Posted on 10/10/2012 1:56:42 AM PDT by imardmd1
America is like a train going rapidly toward a cliff. The election of 2012 may determine if we fly off the precipice, or slow down enough to get the train turned around.
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So then, who should we vote for this November?
In regards to the upcoming presidential election, I have heard some Christians say they will not vote for Barack Obama since he clearly supports and promotes issues contrary to the Bible, like abortion and homosexual marriage. But, they say, they cannot vote for Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon, and they point out the unbiblical doctrines of Mormonism. Their choice then will be to vote for a third party candidate, write in a name,or not vote at all. Should this be the choice of Biblical thinking Christians?
It is very important whom we choose to govern us. When the righteous rule, the people will rejoice, but when the wicked govern they will groan (Prov. 29:2). Our nation’s welfare and stability—our continuance (or recovery) as a nation of liberty, justice, and prosperity—will be greatly affected by whom we choose to lead us.
To elect Godly leaders we need to know the qualities of a Godly leader, and here, as in all of life, the Bible provides a standard. In choosing those who govern, we must compare their qualifications to those that the Bible says are of most importance.
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As we shall see, Obama is also anti-life, supporting and promoting abortion consistently throughout his public life, is against the Biblical family, recently saying he supports same-sex marriage, and promotes public immorality. The conclusion is that, while a professing Christian, Obama shows little fruit of true Christian faith.
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Regarding his actions, Romney is pro-life and upholds the Biblical family, so in these two important matters, unlike Obama, he embraces the ideals of the Christian faith. Romney has also not shown hostility toward Christianity as has Obama.
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Under Obama’s fiscal and moral leadership, the train is heading toward the cliff at 100 miles per hour. In general, those who have led the nation in recent generations, both Democrats and Republicans, have been going the wrong way on the track headed toward the cliff. Some have slowed the train but what is needed is to turn the train around. There are those currently serving in government who want to do this, and have tried, but we need more servant leaders who adhere to the Biblical qualifications of Godly officials before this is possible.
Since slowing the train down will give us more time to prepare new leaders, Romney seems the best option at this time. In contrast to Obama, he also supports life and upholding the Biblical definition of marriage. Romney certainly does not meet all of the Biblical qualifications for Godly officials, but he comes closer to the standard than Obama. We cannot afford to continue down the wrong track at 100 miles per hour because the cliff is coming soon. Slowing the train to 20 miles per hour may give us time to awaken to our civil duties, and restore Godly leadership to the nation.
To those who say they cannot vote for either and will vote “other,” this is in reality a vote for the least Biblical guy. By your tacit consent, you are helping put the worst guy in office. At 100 miles per hour, I fear we cannot last long enough to restore America to its place as the most free, prosperous, virtuous, and just nation the world has ever seen.
There are three things God told us to do; do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly with God. The choice is obvious given these qualifications.
So the whole premise of the thread is silly it's such a no-brainer.
Not voting for anyone is being a non-participant in the gravest fight for this nation in our lifetimes. It is cowardice of the worst form, having others fight for your freedom and the freedom of your children. Voting for some 3rd party in this election is even worse than voting "present".
"Evil wins when good men do nothing".
This is a VERY easy question to answer: Vote for the one who believes that our human rights come to us from our Creator and NOT from the government. Because if they come from our Creator, then government cannot take them away - they are inalienable. These human rights begin with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Now which one believes our rights comes from our Creator?
This is a VERY easy question to answer: Vote for the one who believes that our human rights come to us from our Creator and NOT from the government. Because if they come from our Creator, then government cannot take them away - they are inalienable. These human rights begin with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Now which one believes our rights comes from our Creator?
Also remember the last judgement, how God is going to judge us as seen in the Gospel of Mathew.
The one on the left had a 0bama/Biden bumper sticker on it.
The one on the right had a bumper sticker that said "Christians Don't Vote for Abortionists".
Coincidence?
The one who came prepared in the first debate prepared and it is NOT OBAMA.
