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MSNBC panel -- Ryan will lie but Biden will shine in VP debate
Fox News ^ | October 08, 2012 | Dan Gainor

Posted on 10/10/2012 12:16:43 PM PDT by Red Steel

Edited on 10/10/2012 12:22:35 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

MSNBC is so focused on building false narratives they should hand out hard hats to their on-air staff. This time it was the gang of unknowns on Melissa Harris-PerryĎs Sunday show depicting Vice President Joe Biden as a statesmen and GOP veep hopeful Paul Ryan as a liar.


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TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debates2012; elections; melissaharrisperry; msnbc; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; paulryan
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To: DBrow

>>...and now Ryan is a liar too.<<

Yes, but not just now. The initial attack on Ryan was to portray him as a liar. This happened almost immediately after Romney picked him, and that portrayal has been spread to all Dems and many Independents, especially in swing states, via commercials, and the equivalent of Dem commercials, MSNBC et al.

Serious question: In a debate, how do you counter the viewer’s opinion going in that you are a liar, that what you say can’t be trusted? I don’t have a good answer to that.

Romney had been portrayed as an ogre, wife-killer, aloof, etc., and all he had to do is show up and be reasonable and, as I believe it was Krauthammer said, poof $150 million in negative ads went up in smoke.

But showing up won’t overcome the liar portrayal, and I’m not sure what will. Yet it’s important to overcome it effectively since, as you pointed out, that’s what they’re trying to hang on Romney now too.

Ironically, it’s the Dems who are usually caught doing the out and out lying, as with the recent Libyan fiasco, but you don’t lose the liar label just by calling the other guy a liar instead.

So, thoughts on how Ryan should address this problem?


21 posted on 10/10/2012 1:03:19 PM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Red Steel

These people have no clue.

It just isn’t possible to buff up a shine on a cow patty.


22 posted on 10/10/2012 1:29:24 PM PDT by moovova (Obama was Swiftboated...er... Big-Birded by Romney.)
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To: Red Steel

In other words, we rigged it. They clearly underestimate Ryans ability to steer conversation. I find it funny that MSNBC has predetermined their story line, soooo predictable.


23 posted on 10/10/2012 1:40:09 PM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: Red Steel

What crap. They have nothing to stand on so they stand back like little school children taunting Liar, liar, pants on fire! And idiots soak it up.


24 posted on 10/10/2012 1:40:53 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Red Steel

All I see is “Romney lies.” Lies about what?
This is all they got?

Now Ryan is going to lie. Pathetic. Ain’t going to work.


25 posted on 10/10/2012 1:47:46 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Slow Joe’s gonna come out like a supercomputer.

Welcome to the debates. Vice president Biden, can you name some pyramid sites on the Nile?

“Uh..Dasher, Elf Shit..”


26 posted on 10/10/2012 1:58:59 PM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: Red Steel

Biden is just your typical, mealy-mouthed, pandering, full of baloney Dem pol. He might sound intelligent at Berkeley faculty meetings or selfish, greedy, me-first grievance-mongering, political factions, but he’s nothing more than another Dem hack who’s been in office far too long.


27 posted on 10/10/2012 2:00:55 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: papertyger

. . . . “ to keep them in business -

Actually, it’s stimulus money that keeps them in business at the moment. We. Our kids and grandkids


28 posted on 10/10/2012 2:16:08 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: Rinnwald

Two prediction for tomorrow:

1.) At 6:53 AM ET, the sun will rise over Boston.
2.) Beginning at 9:00 PM and running until 10:30 PM ET, Paul Ryan will beat Joe Biden like a rented mule.


29 posted on 10/10/2012 3:52:02 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Kafka in the throes of a demonic possession could not have come up with the "tuck rule".)
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To: shadeaud

He’ll probably have a car horn in the background that will blow to alert him when he is about to go too far.


30 posted on 10/10/2012 4:01:16 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Norseman

Don’t know for sure. I’d be inclined to quote things that can easily be looked up, and challenge claims of lying by showing sources later.

The problem is that Romney and Ryan are speaking a different reality from the one many liberals live in, so it will be easy to morph that into claims of untruthfulness.


31 posted on 10/10/2012 7:58:12 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: shadeaud

I think he’s going to go after Ryan on the abortion issue. And they are going to let him make a fool of himself.


32 posted on 10/11/2012 12:26:23 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

lets hope they are equally correct now. However that still doesn’t mean we should get cocky


33 posted on 10/11/2012 12:31:03 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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