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Study: Young Americans Dumping Religion at Rapid Rate
The New American ^ | 09 October 2012 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 10/09/2012 3:25:25 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer

According to a recent study, religion is dying in America. And it’s a trend that has grave implications for our politics, culture, and the fate of our civilization. Ben Fearnow of CBS News reports on the story, writing:

...The study also posits some theories for this burgeoning irreligiosity, which, writes Fearnow, “run the gamut from a backlash against the entanglement of religion and politics to a global relationship between economic development and secularization.” Now, I don’t know if that “gamut” includes the obvious, but these two theories miss the mark.

Question: Do we wonder why Pakistan is spawning jihadists when we know that 10,000 madrassahs (Muslim schools) pepper its lands? In the same vein, American schools, along with the media and popular culture, instill secular dogma (I discuss one dimension of this here), and faith and her institutions are continuously discredited via specious documentaries and biased news reportage. Put simply, our culture preaches a secular-fundamentalist message. So is it any wonder that Americans are thus influenced? But more about the cause in a moment.

Having said this, some traditionalists will note that there’s also good news. As the study indicates, not all the “unaffiliated” are atheists; in fact, 68 percent claim to believe in God and 21 percent pray every day. The question is, To whom?

I’m not just being snide. The unaffiliated’s behavior reflects the now common position, “I’m spiritual, but not religious,” and this is in fact a claim 37 percent of them make. Yet while it sounds enlightened and cool to modern ears to profess spirituality, it’s a meaningless statement.

(Excerpt) Read more at thenewamerican.com ...


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KEYWORDS: decline; generationy; religion; secularism; trends; unchurched; youth; youthvote
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Excellent analysis. This is a pice that goes beyondreporting and down to philosophy.
1 posted on 10/09/2012 3:25:35 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

Our Catholic church in Miami overflows on Sundays and is always very active.


2 posted on 10/09/2012 3:28:38 PM PDT by mgist
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To: Paladins Prayer

Hollywood and the public school system is wining the moral battle for our young people.


3 posted on 10/09/2012 3:28:58 PM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: Paladins Prayer

“Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening a mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.”
G.K. Chesterton


4 posted on 10/09/2012 3:30:51 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; F15Eagle; .45 Long Colt; Buddygirl; Former Fetus; Bockscar; Graybeard58; JLLH; ..

Baptist ping


5 posted on 10/09/2012 3:34:11 PM PDT by WKB (After 4 years of Obama I am ready for a little R and R!!)
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To: mgist

Total church membership reported in the 2012 Yearbook is 145,691,446 members, down 1.15 percent over 2011.

1. The Catholic Church 68,202,492, [ranked 1 in 2011] , down 0.44 percent.
2. Southern Baptist Convention 16,136,044, [ranked 2 in 2011] , down 0.15 percent.
3. The United Methodist Church 7,679,850, [ranked 3 in 2011] , down 1.22 percent.
4. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 6,157,238, [ranked 4 in 2011] , up 1.62 percent.
5. The Church of God in Christ 5,499,875, [ranked 5 in 2011] , no update reported.
6. National Baptist Convention , U.S.A. , Inc. 5,197,512, [ranked 6 in 2011] , up 3.95 percent.
7. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America 4,274,855, [ranked 7 in 2011] , down 5.90 percent.
8. National Baptist Convention of America , Inc. 3,500,000, [ranked 8 in 2011] , no update reported.
9. Assemblies of God 3,030,944, [ranked 9 in 2011] , up 3.99 percent.
10. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) 2,675,873, [ranked 10 in 2011] , down 3.42 percent.
11. African Methodist Episcopal Church 2,500,000, [ranked 11 in 2011] , no update reported.
12. National Missionary Baptist Convention of America 2,500,000, [ranked 11 in 2011] , no update reported.
13. The Lutheran Church — Missouri Synod (LCMS) 2,278,586, [ranked 13 in 2011] , down 1.45 percent.
14. The Episcopal Church 1,951,907, [ranked 14 in 2011] , down 2.71 percent.
15. Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Inc. 1,800,000, ranked 15 [ranked 17 in 2011] , up 20 percent.
16. Churches of Christ 1,639,495, [ranked 15 in 2011] , no update reported.
17. Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America 1,500,000 , [ranked 16 in 2011] , no update reported.
18. The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church 1,400,000, [ranked 18 in 2011] , no update reported.
19. American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A. 1,308,054, [ranked 19 in 2011] , down 0.19 percent.
20. Jehovah’s Witnesses 1,184,249, [ranked 20 in 2011] , up 1.85 percent.
21. Church of God ( Cleveland , Tennessee ) 1,074,047, [ranked 22 in 2011] , down 0.21 percent.
22. Christian Churches and Churches of Christ 1,071,616, [ranked 23 in 2011] , no update reported.
23. Seventh-day Adventist Church 1,060,386, [ranked 24 in 2011] , up 1.61 percent.
24. United Church of Christ 1,058,423, [ranked 21 in 2011], down 2.02 percent.
25. Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc. 1,010,000, [ranked 25 in 2011 ], no update reported.
Total membership in top 25 churches: 145,691,446, down 1.15 percent.