Yes! One party clearly has a passion for false Gods and worldly appetites which spring from a tremendously strong
desire to enslave and control others..Envy is the engine which drives that. Are we seeing injustice, lies, picking winners and losers based on idolatry, the provocation of race and class war? Yes, we are. The coarseness of this society and the loss of freedom because of a very sinful and decadent propagandistic media which has become the corrupt engine of national destruction, is unprecendented in the United States.
The other party believes that each individual will account for his/her life time on this earth based on whether he/she has lived life through clamoring desires and envies or whether life has been lived in a way so as not to harm others. They desire that each individual have equal opportunity to choose to develop what God has placed within them and, they want to take care of the truly needy and not to confuse those people with the able-bodied scoundrels who rob our national treasury with the help of politicians who want those votes to solidify a powerful dictatorship in this country. The choice is mind-boggling clear for honest people who want to continue to pull together to solve real human problems and to keep a strong national security.
Has anyone ever seen such a charade in their lifetime as we see through the media arm of national politics? Who are the real people behind the actions of the AP? I would love to see biographies of every AP writer and photographer and to have those presented to the public for the next year. We need to know what kind of people lie behind those unfair and biased ideas and headlines.
In lifetime the choices have become clear for all to see.
Also this is the time for Christians to proclaim the good news of the Gospel of Jesus not only by voting for the right canidiate who will honor the Constitution, but also we must also begin to witness for the Gospel and bring the lost sheep home.
This comparison makes little sense. Obama, the sitting President of the United States, has taken tangible actions to destroy life, to destroy traditional marriage, and to destroy the economy. People are poorer today than they were four years ago, despair dominates.
Then a voter instead should worry and fret about something abstract, like someone's religious background?
Such a comparison does not pass the sanity check, which renders the entire article questionable and full of disconnects.
Christians, non-christians, atheists, Buddhists, Rotarians, Martians, Romulans, Klingons, and everybody else should vote for Romney.
Any Christian with half a brain knows Romney is the only viable choice for saving our nation in the physical realm. Obama has done more to destroy the American Dream intentionally than any other president in U.S. history. I could address and detail this specifically but it would be so long that it would take away the significance of what each damage each action has had, particularly when there are so many impeachable actions that would have been tolerated if the president had been of another race. Obama appears to be anti-American and is a hostile parasite that was implanted in the WH intentionally by radical elements. It is apparent he is trying to reduce America in stature intentionally and most likely under the control of foreign interests or he is really that inept.
Any Christian with half a brain knows Romney is the only viable choice for saving our nation in the physical realm. Obama has done more to destroy the American Dream intentionally than any other president in U.S. history. I could address and detail this specifically but it would be so long that it would take away the significance of what each damage each action has had, particularly when there are so many impeachable actions that would not have been tolerated if the president had been of another race. Obama appears to be anti-American and is a hostile parasite that was implanted in the WH intentionally by radical elements. It is apparent he is trying to reduce America in stature intentionally and most likely under the control of foreign interests or maybe he is really that inept.
let the dead bury the dead
our local group of church folk politicos ... we aren’t focused on anything more than a few state House seats.
Frankly, I wish both Obama and Romney could lose the election. But realistically, they are the two options, sadly. So we must vote wisely...
Frankly, I wish both Obama and Romney could lose the election. But realistically, they are the two options, sadly. So we must vote wisely...
You will stand before GOD one day... and you will have to explain your own actions in this election. Romney is liberal in the typical 20th Century meaning... obama is evil... does evil... believes in evil.
LLS
Psalm 40:4
Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
America and NATO are on the side of Satan in this matter.
...”Then a voter instead should worry and fret about something abstract, like someone’s religious background?
Such a comparison does not pass the sanity check, which renders the entire article questionable and full of disconnects. “...
I totally agree.
...”Then a voter instead should worry and fret about something abstract, like someone’s religious background?
Such a comparison does not pass the sanity check, which renders the entire article questionable and full of disconnects. “...
I totally agree.
The article makes little sense to one whose life is not guided by Christian principle, by the commands of The Christ, who is surrendered to Him.
