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Poll: Obama ahead in Minnesota; Klobuchar way ahead (D+9 Sample)
Minneapolis Star-Tribune ^ | October 9, 2012 | by: Rachel E. Stassen-Berger

Posted on 10/09/2012 1:16:46 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

A new poll of Minnesota voters shows Democratic President Obama with a ten percentage point advantage over Republican Mitt Romney and Democratic Senate incumbent Amy Klobuchar with a 26 percentage point advantage over Republican Kurt Bills.

The poll of Minnesota voters actually showed the president support narrowly increased from 51 percent to Romney's 44 percent in September to 53 percent to Romney's 43 percent in the recent polling. The PPP poll of Minnesota was done on Saturday and Sunday, perhaps mitigating the Obama dip of immediately after the Wednesday debate.

The pollster, which works with Democrats but releases public polls on races all over the nation, continues to produce results showing Klobuchar, a first-term Senator, is one of the most popular senators in the nation.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; election2012; mn2012; polls
Its sample included 38 percent self-identified Democrats; 29 percent Republicans and 32 percent independents or other. Thirty-seven percent of those polled self-identified as somewhat or very conservative; 33 percent self-identified as somewhat or very liberal and 30 percent consider themselves moderate.
1 posted on 10/09/2012 1:16:55 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Mon-dull, Jesse Ventura, Al Franken. Need we say more?


2 posted on 10/09/2012 1:18:53 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Aren’t there a LOT of Muslims in Minneapolis? They *own* the airport, that’s for sure.


3 posted on 10/09/2012 1:20:21 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The sampling model is actually not bad for MN.

This is probably failrly accurate.

Sad.


4 posted on 10/09/2012 1:21:21 PM PDT by TitansAFC (Nice job, Rick Santorum. Mission Accomplished! Grrrrrrrrrr.......................)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

MN is actually “MD of the north”, with a lot more cold and snow.


5 posted on 10/09/2012 1:25:22 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Libs, dems, unions, leftist scum & murderous muzzies - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

With an over sample like this maybe Mitt can take Minnesota :-)


6 posted on 10/09/2012 1:30:02 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I think I’ll stay out of Minnesota - forever.


7 posted on 10/09/2012 1:31:25 PM PDT by eCSMaster (Indep. Payment Advisory Board = "Death Panels")
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To: TitansAFC; SeekAndFind; LS; Perdogg; napscoordinator; God luvs America; nutmeg; SoFloFreeper; ...

Obama won Minnesota in 2008 54.06%-43.82% +10.24% in a year where he beat McCain by 7.2% of the vote. I find it hard to believe that 0bama 12 is out performing 0bama 08.

Plus it is ppp.


8 posted on 10/09/2012 1:31:31 PM PDT by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: Perdogg

Well we probably aren’t going to win every state. Heck, if NY and California could be in play we wouldn’t be such a nation at risk.


9 posted on 10/09/2012 1:34:11 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Huskrrrr
Mon-dull, Jesse Ventura, Al Franken. Need we say more?

Glittering jewels of wisdom all on a horses @ss.....well, almost all, anyway.....


10 posted on 10/09/2012 1:34:22 PM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I noticed a few state polls out today with dates from 10/5-10/8. All weekend days to help Obama. None included Thursday which would have been a huge day for Romney.


11 posted on 10/09/2012 1:34:34 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It is actually a very beautiful state, when it is not winter... - left Minnesota 16 years ago for Denver and will never go back. I grew up in MPLS schools and they brainwashed me for the longest time until I read Rush Limbaughs books when I was in my late teens and cleared my head of a lot of falsehoods.


12 posted on 10/09/2012 1:37:01 PM PDT by AmonAmarth (Wherever you go...There you are)
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To: thingumbob

LOL!


13 posted on 10/09/2012 1:41:34 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Williams

I understand what you say, but we are going into every election with states that ‘we have no chance in winning’. Well, we might actually win some of them if we compete for them.


14 posted on 10/09/2012 1:46:49 PM PDT by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Internals
15 posted on 10/09/2012 1:49:12 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is not a statement on my fellow conservatives here in Minnesota. God knows we try in an uphill battle, but in all reality, Minnesota will probably be the only red state on the map this election cycle.


16 posted on 10/09/2012 1:57:06 PM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: Thorliveshere

URGH! I meant BLUE state.


17 posted on 10/09/2012 1:57:52 PM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Maybe I'm stupid, but I thought the idea of statistical sampling went like this: you have a few million marbles in a hopper, and each marble be red or blue. You don't have time to count them all, so you shake and turn and stir the hopper so the marbles inside become randomly distributed, and after you do that you put on a blindfold and draw out a sample of few hundred marbles at random from the randomized hopper.

