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Men jailed after sniper rifle found in back of minicab in South Croydon
Croydon Toda ^ | 9 Oct 2012 | GarethD2011

Posted on 10/09/2012 9:28:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog

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To: Smokin' Joe
What makes a weapon a terrorist weapon is the way it is employed, not the weapon itself.

Precisely!

That they DID get THIS kind of punishment for this kind of WEAPON is unconscionable. And I'd be saying the same thing if their names had been Achmed, Mohammed, and Abdulla.

101 posted on 10/10/2012 7:38:54 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Anyone laughing at the idea of a .22 sniper rifle....

Nobody is laughing at the .22, itself. But this is the equivalent of a million dollar judgement for spilling hot coffee. (nobody said the lady didn't get a nasty burn)

As for calling it a "sniper rifle," only if you don't know what a "sniper" is...

That silenced, scoped, .22s have been deployed as "special purpose" weapons by military, assassination, and police units, backed by heavier weapons is similarly not disputed. That's not what happened here.

A legitimate "sniper" would no more carry this weapon in the field than a soldier would carry a tricked out 10/22 for an assault rifle.

102 posted on 10/10/2012 7:55:22 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: TangoLimaSierra
You know, without the /s tag some folks on this board just won’t get it.

Meekly raising my hand.....

103 posted on 10/10/2012 7:57:20 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Longtooth
At least we don’t have to lose any sleep about the Brits invading us.

No, all we have to worry about are jackasses on our side of the ocean saying "see, this is reasonable."

104 posted on 10/10/2012 8:00:53 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Trailerpark Badass
There's a reason the IDF used to use suppressed 10-22's control for crowd/mob control, until human rights groups complained too loudly.

There's also a reason for all those other soldiers backing up the marksman in your picture, as well as the slinged assault rifle on the guy with the 10/22.

As far as I'm concerned, throwing these guys in jail *for these weapons* would be the same as convicting them of terrorism because they bought a copy of "Unintended Consequences."

105 posted on 10/10/2012 8:11:35 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: the scotsman
The article is convicting the guns themselves as the criminal element. You claim the perps have prior convictions for violent crimes.

Which did the prosecution focus more upon? The dinky .22 rimfire, or the perps criminal background?

It sounds to me like they focused on the gun, so as to continue to justify their own draconian gun laws, while publicizing "guns are bad". Well I guess MEAT CLEAVERS are bad too! Do you have one in your kitchen? It's there to do maximum damage to flesh, I'd bet. You might even have a sausage grinder. You are a potential mass murderer!

More soberly;
In the U.S. a convicted felon can go straight to jail for gun possession. A convicted felon out on parole will go straight to jail for gun possession.

But let's not have everyone disarmed, or else we'll all be left as prey to those whom would rob and harm us, armed with meat cleavers... which was one of the perps previous weapons of choice, was it not?

If you are in Scotland, perhaps you could use this incident to talk some sense into the heads of your United Kingdom countrymen.

It's not the blasted .22 that is the problem, any more than a meat cleaver itself was the problem.

it is THE CRIMINAL that IS THE PROBLEM. Could there be any better example? If you cannot see that, go to your kitchen right now, and remove all knives, even the butter knives. Replace them and all the other flatware with the flimsiest plastic eating utensils made. And get rid of all razor blades too, least you or someone else be tempted to use them for a weapon.

Might as well throw out all the iron frying pans, too. Check your closet, there may be a dangerous cricket bat hiding in there. Who knows when it's going to leap out of there and bash some poor slob!

106 posted on 10/10/2012 8:12:52 AM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: Peet

Wow, who knew I owned so many AK-47s and Glocks ;^)


107 posted on 10/10/2012 8:16:42 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: the scotsman

One more thing. No more golfing. For you, or anyone else in Scotland. I know, the sport pretty much originated there...but those clubs they use... TOO DANGEROUS! Get rid of them immediately. People can get their emotions wound up on the golf course, you know? It’s only a matter of time before Scotland experiences a grievous national tragedy. The game is just too dangerous. It’s the clubs themselves... they can KILL!


