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Voters say Ryan will stomp Biden
washtimes ^ | 10/10/12 | s. dinan

Posted on 10/10/2012 5:13:32 AM PDT by bestintxas

Edited on 10/10/2012 5:16:32 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

If voters are right, Paul Ryan will easily out-debate Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Thursday.

The latest The Washington Times/Zogby Poll, released Monday, found 46 percent of voters think Mr. Ryan, Wisconsin Republican and a master of budget details, will overwhelm Mr. Biden. Only 30 percent thought "Sheriff Joe" would triumph.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; 2012polls; biden
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Popcorn, anyone?
1 posted on 10/10/2012 5:13:34 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

I didn’t even realize Zogby still polled


2 posted on 10/10/2012 5:14:58 AM PDT by goodolemr
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To: bestintxas
"Frankly, I would have expected the other way around," said pollster [and arabist] John Zogby.

Who's surprised that Zogby is surprised? These people live in a self-inflicted bubble.

Gonna have popcorn and beer for Thurs. nite. Should be good!

3 posted on 10/10/2012 5:16:40 AM PDT by sauropod (Only two of God's creatures can employ the term "we": newspaper editors and men with tapeworms-Hayes)
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To: bestintxas

Biden is a tougher more experienced politician than Obama. After all, he’s been in DC for 40 years.


4 posted on 10/10/2012 5:16:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

“Biden is a tougher more experienced politician than Obama. After all, he’s been in DC for 40 years.”

Uh, you could have said the same about McCain and Obama, couldn’t you?


5 posted on 10/10/2012 5:19:45 AM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot, thankfully.)
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To: bestintxas
( * Voters say Ryan will stomp Biden * )

Ryzilla
6 posted on 10/10/2012 5:22:20 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: bestintxas
I like Ryan and I think he's about the sharpest knife in the drawer on budget issues, etc.

However, I don't like his ‘delivery’. He's not a smooth speaker, though personally, THAT kind of thing doesn't matter to me as much as substance.

What I am saying is the MSM will of course make more out of Ryan's style than what he has to say.... which is typical for Liberals. Style is everything in the world to them... though the speaker could be dumb as dirt! Just look at THEIR choices for President and Vice President currently and taken altogether over the past decades.

7 posted on 10/10/2012 5:22:58 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: bestintxas

Nobody asked about McCain.


8 posted on 10/10/2012 5:23:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: bestintxas

Not only are polls fraudulent, they pick the most inane questions to poll.


9 posted on 10/10/2012 5:26:07 AM PDT by DManA
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To: bestintxas

I have mine!!


10 posted on 10/10/2012 5:29:09 AM PDT by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: bestintxas

Got the popcorn maker last Friday, and the tub of coconut oil arrives today.

I’ll be ready.


11 posted on 10/10/2012 5:29:34 AM PDT by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: cripplecreek

“Nobody asked about McCain.”

I think his point was that a more experienced politician is more capable.

Offered up an example that showed this is not always the case.

Why are you so upset then?


12 posted on 10/10/2012 5:29:54 AM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot, thankfully.)
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To: bestintxas
That zombie is surprised that a lot more people think Ryan will kick the Gaffe-ometer’s” ash shows how out of touch these people in the media are.
13 posted on 10/10/2012 5:31:02 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: bestintxas

Don’t underestimate Biden as a debater. He is a slippery character who can tell bald faced lies with passion and conviction.

I think Ryan will do fine, and might crush Biden, but beware of slow Joe.

Worst case scenerio is the debate is a draw, in which case Ryan does no harm.

MSM will spin a Biden victory, but people will know what they saw regardless.


14 posted on 10/10/2012 5:35:13 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: RandallFlagg; bestintxas

Bacon & Bacon/Cheddar Popcorn!

http://store.baconsalt.com/All-Products_c_33.html


15 posted on 10/10/2012 5:36:30 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Libs, dems, unions, leftist scum & murderous muzzies - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: bestintxas

Imagine relying on Joe Biden to save your bacon?

We’ll see!


16 posted on 10/10/2012 5:38:25 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Loves To Spend My $$$$$$$$$$$$)
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To: bestintxas

Will people even tune in? I hope they do. It’s one thing to know that Ryan will win, it’s another thing to actually watch him make a fool of Biden.


17 posted on 10/10/2012 5:39:03 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: bestintxas

As somebody mentioned on another thread, I think there’s an excellent chance that Biden will know the questions beforehand. As I understand, the questions are selected beforehand from audience submissions. I expect a very scripted responses from Biden, with sharp attacks on Romney. The media will try to spin it that Ole Joe changed the narrative and put the O campaign back on track. To bet a better outcome, Ryan will need to mess with Biden and put the focus on O’s failures.


18 posted on 10/10/2012 5:39:40 AM PDT by vekzen
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To: bestintxas

Paul Ryan will easily out-debate Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

If you ask me this is all part of their plan. They are trying to lower the expectations for Biden while raising the expectations for Ryan. Now anything even close to a draw will be construed as a major win for the Obama Biden campaign.