6 posted on 10/09/2012 3:35:41 PM PDT by mgist
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To: Paladins Prayer
nearly 33 million people who say they have no particular religious affiliation (14 percent).

What does the writer mean by affiliation? I know Christians who are no longer members of a church because of that church's position on homosexuality.

I did not read the entire CBS report, but it is possible to not be a member of a denomination and still believe in the Lord, Bible etc.

I would like to know how many have left “the church” but not Christ?

7 posted on 10/09/2012 3:35:46 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Paladins Prayer
"According to a recent study, religion is dying in America."

If true, America will die along with it.

Those of us who believe knew it was coming....just seems to be happening at light speed.

8 posted on 10/09/2012 3:36:23 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Paladins Prayer

bmflr


9 posted on 10/09/2012 3:40:41 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: NoGrayZone

We’ve seen from Europe’s example that “Secular Humanism” does not vill the void as Christianity is shoved aside. It just holds the door open for Islam.


10 posted on 10/09/2012 3:40:45 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Does this include declining Zer0 worship?


11 posted on 10/09/2012 3:42:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladins Prayer

If one studies human deities over the ages one would see a transition, evolution as it were, from many gods (polytheism) to one g(G)od (monotheism). It is not surprising that nonotheism would be the next step. As an agnostic I still have strong feelings on the subject, probably from my religious upbringing (including many years as an altar boy when the Mass was still said in Latin). After assembling all of the evidence, I still don’t know...but I’ll keep looking. I promise to never burden this, a conservative political site, with my religious angst.


12 posted on 10/09/2012 3:43:02 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: mgist

Thank you mgist. Puts things in perspective.


13 posted on 10/09/2012 3:43:02 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Maybe because our public schools teach that evolution is their GOD; and there is no other. (A fool has said in his heart, there is no God...


14 posted on 10/09/2012 3:44:02 PM PDT by BillT (If you can not stand behind our military, you might as well stand in front of them!)
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To: ForAmerica

Yes and the churches are doing so much to combat it own decline. No moral compass, moral equivalency, political correctness, pedophilia just to name a few.


15 posted on 10/09/2012 3:49:05 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Really NOW!!!!)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Don’t buy it. Since I’ve been seeing this message consistently in the MSM, I doubt it. Pew works for the FEDS. They lie, wishfull thinking.


16 posted on 10/09/2012 3:49:42 PM PDT by mgist
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To: Paladins Prayer

A discussion I had with a teenager a couple of years ago illustrated this mindset well. After he espoused some relativistic sentiments, I pointed out that if everything is relative, he couldn’t rightly say that “racism” or “sexism” was wrong. He actually agreed, saying (I’m paraphrasing), “It sometimes scares me that there’s no Truth, and sometimes I wish there was, but that’s just the way it is.” He ended the conversation shortly thereafter, before I could marshal further arguments. And the real tragedy is that this wasn’t done out of anger — but ennui. But how culpable was he for his indifference? He had been taught that there are no treasures to be found, no answers — only preferences. Thus, searching for them made no more sense than laboring long and hard to discover whether chocolate, vanilla, or strawberry is the “best” flavor. A quick taste tells you all you need to know because it’s whatever works for you, man. So from his relativistic perspective, his intellectual incuriosity was entirely logical.