108 posted on 10/10/2012 8:17:39 AM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: ctdonath2
I see you have your "sniper rifle" camouflaged for your upcoming rampage at the "Build-A-Bear!" /s

Better lose the hat and get a "Hello Kitty" purse if you really want to fit in....

109 posted on 10/10/2012 8:21:54 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

A ‘sniper’ according to Websters is “a marksman who shoots at people from a concealed place”

A scoped, silenced .22 calibre rifle is precisely the kind of weapon that would be used by a sniper according to this dictionary definition.


110 posted on 10/10/2012 8:42:33 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Dictionaries are not known for their martial acumen.


111 posted on 10/10/2012 8:59:34 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger
Maybe they have reason to suspect that the rifles (and ammo) were intended for malicious use (such as communications intercepts or other contacts, including possibly informants).

Without that context to show intent, the possession of the rifles and ammo shows only the means to carry out such plans, not actually having a plan to conduct any terrorist act more nefarious than the removal of varmints (the 4-legged variety).

I seriously there is more to this than we are being told.

112 posted on 10/10/2012 9:06:56 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I seriously there is more to this than we are being told.

Joe, I don't doubt that for a minute. But what we ARE being told is nothing short of Orwellian.

113 posted on 10/10/2012 9:15:50 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: buffaloguy

Well, that will teach you to burn Toronto.


114 posted on 10/10/2012 10:21:42 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: papertyger

Indeed, dear friend.

Let’s have some fun together with a story that deserves the ridicule.


115 posted on 10/10/2012 10:26:47 AM PDT by lurk
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To: BlueDragon

I think the long sentences pretty much reflect the fact that the men jailed were career criminals and gang members, one was already out on licence yet went and committed this serious crime. Focusing on the .22 weapon/ammunition misses that these men are serious gang members and multiple offenders/career criminals. And as been pointed out by others, .22 weapons and ammo are not quite as weak as posters are making out.

I have no problem with the sentences. BECAUSE they are for the men’s continued criminal acts, not this single crime. Had the men not been career criminals with criminal records, they I can assure you would never have got anywhere near 16 yrs. Jailed yes, but probably a sentence of a third of what was handed out. Probably 6 rather than 16.


116 posted on 10/10/2012 10:29:30 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: papertyger

They are career criminals and gang members who bought this rifle, as well as hollowpoint ammo. What do you think they bought it for?.

They didnt get 16 yrs for having a .22. They got 16 yrs because they are violent criminals who bought the weapon and ammo clearly to shoot at other gangs, not cute squirrels. They got 16 yrs because this charge was the umpteenth for most of them.

Had they been non-career criminals, the UK sentence would have been much less. Probably a third to a half of what they got.


117 posted on 10/10/2012 10:36:24 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: elcid1970

No, being gang members and career criminals with multiple convictions and serious histories of violence, who buy a rifle, hollowpoint ammo, a silencer and scope gets you 16 yrs. Esp when at least one of them is out on licence for another serious violent crime conviction.

And your EDL point is just stupid beyond belief.


118 posted on 10/10/2012 10:40:50 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: elcid1970

Oh, and 96% of the UK is NOT Muslim.
And 93% is white.
And Mohammed is not the no 1 boys name in the UK.
Nor has the UK been conquered by Islam.

What IS this American obsession with the UK being a dhimmi state?.


119 posted on 10/10/2012 10:45:16 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

You can quibble and cavil to your heart’s content, but that’s NOT what the story says, nor the focus of the government official’s hyperbole.

All indications from both the writer’s posture, and the spokesman’s statements, lead any non-apologist to believe the convicts’ history and character are not an issue.


120 posted on 10/10/2012 11:06:58 AM PDT by papertyger
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