19 posted on 10/10/2012 5:39:55 AM PDT by BobinIL
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To: Col Frank Slade
Ryan would do well to slow his delivery a wee bit.
Romney got the Gipper’s “sunny disposition” while clobbering his opponent down pat last week. Ryan could learn from this.
20 posted on 10/10/2012 5:41:32 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Col Frank Slade
Don’t underestimate Biden as a debater. He is a slippery character who can tell bald faced lies with passion and conviction.

True. And the media won't fact-check him. He used this technique effectively against Sarah.

But Ryan will refute every lie. And who will people believe this time?

21 posted on 10/10/2012 5:41:51 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: bestintxas

The bar is being set as low as possible for Biden. Anything short of tripping and smacking his head on the podium will be considered a wild success. (Is it mean to say I LOVE that mental image??)


22 posted on 10/10/2012 5:42:38 AM PDT by PLK
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To: bestintxas

The bar is being set as low as possible for Biden. Anything short of tripping and smacking his head on the podium will be considered a wild success. (Is it mean to say I LOVE that mental image??)


23 posted on 10/10/2012 5:42:43 AM PDT by PLK
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To: bestintxas
Why are you so upset then?

I'm not upset, I simply offered an opinion that Biden will be a tougher opponent than Obama. You're the one playing democrat and throwing out strawmen.
24 posted on 10/10/2012 5:44:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: RandallFlagg
Be careful as you could choke eating popcorn while laughing. I'm looking forward to this more than I anticipated "Airplane 2". Hope Ryan has a good sense of humor as I expect comedy gold from Biden.
25 posted on 10/10/2012 5:49:47 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: bestintxas
Uh, you could have said the same about McCain and Obama, couldn’t you?

Well, if 40 years in Washington made Biden any smarter, he would have been the Democratic nominee in 2008, wouldn't he? And Obama his veep? But Paslin wasted him in their debate, didn't she?

Trouble is, Biden was not in Washington on the basis of his mental abilities, he was there at the pleasure of the people of Delaware. Doesn't that tell you something about the intelligence of the people of Delaware?

26 posted on 10/10/2012 5:54:12 AM PDT by imardmd1
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To: imardmd1
Trouble is, Biden was not in Washington on the basis of his mental abilities, he was there at the pleasure of the people of Delaware. Doesn't that tell you something about the intelligence of the people of Delaware?

One minor correction--it's not "the people of Delaware", it's the "people of NORTHERN Delaware".

We in southern Delaware cannot stand the man. The northern half of the state is blue, the bottom is red. Unfortunately, they outnumber us up north.

27 posted on 10/10/2012 5:58:35 AM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: bestintxas
Barack Obama was a guest at the 1991 wedding of ABC senior foreign correspondent and vice presidential debate moderator Martha Raddatz.

This "debate" will be the Martha and Joe Show versus Paul Ryan.

28 posted on 10/10/2012 5:59:13 AM PDT by radioone ( Main Stream Media. The Government built that.)
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To: bestintxas
Only 30 percent thought "Sheriff Joe" would triumph.

"Sheriff Joe"? They've GOT to be kidding!!

29 posted on 10/10/2012 5:59:17 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (I'm no racist!! I just hate white folks!!! - BHO 2007)
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To: All

This not good news, but i am still optimistic. It will come down to how well Ryan can negate Biden’s smoothly and confidently delivered lies. He must do so agressively.


30 posted on 10/10/2012 6:02:10 AM PDT by PAR
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To: bestintxas

I don’t think I’ll watch but I look forward to the commentary. I simply cannot stand to listen to Blowhard Joe when he gets rolling with that lying, arrogant condescension he’s so good at, and I know he’s going to unload a truckful of it onto Ryan tomorrow.


31 posted on 10/10/2012 6:03:42 AM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: bestintxas

Seems to me Biden has two options.
Either, get angry and lie a lot. The media reports he is passionate and cares about the “middle class”.
Or, act extremely magnanimous and lie a lot. Then media can say what a good guy ol’ Joe is.


32 posted on 10/10/2012 6:04:42 AM PDT by Leep (Forward! to serfdom)
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To: bestintxas
I think Ryan will win, my only real concern is his lack of debate experience at that level. Remember Biden ran for president on the democrat ticket in both 1988 and 2008 and participated in many debates (not to mention the VP debate with Palin).

However, regardless of what happens, the fact of the matter is the VP debates have virtually no impact on the race...(Lloyd Benson destroyed Dan Quayle in the 1988 debate in a drubbing that might have been worse than Romney/Obama and Bush still went on to win in a landslide)

33 posted on 10/10/2012 6:06:57 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Col Frank Slade

“Don’t underestimate Biden as a debater. He is a slippery character who can tell bald faced lies with passion and conviction.”

I agree. Ever since his debate 4 years ago, I have said that ‘he lies with such conviction’. And I mean he can fabricate a story out of thin air, and passionatley talk about it, with confidence. He will not stutter and stammer like Obama...he knows there is very little penalty for saying something false or incorrect, only a penalty for not looking sure of himself. If you think about it, he has to lie to himself every day, when he looks in the morror...and tell himself he’s not a punchline in a bad joke.

