadow of what America is really all about. But, this is how nations morph when the focus is on squeezing the gap between rich (and the so-called rich) and poor, by browbeating the former, while spreading crumbs to the latter.

If Socialism is So Great, Why all the Cheating?

Just as I'm sure Friday's jobs numbers were manipulated by the administration, Hugo Chavez was able to cheat Henrique Capriles. Hugo Chavez, whose ham-fisted socialist approach has reduced welfare and poverty while erasing real opportunities for real prosperity, more than likely stole the election, which posed the greatest threat to his 14 year run to date. He has nationalized businesses and usurped the power of Congress and courts ... sound familiar? Considering all the oil Venezuela possesses, it's a shame the nation continues to struggle. The fix was in from the beginning, but I read lots of interviews where poor people waited as much as six hours for the chance to vote out another great redistributionist.

For me, that's a great sign. While some poor people are okay with being bought off, others want real opportunities, not handouts. Some understand ripping down wealth created by others limits the chances they could have real wealth or real opportunities other than being wards of the state.

************

Charles V. Payne is a regular contributor to the Fox Business and Fox News Networks. He is also the Chief Executive Officer and Principle Analyst of Wall Street Strategies, Inc. (WSSI), founded in 1991 which provides subscription analytical services to both individual and institutional investors


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; bhoeconomy; bhomcjobs; bls; corruption; democrats; economy; ericagroshen; fraud; groshen; jobs; magicnumbers; mcjobs; nobama2012; obama; unemployment

1 posted on 10/09/2012 12:33:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Erica Groshen was nominated, but as far as I know never appointed. Kind of a buzz kill for the writer of the article I would think.

They have an acting director.


2 posted on 10/09/2012 12:36:33 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

The only BLS employee appointed by the White House is the commissioner, who serves a fixed four-year term and operates independently of the White House. The job is vacant but is being handled by Acting Commissioner John Galvin, a career official who has worked at the BLS for 34 years.

President Barack Obama has nominated Erica Groshen to be commissioner. But she hasn’t been confirmed by the Senate.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/government-compiles-jobs-report-17409383


3 posted on 10/09/2012 12:39:23 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

On the surface the numbers seemed cooked. I hope somebody does an independent study on the real unemployment rate. And also under employment.


4 posted on 10/09/2012 12:40:46 PM PDT by st.eqed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
"If Socialism is So Great, Why all the Cheating?"

Common sense......like " if Obama had a real birth certificate, why did he spend 1.5 million dollars on attorneys to keep him from having to produce it???

5 posted on 10/09/2012 12:45:08 PM PDT by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
I really like Charles Payne.

One day last week he took over from Stuart Varney for the last segment of Varney's show and started by saying...."No, do not adjust your sets, Stuart has left early today".

6 posted on 10/09/2012 12:46:29 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: st.eqed

As is always true with this stuff you have to look at the numbers behind the numbers.


7 posted on 10/09/2012 12:49:40 PM PDT by ully2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: st.eqed
On the surface the numbers seemed cooked. I hope somebody does an independent study on the real unemployment rate. And also under employment.

John Williams does just that. He calculates unemployment the way the government use to report it before they started really manipulating the numbers. His calculation is the blue line below.

Shadowstats.com

Alternate Unemployment Charts

The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.

The U-3 unemployment rate is the monthly headline number. The U-6 unemployment rate is the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ (BLS) broadest unemployment measure, including short-term discouraged and other marginally-attached workers as well as those forced to work part-time because they cannot find full-time employment.

8 posted on 10/09/2012 12:51:01 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (November 6th is the tipping point for freedom in America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind; listenhillary; st.eqed; wesagain; Churchillspirit; ully2; OB1kNOb
First, I'm a grandfather for the first time, and it's an amazing blessing. The country my granddaughter has come into is at a very dangerous point. The economy is teetering, but Main Street is being told it's all okay. What's problematic is the rapid decline in the last year. That unemployment rate number on Friday was a total farce; but even if it was completely honest, 7.8% is way too high for an economy that supposedly turned the corner a long time ago. The number doesn't jibe, with an economy growing at 1.3%. The only honest aspect of the report was that more people were entering the work force, but I guarantee a new line of questioning accompanied the Household Survey. But Few people know that President Obama placed a former contract negotiator and union steward to run the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

WHY NOT JUST TELL US:

The first paragraph is obnoxious. The rewrite is an actual introductory paragraph that's just as informative and can convince someone that the rest of the story won't be a waste of time. Why can't we just get the facts and not have to wade through an author's dinner conversation, family history or inane dream last week? Shakespeare suggested killing all the lawyers, not the editors.

9 posted on 10/09/2012 12:58:39 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Temp work is ‘exploding’ because of OBAMACARE. Small business have to get their fulltime employee count under 50 to avoid fines.................