Then you count the red and blue marbles in your sample, and - if you know some statistical formulas, or have a table of statistical data - you can now estimate the total number of red and blue marbles in the entire hopper on the basis of the count you come up with in your sample.

That's why it's called statistical sampling.

OK. Fine. We know all about that. If there are just a few marbles in your sample, the chance that your estimate will be off is higher. If, on the other hand, you draw out a lot of marbles for your sample, your estimate can still be off, but the probable error of your estimate will be smaller than it would have been if you'd only picked out a few marbles.

But now, we add a wrinkle. The red and blue color on the marbles is only a wrapper on the real marble. Inside the red wrapper you usually find a red marble, and inside the blue wrapper you usually find a blue marble... but not always. Sometimes you open a red wrapper and find a blue marble, and sometimes a red marble hides inside a blue wrapper.

What the polling organizations seem to be doing is this: they draw the random sample, count the red and blue wrappers, and - based on the number of red and blue marbles inside the wrappers in the last trial - they throw out a certain number of red-wrapped marbles until the color ratio of the wrappers is the same as the color ratio of the marbles inside the wrappers found the last trial. After they throw away red-wrapped marbles, they open all the wrappers and count the red and blue marbles that were inside.

Now, as I said, maybe I'm stupid, but this seems like false mathematical reasoning on the part of the polling organizations. If they stuck to basic statistical polling methods, the sampled ratio of people who say they're going to vote for Obama to the sampled ratio of people who say they're going to vote for Romney would work out by itself without any post-sample tweeking.

18 posted on 10/09/2012 1:58:17 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Huskrrrr
NO. Gosh what is in their milk, what are those cows eating?

Do some people just get their thrills by being stupidly antagonistic? Think so.

19 posted on 10/09/2012 2:03:10 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: Huskrrrr
Don't forget Governor Goofy (who looks kind of like the state fish - the Walleye).

Ex-alcoholic blasted out of his skull pharmacy style.

20 posted on 10/09/2012 2:06:19 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: Thorliveshere

glad you claified that, being and Okie you know. We were the only RED state in 08, won’t be this time I’m hope.


21 posted on 10/09/2012 2:06:59 PM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: Thorliveshere

We had 16 good years in Minnesota. Back in 2000, we had 30 days of 20 below or 20 days of 30 below (I forget which) so we took our Yankee money and moved south.


22 posted on 10/09/2012 2:07:34 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Steely Tom

The problem is that the people of Minnesota have lost all their marbles.................


23 posted on 10/09/2012 2:21:40 PM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Perdogg

24 posted on 10/09/2012 3:01:31 PM PDT by devolve (----- ------- ------CHEESEBURGER--CHEESEBURGER--CHEESEBURGER------- ----------------------------)
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To: Huskrrrr

Mon-dull, Jesse Ventura, Al Franken. Need we say more?


That’s all you need to know. Well stated


25 posted on 10/09/2012 3:12:28 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We had 16 good years in Minnesota. Back in 2000, we had 30 days of 20 below or 20 days of 30 below (I forget which) so we took our Yankee money and moved south.


Lived there on and off the same number of years, and can attest to your
Recollection regarding temps.

Also like you have moved on to the sunny south.


26 posted on 10/09/2012 3:17:26 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; TitansAFC; Perdogg; Steely Tom

FWIW, the Red Star’s polling is historically 7 points off in favor of the Democrat.


27 posted on 10/09/2012 8:53:34 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: patriotspride
Many out staters laugh at Ventura but when he ran for Gov, he sounded conservative. he gave back thousands of dollars (we got a check for $3 or $4 thousand) as “overpayment” in sales tax or something because his conservative insticticts suggested the money ought to be returned. And we got some tax money back, based on what we paid. This was good.
Sadly, six months into his administration, Jesse went nuts and spooked out, threatening to kill at reporter for the Strib. That was his undoing...
28 posted on 10/09/2012 9:05:45 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: GreatOne
FWIW, the Red Star’s polling is historically 7 points off in favor of the Democrat.

That's about what one would expect from today's "objective" Main Stream Media. Spotting the Democrats 7 points is "objectivity" under the current rules.

29 posted on 10/09/2012 9:45:55 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Many out staters laugh at Ventura but when he ran for Gov, he sounded conservative. he gave back thousands of dollars (we got a check for $3 or $4 thousand) as “overpayment” in sales tax or something because his conservative insticticts suggested the money ought to be returned. And we got some tax money back, based on what we paid. This was good.
Sadly, six months into his administration, Jesse went nuts and spooked out, threatening to kill at reporter for the Strib. That was his undoing...


I’ll agree he was more conservative to start with.

Franken on the other hand is hard to comprehend......


30 posted on 10/10/2012 7:07:32 AM PDT by patriotspride
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