He’s good at it. But I am very impressed with Ryan. He should be well prepared. And, frankly, the ‘optics’ of Joe Biden aren’t that good these days. After 90 minutes, his makeup is going to make him look like a cadaver...and he’s got the ‘crazy eyes’.


34 posted on 10/10/2012 6:23:34 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: exit82
We in southern Delaware cannot stand the man. The northern half of the state is blue, the bottom is red. Unfortunately, they outnumber us up north.

You may have something there -- Joe could get home for supper on the commuter train -- it's only 100 miles to Wilmington.

But in Southern Delaware he could have gotten there sooner, and have fried chicken and oysters with baked pineapple dessert. (I got the baked pineapple recipe from a lady in Felton, and won the "Teddy Crocker" men's dessert cookery competition at church with it. Yum.)

Now, that would have been smarter.

35 posted on 10/10/2012 6:27:12 AM PDT by imardmd1
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To: exit82

Anyone get to the bottom of Joe’s college football career?

He said he played college ball but it was flag football. Didn’t he say he played against Ohio State??


36 posted on 10/10/2012 6:28:51 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: bestintxas
Ryan has the truth behind him and joe has lies.

LLS

37 posted on 10/10/2012 6:30:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("If it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Only 30 percent thought "Sheriff Joe" would triumph.

"Sheriff Joe"? They've GOT to be kidding!!

I've been calling him "Clueless Joe." ("Say it ain't so, Joe!")

38 posted on 10/10/2012 6:30:34 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Col Frank Slade

Biden may surprise; he might already know the questions whereas Ryan will have to come up with answers. I am still confident in Ryan, but don’t underestimate the opponent. Plugs can be slick. Just look at how long he’s been a politician.


39 posted on 10/10/2012 6:31:57 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: imardmd1

See, you know southern Delaware!

It’s the most northern part of the South, bounded on two sides by the Mason-Dixon line.


40 posted on 10/10/2012 6:37:41 AM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: TigerClaws

TC, I think someone recently posted info about Joe’s football exploits.

Joe almost got bounced from Law school because he was caught plagiarizing. So, the fail with Joe has been from a young age, and strong.


41 posted on 10/10/2012 6:40:12 AM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: Col Frank Slade
He is a slippery character who can tell bald faced lies with passion and conviction.

You are right about spray tan Joe. That's why he fits so well in the obama administration in spite of his gaffs. Ryan just needs to get his facts on point and hammer him with the truth. I would relish seeing spray tan go down in flames.

42 posted on 10/10/2012 6:50:00 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: exit82

I hope that sheriff joe’s depends slips and he pisses down his tingly leg and it runs down to the end of the stage.


43 posted on 10/10/2012 6:54:16 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: cripplecreek

“I’m not upset, I simply offered an opinion that Biden will be a tougher opponent than Obama. You’re the one playing democrat and throwing out strawmen”

Nope, I simply did not agree totally on your inference that a more seasoned politician does a better job.

Don’t know where you come off on trying to throw me into a Democrat category.


44 posted on 10/10/2012 6:59:46 AM PDT by bestintxas (Somewhere in Kenya, a Village is missing its Idiot, thankfully.)
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To: bestintxas

Did anyone here not see the healthcare debate on C-Span? Paul Ryan ran circles around every politician in there. He was the only one who knew, by heart, what was in that thing. Same will happen in this debate. Biden will throw cliches and slogans and smears at him, Ryan will throw numbers back and win with truth.


45 posted on 10/10/2012 7:01:43 AM PDT by Durbin
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To: vekzen

Check Daily Caller today. New story claims that Bam went to Radditz’s wedding in ‘91. Outrageous that she wouldn’t be recused and replaced.


46 posted on 10/10/2012 7:03:17 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: bestintxas

47 posted on 10/10/2012 7:07:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: workerbee
[Biden] rolling with that lying, arrogant condescension he’s so good at, and I know he’s going to unload a truckful of it onto Ryan tomorrow.

The arrogant condescension is so awful that it's really nasty. I hope Biden looks like a desperate, nasty old man .... and I pray Ryan keeps his head, stays respectful, and does what Romney did last week - dazzles with facts. It will be a stark contrast to Biden's baffling with bullsh*t.

48 posted on 10/10/2012 7:21:38 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: bestintxas

This will be like Brock Lesnar fighting Peewee Herman in a cagefight. Will be hilarious.


49 posted on 10/10/2012 7:23:30 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some days...it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps....)
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To: toolman1401

Biden’s career goes back way before his 4 years as Obama’s VP. His stint with Obama has hurt his reputation. To avoid more damage to his legacy he might find himself unable to support some of Obama’s ideas in the debate, causing him to embarrass Obama to avoid further humiliating himself.


50 posted on 10/10/2012 7:39:03 AM PDT by cymbeline
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