Not the way I was brought up........................


17 posted on 10/09/2012 3:50:13 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: TornadoAlley3

I do see a generation ripe for conversion to Islam, probably one of the more insidious threats buried in this report.

The endless battering of any mention of Western religions in public schools, the mocking of Christmas and Christianity, the open contempt for any sort of conversation about morality and values, and the outright denial of observations of any kind, except for Islamic rituals, is fast setting the pace.

Public school officials seem paralyzed when it comes to setting the same limits on Islam, or even witchcraft, that they routinely place on Judeo-Christian traditions. It is OK to set aside prayer rooms and declare school holidays for Islamic students, but the non-Islamic have no such amenities granted to them.

Where there is a vacuum, something shall rush in to fill it.


18 posted on 10/09/2012 3:52:41 PM PDT by alloysteel ("You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity".)
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To: BillT

Now that you mention that, the author links to an article on evolution that he wrote. I’m glad I read it because it really is phenomenal.


19 posted on 10/09/2012 3:54:56 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

And unless we reverse this cultural decline, tomorrow is something we may not want to see.


The money quote. I am not very optimistic of the future because we are not getting at the core of the problem.

Tough times are the only thing that will get us to turn to God.


20 posted on 10/09/2012 3:55:43 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: PeterPrinciple

The following is a non partisan University study. http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/fastfacts/fast_facts.html

It appears liberal churches have lost the most, but there is still an overall increase.


21 posted on 10/09/2012 3:55:43 PM PDT by mgist
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To: ForAmerica
My new sign in my PU rear window;


WHEN YOU REMOVE WHAT'S RIGHT

ALL YOU HAVE

IS WHAT'S LEFT


RIGHTEOUSNESS

EXALTETH A NATION

23 posted on 10/09/2012 4:03:11 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: oblomov
Interesting you should mention Chesterson...

He also said (in relation to a slow miracle to that of a fast one):

An event is not any more intrinsically intelligible or unintelligible because of the pace at which it moves. For a man who does not believe in a miracle, a slow miracle would be just as incredible as a swift one. The Greek witch may have turned sailors to swine with a stroke of the wand. But to see a naval gentleman of our acquaintance looking a little more like a pig every day, till he ended with four trotters and a curly tail, would not be any more soothing.... The medieval wizard may have flown through the air from the top of a tower; but to see an old gentleman walking through the air, in a leisurely and lounging manner, would still seem to call for some explanation. Yet there runs through all the rationalistic treatment of history this curious and confused idea that difficulty is avoided, or even a mystery eliminated, by dwelling on mere delay or on something dilatory in the process of things.... The ultimate question is why [things] go at all; and anybody who really understands that question will know that it always has been and always will be a religious question; or at any a rate a philosophical or metaphysical question. And most certainly he will not think the question answered by some substitution of gradual for abrupt change.

24 posted on 10/09/2012 4:05:27 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: mgist

Honestly, do we really need research to tell us that Christianity has been under violent assault for decades now? When the whole culture tries to discredit faith 24/7, it’s a no-brainer that we’ll spawn atheists. If you want to see the result, just look at the comments under the CBS News piece. It’s an intellectual and spiritual wasteland.


25 posted on 10/09/2012 4:05:41 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Ron C.

Did you read the evolution article the author linked up to? Because the passage you pasted is in it. If you didn’t read it, you should.


26 posted on 10/09/2012 4:10:34 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer
I'm 60 years old and dumped religion the second I was able to escape my parents.

We were in church every time the door was open and sometimes when it was not.

Twice on Sunday for a minimum of 3 hours each. Tuesday for an hour. Wednesday for 2 hours. Thursday for 2 hours. Every week.

Then, there were the endless potluck dinners and "special" events.

The only thing that saved my sanity was that the church had a library. I read all of the Hardy Boys, all of the Nancy Drew series. All of everything I could get my hands on to avoid listening to the drivel emanating from the crowd and the pulpit.

They did make a mistake in that library, which was to put works by Isaac Asimov in there; I think because he was a biblical scholar. However, he wrote a number of other things and those led me to be even more impatient with the drill.

I've never gone back, except for the occasional wedding or funeral, and never intend to do so again.

27 posted on 10/09/2012 4:14:08 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Wow - thanks for the heads-up... the ‘link’ wasn’t easy to find, but what’s there I’m reading now...


28 posted on 10/09/2012 4:15:50 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: mgist; Salvation
Good deal! Out of curiosity is a good proportion of the congregation Cuban or other Hispanic?

We attend the Latin Mass but on visiting Portland, OR, Sunday, noticed that the Mass at the The Grotto was overflowing as well.

Pinged Mrs. Salvation for the Oregon reference.

29 posted on 10/09/2012 4:15:49 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: mgist

If it’s in Miami, it likely has a large Hispanic contingent, which would make it an anomaly. The pattern, though, is unmistakeable. And closing our eyes to it won’t help.


30 posted on 10/09/2012 4:17:33 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

Mainline denominations are losing people at rapid rate because of:
1 not teaching and preaching Scripture as was handed down by generations past.
2, are adopting worldly ways
3. are accepting and promoting liberal ways especially the homosexual agenda.
4. have been making those with conservative beliefs unwelcome.
5 have substituted diversity in place of welcoming - there is a profound difference
6. etc.


31 posted on 10/09/2012 4:19:52 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elkfersupper

Well, it’s good your parents didn’t send you to the wrong school. You might have rejected education.

Speaking of education, did it ever occur to you that not all churches preach the truth?


32 posted on 10/09/2012 4:20:00 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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33 posted on 10/09/2012 4:26:58 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: elpadre

Amo_8:11 “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord GOD, “That I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine of bread, Nor a thirst for water, But of hearing the words of the LORD.


You don’t suppose it could be God doing this?


34 posted on 10/09/2012 4:30:48 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: Paladins Prayer

Wisdom: Joshua 24:15


35 posted on 10/09/2012 4:35:06 PM PDT by Condor 63
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To: Paladins Prayer
Thanks for your heads-up - that article is quite good and deserves a link on this thread.

All FReepers should read it to augment their education.

36 posted on 10/09/2012 4:46:43 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Paladins Prayer
Study: Young Americans Dumping Religion at Rapid Rate

We've been fighting a battle at the political level that must first be won at a deeper level.

We are a fifty-fifty nation, teetering on the edge. Even the elections we win we only win by fractions, and too often with politicians with scarce understanding of the fundaments of the American system. And the trends are against us; every year we graduate another wave of young people with no clue of the principles they must grasp if they are to remain free. Every year our hold on freedom is that much weaker. We keep scratching around, looking to the next election to turn the tide but you don't turn such a tide with elections.

This problem is moral, and its spiritual. Cede the moral and spiritual battle and it doesn't much matter who wins the political one.

You have to build the culture you want to live in, and you have to pass it on to the people who come after you, and you can't do that without teaching and evangelizing. And you can't do that when you cede control of the infrastructure of the battlefield of ideas to your enemies. That is to say, the schools and universities, the information and entertainment media. And you can't do it when what passes for the church loses its way and stops actively evangelizing and winning souls.

Win the moral and spiritual battle, and the political one will naturally follow. Lose the moral and spiritual battle and again, the political one will naturally follow and things will take their inevitable course. When you consider who writes history, once we lose the America we once aspired to be, no one will believe it ever was.

I'm as interested and passionate about the upcoming elections as anyone, but that is only a temporary answer, it is clutching at a straw. We either rededicate this country to God, and rededicate ourselves and our families too, or we resign ourselves to a long and dark road. I think most of us here know this and are on the same page, most of us here know where the real battle is.

37 posted on 10/09/2012 4:55:49 PM PDT by marron
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To: BillT

“The Soviets’ ‘official’ religious stance was one of ‘religious freedom or tolerance’, though the state established atheism as the only scientific truth. Criticism of atheism or the state’s anti-religious policies was forbidden and could lead to forced retirement, arrest and/or imprisonment.”


38 posted on 10/09/2012 4:58:48 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Paladins Prayer

“Speaking of education, did it ever occur to you that not all churches preach the truth?”