10 posted on 10/09/2012 1:04:42 PM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sam_paine
The first paragraph is obnoxious.

Why?

I see nothing wrong with the writer pointing out the state of this country into which his granddaughter has been born.

11 posted on 10/09/2012 1:15:10 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Churchillspirit

“I really like Charles Payne.”

I used to, also. That is until I heard him say that he voted for 0bama in a Glenn Beck interview.

Since then, when he talks I turn down the sound.


12 posted on 10/09/2012 1:21:45 PM PDT by panaxanax
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: sam_paine

The paragraph you ripped apart is what it’s all about for Romney, and the rest of us. It’s our children, and grandchildren who will be left holding the bag.


13 posted on 10/09/2012 1:28:41 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: panaxanax
Yes, it is sad that even an intelligent man like Payne was duped by The Imposter.

I very much doubt he will vote for him this time.

14 posted on 10/09/2012 1:33:01 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

Just heard olive garden is turning full time employee’s into part time employee’s , for the reason you just posted, way to go.


15 posted on 10/09/2012 1:37:44 PM PDT by saturn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Special Report from Americans for Limited Government on

Erica L. Groshen, Nominee for Commissioner of theBureau of Labor Statistics July 2012

Introduction

Erica L. Groshen has been nominated to be the Commissioner of the Bureau of LaborStatistics (BLS). Research conducted by Americans for Limited Government (ALG) hasuncovered problems with Groshen’s background and views that call into question herqualifications to be the BLS Commissioner. The first part of this report deals with herquestionable association with a Communist founded camp. The second part is our alertconcerning her troubling statements on the amount of regulation to which smallbusiness should be subject.

Groshen’s Ties with Camp Kinderland, a Communist Founded Institution

Groshen and her husband are listed in the Kinderland Directory 2011-2012, whichindicates that they sent children to the camp during the 1990’s and 2000’s.

Groshenand her husband also gave an update for Kinderland’s newsletter that details their children’s current activities.

Given the history of the camp one might wonder why a person who touted herself as non-political would send their children there. Camp Kinderland was founded in the 1923 as a place for the children of radical Jewish activists. As proudly stated on its website, “Camp Kinderland is true to the vision of its founders.”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/100511043/Erica-Groshen-Report

A full report on Erica Groshen at the link. Kinderland was very involved in the preparations for an Occupy movement. Obamov is obviously rewarding her for being a great comrade.


16 posted on 10/09/2012 1:42:17 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: saturn

As will many other companies. You notice that the employment drop was a result of a sudden increase in PART TIME employment, now you know why........


17 posted on 10/09/2012 1:42:40 PM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Churchillspirit

Yes, it is sad that even an intelligent man like Payne was duped by The Imposter.

I very much doubt he will vote for him this time.

Obama was going up against the wet old withered noodle of McCain...

I can see how someone would vote for Bammy, and then shortly later have massive buyers remorse.


18 posted on 10/09/2012 1:53:06 PM PDT by GraceG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: saturn

Just heard olive garden is turning full time employee’s into part time employee’s , for the reason you just posted, way to go.

So is Barnes and Knoble and City Market becasue I know this from friends who work at these places.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 1:53:49 PM PDT by GraceG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Why does this not surprise me. There’s something incestuous about this administration.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 1:57:22 PM PDT by moovova (Obama was Swiftboated...er... Big-Birded by Romney. Is there no decency left in this world?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: st.eqed
On the surface the numbers seemed cooked. I hope somebody does an independent study on the real unemployment rate. And also under employment.

The Romney administration will certainly do a study along these lines. And it will involve not only the unemployment rate, but all the statistics that are measures of business activity -- corporate profits, orders and inventory, productivity, etc.

There are real reasons why these statistics are generated. They guide federal policy and play a role in all kinds of business decisions -- helping decision makers understand the business cycle and the true health of the economy.

It follows that there is a value in their accuracy.

I recall that, when the Bush II administration took office in 2001, they had to go back and re-state the economic data for the previous nine quarters! The Clinton administration had been over-stating the health of the economy for over two years, trying to mask a downturn that would have damaged the Democrats' electoral fortunes in the 2000 elections.

21 posted on 10/09/2012 2:03:48 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: panaxanax
Voting for Obama in a Glen Beck interview doesn't do any harm.

As long as he doesn't vote for Obama in a polling booth.

22 posted on 10/09/2012 2:25:00 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Verginius Rufus; Churchillspirit

Allow me to rephrase.

Payne admitted to Beck that he voted for 0bama. This was during a segment that Beck was doing on Mr. Payne in regards to his upbringing and childhood.

IMO, any financial ‘expert’ (as Payne portrays himself) loses all credibility if they voted for an obvious Socialist as Payne did.

Churchillspirit is correct, in that, he doubts that Payne will do the same this time around.


23 posted on 10/09/2012 3:03:21 PM PDT by panaxanax
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger
"As will many other companies. You notice that the employment drop was a result of a sudden increase in PART TIME employment, now you know why........"