Such a comparison does not pass the sanity check, which renders the entire article questionable and full of disconnects.
The thrust of the whole article is completely sensible and seamless to the spiritual man who thinks like Christ thinks; but sounds like the voice of a fool to the natural man, a child of disobedience, in whom the god of this has blinded the minds of them which believe not, and thus seems to be full of disconnects.
Suggestions:
(1) Read and think through the title of the article. It is of, by, and for Christians, not other.
(2) Read 1 Cor. 2:5,7,9,13,14,16
(3) Then Eph. 2:2-3
(4) Following that, 2 Cor. 4:3-6
(5) Cogitate on what you have said vs. what the Holy Ghost says about one's mindset and guiding master.
Respectfully --
This is a stupid argument. My vote represents me and what I believe. A vote for "other" is not a vote for Obama, no matter what people say.
This is utter tripe. If I decide that I can't vote for Obama (for obvious reasons) or Romney due to his forty-year history of supporting the holocaust of the unborn in this country, how is voting for someone who would uphold Christian principles 'in reality' a vote for anything but Christian principles?
If you will, this is the typical ABO 'vote libel'.
Maybe, but there much better ones.
My vote represents me and what I believe.
Which is letting Obama win.
A vote for "other" is not a vote for Obama, no matter what people say.
Here's a better argument:
It's not a vote against him either...no matter what you say.
I suspect many of the Christians having reservations about Romney out of a belief that Mormons place the Book of Mormon on the same level as scripture have never compared the differences between the Protestant bible, Catholic bible and Eastern Orthodox bible.
Actually Obama is punishment to America for multi-millions of murdered babies in AMerica.. and other crimes..
Did God do it?.. NAH!.. America did it to themselves..
Obviously most Christians are not Christians..
Else America would not be SODOM on steroids..
With most high on something.. mostly marijuana.. booze or something else..
The federal givernment is FUBAR as well as most State Givernments..
Wow--read minds much?
It's not a vote against him either...no matter what you say.
It is--pretty much by definition.
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................
Ya DON’T vote for the Muslim.
Ya DON’T divert a vote so that the Muslim wins.
Now, is that so hard?
It is in the sense that it will not help remove Obama from office. This race is clearly between Romney and Obama. There is no chance that anyone will even come close to winning the election so casting your vote for another candidate is like voting for Obama in that it will not remove him from office. He is depending on people like yourself not to vote for Romney.
Incorrect. We do not live in a democracy.
If a non-vote for Romney is a vote for Obama, then my non-vote for Obama must be a vote for Romney. With those cancelling each other out, I'm left to conclude that my non-vote is a non-vote.
I didn't even have to consider religion before deciding to leave the Presidential line blank (or vote for third-party candidate). I'm not voting for either liberal with their big-government solutions to problems. Because of their political records, I wouldn't vote for either man even if he made a sincere acceptance of Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.
How is it political cowardice to take a principled stand knowing that it will lead to ridicule and belittlement? You can disagree with the reasoning of those who won't vote for Romney but you call it cowardice.
This author presents a straw man argument with a false choice between radical liberal Barack Obama, and strong conservative Mitt Romney, who, except for being Mormon, would be acceptable to reasonable people.
I have never rejected Mitt Romney because he is Mormon. I know some who have that as one of the points against Romney, but they are not the majority.
I can't vote for Romney because I don't believe in his pro-life transformation, especially after he RECENTLY came out in favor of abortion in cases of "health" of the mother in ADDITION TO "life" of the mother. A headache is a "health" issue. Terminal cancer treatment is a "life" issue.
Nor do I like that he came out in April in favor of gay couples, and gay couples being able to adopt, and gay leaders able to guide Boy Scout troops, and gay citizens being able to openly practice in the military.
Nor did I support his statement that bi-partisan gun legislation is the kind of gun legislation he likes.
Now, I really don't like coming to this discussion any more. I do believe that I have both a very dangerous enemy and a lesser dangerous enemy. I am content to fire away at Obama and withhold fire from Romney until after the election. He, too, even though my enemy, is firing at my greater enemy, Barack Obama.
I'll renew my attacks on Romney after the election. However, he will not receive my vote. I will not vote for my enemy, any more than Churchill would have put Stalin on his personal staff, any more than Bush would have given command of US forces Afghanistan to Mullah Omar while Bush was concentrating on Saddam and Iraq.
If a soldier acts cowardly in battle, they know they will face ridicule and belittlement, but that does not magically make them brave, because they choose to face that.
It’s such a relief know God has a blind spot. :>)
I proudly support and will vote for Tom Hoefling, a pro-life conservative.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2942748/posts
Mittens, at best is “ehhh...”, but the alternative (and that includes those that live in Candyland with dreams of Virgil Goode or Gary Johnson or the Great Pumpkin winning the presidency), another Obama term will the the official end of the USA. Think CA on a national level.
“Same here. Funny thing is that people who were calling Romney a cultist or magical underwear worshiper 6 months ago are now calling anyone who doesn’t support Romney, a bigot.”
Now this, I’ve got to say, is a classic straw man argument. As a Bible-believing Christian, I have struggled with Romney’s Mormonism and I still believe he is a member of a cult. But I have made peace with the idea of voting for him as POTUS as the alternative for our country is horrifying.
But I don’t know one person (nor do I KNOW OF anyone) who was once accusing Romney of belonging to a cult and is now accusing people not supporting him of being a ‘bigot.’ Maybe they’re out there, but that’s a new one on me.
I respect someone not supporting him based on liberal policies and I respect people being reluctant for vote for him if they believe (like me) that Mormonism is a cult. I would just appeal to them (as I have to many in my church) that there is no other person on the planet that can get rid of ZERO except Romney.
So unless we are comfortable with 4 more years of this and where the country is headed under this present leadership, then it is our duty to vote for the only viable alternative — regardless of his many faults.
“Tell that to the people who call me a bigot when I’m not the one who has ever had any issues with Mormons. Besides, I’m not telling people they should or shouldn’t vote for Romney, I’m only saying they should be honest about it and what they’re getting. “
Okay fair enough — if you know people that have actually done this kind of 180 on Romney, I’ll take you at your word. My only point was I don’t believe this is a widespread sentiment among evangelicals. I just don’t see the ‘bigotry’ charge being leveled at those who refuse to vote for Romney, at least in my circle.
Those who would say that, in my opinion, are pretty ignorant anyway. There are several policy reasons to oppose him, and any critical thinking person should recognize that. I’m just saying that at the end of the say, ALL his many faults outweigh the horrifying scenario of another 4 years of the lawless Marxist.
ABC News scrambles to downplay Obama’s attendance at VP debate moderator’s wedding
Posted By Josh Peterson On 12:10 AM 10/10/2012 @ 12:10 AM In DC Exclusives,DC Exclusives - Original Reporting,Elections,Politics | No Comments
President Barack Obama was a guest at the 1991 wedding of ABC senior foreign correspondent and vice presidential debate moderator Martha Raddatz, The Daily Caller has learned. Obama and groom Julius Genachowski, whom Obama would later tap to head the Federal Communications Commission, were Harvard Law School classmates at the time and members of the Harvard Law Review.
After TheDC made preliminary inquiries Monday to confirm Obama’s attendance at the wedding, ABC leaked a pre-emptive statement to news outlets including Politico and The Daily Beast Tuesday, revealing what may have been internal network pressure felt just days before Raddatz was scheduled to moderate the one and only vice-presidential debate Thursday night....
You still have not explained why not voting is a cowardly act, let alone why it is of the worst sort. Just asserting that it is doesn't make it so.
Mormons have the same concept of right and wrong as Christians and Jews. Liberals-socialists-communists-Marxists believe that the end justifies the means.
I don't think that cripplecreek needs a character reference but I'll add if you are familiar with the discussions on Mormonism in the religion forum over past couple of years, there is a very clear example there.
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