I was attending an Assembly of God church (considered fringe by a lot of mainstream churches) and was given a very clear dream to leave when they were considering going mega-church. I’ve alway taught my children that they are the church, and it’s about faith, not religion.

I may have gotten the last church I attended kicked out of their denomination. I happened to mention to an online friend some of the issues with the church. I later discovered he had high up contacts. A month later the church was independent.

My daughter is staying with a cousin in California and went to church with the family. She thinks her cousin is atheist or agnostic, and he hates the rote crap week after week. My daughter declined a second visit. Church of Starbucks doesn’t cut it. An hour and a half of happy music, maybe a bit of admonition, but end on a happy note, doesn’t cut it. For the most part, the concept of “Christianity” is broken in our county.


39 posted on 10/09/2012 5:01:17 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Paladins Prayer
Well, it’s good your parents didn’t send you to the wrong school. You might have rejected education. Speaking of education, did it ever occur to you that not all churches preach the truth?

I educated myself, despite my parents or government schools.

All churches preach mythology based on hearsay.

40 posted on 10/09/2012 5:13:43 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

The problem is that your parents didn’t instill you with the proper philosophical foundation. Understand that the most brilliant men in history have come to faith. Chesterton is the best example. And yes, he was smarter than you (and everyone else).


41 posted on 10/09/2012 5:32:43 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: elkfersupper
I educated myself, despite my parents or government schools.

You are your own teacher, the envy of compulsory students everywhere.

Do you recognize any higher authority above you, other than the grudging submission to governments which can impose themselves upon you by threat of force or confinement?

What a wonder, to be so great in one's own eyes.

Are you your own god?

42 posted on 10/09/2012 5:35:46 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Wait a minute! Romney doesn't suck? I'm trying to keep up.)
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To: ExGeeEye
Are you your own god?

No, I don't believe in gods.

43 posted on 10/09/2012 5:40:24 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: ForAmerica

Hollywood and the public schools win with no competition. Kids are raised by them.


44 posted on 10/09/2012 5:42:18 PM PDT by Varda
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To: alloysteel
>>Where there is a vacuum, something shall rush in to fill it.

Recall the rats canceled a “jumah,” muzzie prayer meeting a couple days before their convention. Barbaric islam is just another victim group in the democrat coalition. It isn't just muzzie brotherhood openly working with the administration; the rat party has openly embraced the enemies of civilization and very few public figures openly speak of it.

There is very little time. God help us.

45 posted on 10/09/2012 5:43:17 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Exterminate rats.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Unfortunately, we’re dealing with a closed-minded individual here. He’s upset with how his parents chose to expose him to religion (some never grow up), so now he wants to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

It’s good his parents didn’t take him to boring Republican events on a regular basis. He might be a flaming liberal today.


46 posted on 10/09/2012 5:48:13 PM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

Looks like The Devil has finally got his act together.


47 posted on 10/09/2012 6:10:13 PM PDT by Misterioso (The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see.--Rand)
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To: Paladins Prayer
"If it’s in Miami, it likely has a large Hispanic contingent, which would make it an anomaly. The pattern, though, is unmistakeable. And closing our eyes to it won’t help." our church is very mixed, and I would guess upper middle class. I dont think we are an exception in terms of membership. Like I said, the MSM has been pushing this story lately and we know how they work. Of course there are athiests out there, but overall church membership is still on the rise, and it is impossible to quantify real believers.
48 posted on 10/10/2012 5:25:33 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist

Let’s not be ridiculous. I’ve attended parishes all over the U.S., and the pattern is generally this: the pews are filled — although “filled” is the wrong word because they’re sparsely occupied — with old folks and a few families with children. There are exceptions to this, but not many.

Additionally, even those who do go to church are becoming more liberal (meaning, more secular-minded).

And what’s not hard to quantify is the overall trend in our society, which is toward secularism at an alarming rate. Get your head out of the sand.


49 posted on 10/10/2012 7:58:09 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: mgist

Mormons, National Baptists, Assemblies of God and Assemblies of the World as well as Jehovah’s Witnesses are up by more than 1 %


50 posted on 10/14/2012 5:53:27 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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