On radio WGUL- I listened to an analysis of this & they said it is talking about new 'homebased' jobs. A government worker, retired who made $75,000 yearly now does some dog walking at $2,500 per year is considered a full time job.

They call the people & then count them as a full time job. If they call 4 different times - it's counted as 4 new permanent jobs.

Not sure if this analysis is correct - just passing info on what I heard.

24 posted on 10/09/2012 3:06:32 PM PDT by LADY J (You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have. - Author Unknown)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: panaxanax
Churchillspirit is correct, in that, he doubts that Payne will do the same this time around.

"he" is actually a "she".....:)

25 posted on 10/09/2012 3:18:07 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: st.eqed

Gallup has been reporting an independent “poll” of unemployment rate twice monthly for nearly two years: http://www.gallup.com/tag/Unemployment.aspx

They reported http://www.gallup.com/poll/157871/unadjusted-unemployment-rate-september.aspx that the unemployment rate was down a couple tenths, and their adjusted rate from September-September was unchanged.


26 posted on 10/09/2012 5:30:59 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Churchillspirit

Sorry but no intelligent man voted for Obama unless he was an outright crook.


27 posted on 10/09/2012 6:07:27 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: GraceG

Zombies should be disenfranchised.


28 posted on 10/09/2012 6:09:34 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind; blam; American Constitutionalist; stephenjohnbanker; M. Espinola; SwinneySwitch; ...
From Drudge today . . .

Jack Welch: I Was Right About That Strange Jobs Report

Just like I said before: King Obama was covering for his very BAD debate performance. The mainstream media ought to be jailed for going along with him like little lap dogs.

29 posted on 10/10/2012 7:01:45 AM PDT by ex-Texan (The Time to "Wake Up" is Over !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ex-Texan

Just the anemic GDP number would also prove that the fabricated Obama administration jobs report was bogus.


30 posted on 10/10/2012 7:05:41 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: GraceG
Just heard olive garden is turning full time employee’s into part time employee’s , for the reason you just posted, way to go.

So is Barnes and Knoble and City Market becasue I know this from friends who work at these places.

My Company is taking a slightly different tack, but to the same end -- we are replacing fulltime employees with 1099 workers that work contract to contract. They still work fulltime, but for higher salary and ZERO BENEFITS and as a result do not count toward the overall employee number. We have so far dropped from 117 'full time' employees to 68 in the last 6 months, and are on target to be below 50 by the end of the year.

31 posted on 10/10/2012 7:14:44 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: ex-Texan; All

” Some questions allow for unambiguous answers, but others less so. For instance, the range for part-time work falls between one hour and 34 hours a week. So, if an out-of-work accountant tells a census worker, “I got one baby-sitting job this week just to cover my kid’s bus fare, but I haven’t been able to find anything else,” that could be recorded as being employed part-time.”

There you are. A must read for FReepers.


32 posted on 10/10/2012 9:54:32 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: arrogantsob
Sorry but no intelligent man voted for Obama unless he was an outright crook.

Sorry but I think that is 20/20 hindsight.

In 2008 the prevailing wish was "Anybody but Hillary". Folks were willing to overlook guilt -by-association of Obama's relationship with people like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers.

Also many folks were not enthused by the GOP ticket.

The Kenyan would never have been my choice but I can understand how some people - especial blacks - could have been willing to "give him a try".

The good news is that this time around he has a record - and it will sink him!!

33 posted on 10/10/2012 10:36:45 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: Churchillspirit

It was obvious to anyone who cared to look at the man that he had NO qualifications to be president. Picking him over ANYONE was not an intelligent act.

I knew this then and so did anyone who took his duty as a citizen seriously.


34 posted on 10/10/2012 10:43:20 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: arrogantsob

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.


35 posted on 10/10/2012 11:01:41 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Churchillspirit

We have The Disaster ONLY because Americans do not take their responsibility as citizens seriously. They refuse to take the time to actually learn about their history, political system and what realities actually are.

It is as a means of redressing this that I find FR so remarkable for it is a haven for those who DO take their citizenship as a sacred matter.


36 posted on 10/10/2012 11:11:06 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: arrogantsob
At least we agree about responsibility.

It would be an ideal world if everyone gave equal measure to their responsibilities as well as to their rights.

37 posted on 10/10/2012 11:36:01 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Churchillspirit

I am sure I agree with anyone named “Churchillspirit” about a lot of things.


38 posted on 10/10/2012 11:38:12 AM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: arrogantsob
I am sure I agree with anyone named "Churchillspirit" about a lot of things.

:)

39 posted on 10/10/2012 11:42:01 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: ex-Texan

All the data coming from the Obama White House is nothing but lies.


40 posted on 10/10/2012 9:54:15 PM PDT by M. Espinola
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson