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Evidence of Armstrong doping 'overwhelming,' agency says
CNN ^ | 10-10-2012 | Michael Pearson

Posted on 10/10/2012 1:39:35 PM PDT by servo1969

Cyclist Lance Armstrong was part of "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen," the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency said Wednesday in preparing to release more than 1,000 pages of evidence in the case.

The evidence involving the U.S. Postal Service-sponsored cycling team encompasses "direct documentary evidence including financial payments, e-mails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance-enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong," the agency said.

Armstrong lawyer Tim Herman dismissed what he called a "one-sided hatchet job" and a "government-funded witch hunt" against the seven-time Tour de France winner, who has consistently denied doping accusations.

But the USADA said 11 riders had come forward to acknowledge their use of banned performance-enhancing drugs while on the team. Among them are George Hincapie, Armstrong's teammate during his winning Tour de France runs.

"Early in my professional career, it became clear to me that, given the widespread use of performance-enhancing drugs by cyclists at the top of the profession, it was not possible to compete at the highest level without them," Hincapie said in a written statement. "I deeply regret that choice and sincerely apologize to my family, teammates and fans."

Three members of the Postal Service team will contest the accusations, the agency said. They are team director Johan Bruyneel, team doctor Pedro Celaya and Jose "Pepe" Marti, the team trainer. Each will get a hearing before an independent judge, according to the agency.

The agency compiled the evidence as part of its investigation into doping allegations that have dogged Armstrong and the Postal Service team for years. The organization is not a governmental agency but is designated by Congress as the country's official anti-doping organization for Olympic sports.

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KEYWORDS: armstrong; doping; lance; tyranny
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I have no idea if Armstrong is guilty or not. I don't keep up with cycling. But, I will submit a question- Ignoring the fact that it breaks the rules, IF everyone at the top IS doping doesn't that mean that Armstrong was still the best? If they're all enhanced then he was the best performer while enhanced, right? Not that it really matters. If it was against the rules then it's still cheating.
1 posted on 10/10/2012 1:39:40 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

What about Eddy Merckx?


2 posted on 10/10/2012 1:44:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: servo1969

I was thinking the same thing. If they all are doing it the he was still the best. If true such a disappointment.


3 posted on 10/10/2012 1:45:02 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: servo1969
"Pedro! Pepe! To the beach!"

Sorry if no one gets the reference. When I see the names Pedro and Pepe, I can't help it...

4 posted on 10/10/2012 1:47:53 PM PDT by stormer
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To: servo1969

Armstrong is an a-hole and may have doped, but how did he manage to never have a positive test?


5 posted on 10/10/2012 1:48:37 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: servo1969

did he actually fail a drug test?


6 posted on 10/10/2012 1:49:45 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: servo1969

Evidence of White House Cover-up in Bengazhi debacle ‘overwhelming’

There, fixed it

Don’t suppose anyone will cover that though


7 posted on 10/10/2012 1:54:58 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: stormer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gmTRvGW8PM


8 posted on 10/10/2012 1:57:27 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: servo1969
But the USADA said 11 riders had come forward

More likely they were called into the questioning room, given an offer they couldn't refuse, and told they would be let off if they agreed to stick it to Armstrong.

I am still very suspicious of the jerk who runs this outfit.

9 posted on 10/10/2012 2:02:12 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: stormer

who is that? I love her


10 posted on 10/10/2012 2:02:57 PM PDT by Mr. K ("The only thing the World would hate more than the USA in charge is the USA NOT in charge")
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To: servo1969
"Tell a lie loud enough and often enough and lots of folk will begin to believe it."

The judgement is based on the word of serial perjurers. No chemical evidence exists and further, the statute of limitations has passed (eight years). There is also the question of domain. This agency has stuck it's nose where it has no charter to do so.

Importantly, it appears to be a tobacco vendetta as the organization perpetrating this outrage is funded by a person important in the pro tobacco milieu. Armstrong has been working on behalf of others on the other side of that situation.

There is combined with this, a slander against the entire U.S. Postal team of which Lance was team member.

Sorry I could not be more specific as to names and facts.

11 posted on 10/10/2012 2:05:04 PM PDT by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: wiseprince

The people who care already know...


12 posted on 10/10/2012 2:08:04 PM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: servo1969

He’s our hero, this is government, so it can’t be true!

(Oh and “it’s” means “it is”. Illiteracy undermines credibility, I’m afraid.)


13 posted on 10/10/2012 2:08:24 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: stormer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjUpv8tkvKM&feature=related


14 posted on 10/10/2012 2:10:19 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeaHawkFan

How do you figure him to be an a-hole? Do you know him personally?


15 posted on 10/10/2012 2:10:51 PM PDT by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: stormer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIRx7Os5Lx4&feature=related


16 posted on 10/10/2012 2:13:55 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Banjoguy
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency

This is a fraudulent, rump organization whose sole founding purpose was to get government funds. I don't know what Armstrong did, or didn't do. Any rational man can see that what they are doing to him however, amounts to a weird combination of "Double Jeopardy," and a "Bill of Attainder."

17 posted on 10/10/2012 2:20:42 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama = Allende.)
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To: servo1969

Verdict of the cycling community is that Armstrong doped. There are only a few die-hard Armstrong fans who are holding out. Here’s a link to the Doping forum at one of the main cycling websites: http://forums.roadbikereview.com/doping-forum/
More discussion and details than most non-cycling obsessed people will want to read, but it is enlightening.

Anyone who was competitive during the Armstrong era doped. They got very good at cheating the tests. Some top cyclists (Andy Hampsten for one) decided to quit the game rather than dope, but they seem to be very few.


18 posted on 10/10/2012 2:25:41 PM PDT by FreedomForce (Lesser Evil 2012)
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To: Paladin2

Merckx - a great athlete


19 posted on 10/10/2012 2:27:26 PM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: servo1969

eight years
no positive drug tests, not one
and these “members of the team” (LMAO) say it isn’t true

...they are team director Johan Bruyneel, team doctor Pedro Celaya and Jose “Pepe” Marti, the team trainer.

If they couldn’t make a case within 24 months, they should have found something else to waste their time on.

I can’t help but think of Jim Thorpe as this B. S. investigation chugs along...


20 posted on 10/10/2012 2:27:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama got Mitch-Slapped in that first debate. 70% to 19% (Gallop)? That's going to leave a mark.)
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To: Mr. K

Ava Gardner in The Night of the Iguana.


21 posted on 10/10/2012 2:28:57 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Banjoguy

Anyone who cheats on his wife is an a- hole.


22 posted on 10/10/2012 2:29:27 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: GeronL

“did he actually fail a drug test?”

Not that I’ve ever heard of.


23 posted on 10/10/2012 2:30:54 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

It’s my understanding his wife got tired of being married to a guy who rode around on a bicycle all day and told him to get lost.


24 posted on 10/10/2012 2:32:08 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: servo1969
"the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen,"

Any information given on whether or not Hincapie and the "others" may have been granted immunity from scrutiny and stripped of all their medals and winnings if they testified against Armstrong?

As a side note, if their's and Armstrong's doping was part of "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen,", then how and why did Landis get busted if he was part of this super drugging scheme?

Inquiring minds want to know

As a post script, nothing remains a secret in the world of professional sports, especially "the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen,". If Armstrong and his team were utilizing this super secret formula it's a given that all the other top riders in the world were using it also. That's just the nature of professional cyclists..........

Armstrong IS the greatest cyclist ever and has done more for testicular cancer awareness and the other foundations he supports than any other athlete has.........

This is indeed a witch hunt being conducted by an agency funded by the federal government and totally independent of the World Cycling Federation so their motivation into this attempt to take down Lance Armstrong has to be brought into question......

Not surprising, they have given a pass to all the other top cyclists from the other countries

25 posted on 10/10/2012 2:39:54 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: Paladin2

I love that movie - Burton’s finest, I think. Over the years I’ve spent time down in Mismaloya - it’s so developed now I don’t go back, but it was one of the most beautiful places in Mexico. There was a little cantina right on the beach, and when the tide came in they’d just move the tables and chairs up higher. Drinking beers that cost 12 cents a bottle with the water lapping at your feet... ah....


26 posted on 10/10/2012 2:44:20 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Hot Tabasco
World Cycling Federation

Correction, that should be the International Cycling Union....(UCI)

27 posted on 10/10/2012 2:47:05 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab him with a harpoon.....)
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To: servo1969

Lance Armstrong was a doper, but so was the guy in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, ....

To take away his titles and give them to some other doper seems silly.


28 posted on 10/10/2012 2:47:17 PM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Your tattoo looks stupid.)
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To: servo1969

Call me credulous but, considering that Armstrong was tested for drugs more than any other athlete in history, I find it easier to believe that he is the victim of a witch hunt than that he did anything wrong.


29 posted on 10/10/2012 2:47:24 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

They should leave the title vacant for those years.


30 posted on 10/10/2012 2:51:45 PM PDT by FreedomForce (Lesser Evil 2012)
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To: servo1969

Gee, glad the US post office is still not supporting the US racing team.

How dumb was that?


31 posted on 10/10/2012 2:54:55 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Kenny Bunk

You said it a lot better than I could.


32 posted on 10/10/2012 2:59:35 PM PDT by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: stormer

Night of the Iguana. The only Richard Burton film I could ever stomach.


33 posted on 10/10/2012 3:03:22 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: Banjoguy

Anyone who leaves their kids and the wife who helped him through his cancer for Sheryl Crowe, is an a**hole!


34 posted on 10/10/2012 3:04:58 PM PDT by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: servo1969

Three important issues of our times:

Did Lance Armstrong use dope?

Should the shiny side of aluminum foil go to the inside or outside?

Do you want extra fries with that?


35 posted on 10/10/2012 3:14:03 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: IslamE

Oh.


36 posted on 10/10/2012 3:15:11 PM PDT by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: servo1969

I don’t care what they say. Lance Armstrong is still the best cyclist in history.


37 posted on 10/10/2012 3:16:29 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: IslamE
Cancer treatment preceded the marriage.

"Kristin: Marriage problems were "brought on gradually by a number of pressures, rather than one big blow-up. We've been together 4 1/2 years, and we've had six homes, three languages, three countries, one cancer comeback, three children, four Tour de France wins and one rise to celebrity. You're not supposed to cram such a huge amount of events into such a small period of time." 2/2003.

Lance: "The craziest thing is, we're [Lance and Kristin] closer now and better friends than ever before. We're truly committed to maintaining a good relationship, but not a marriage." 9/2003

38 posted on 10/10/2012 3:21:19 PM PDT by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Landis was not on Armstrong’s team when he got busted.


39 posted on 10/10/2012 3:22:18 PM PDT by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: servo1969

IMHO, this is a railroad job from the CEO of US-ADA. Lance must have really pissed someone off to get kangaroo-ed. But yet, there was no positive test on him. Either the CEO put out or shut his mouth....


40 posted on 10/10/2012 3:25:44 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: servo1969
They really want this guy bad, don't they.

All for the sport, of course.

41 posted on 10/10/2012 3:25:56 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Teach a man to fish and you lose a Democratic voter.)
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To: servo1969
Good.

Now maybe the USPS can exit the advertising venue.

I never figured out why government agencies and protected monopolies like utilities had any need to advertise or sponsor anything for any reason.

42 posted on 10/10/2012 3:37:30 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Banjoguy

They bring kids into the world and then say “uh, were tired of each other, let’s breakup”, well, they’re both selfish a**holes, divorce is an excuse, and frankly, I’m sick of it, it’s effectively destroyed the institution of marriage, along with the gayyyyyyyyyyyyyys!


43 posted on 10/10/2012 3:42:18 PM PDT by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: servo1969
Another good point.

Now, we might have a few less of those Spandex-clad potential roadkill groupies keeping me from getting where I need to go on a ROAD - designed for AUTOMOBILES - theoretically paid for by GASOLINE TAXES.

44 posted on 10/10/2012 3:44:08 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: servo1969

Supposedly Armstrong has had over 500 drug test during his cycling career. For them not to find positives along the way is amazing to say the least if one is to believe the charges that he doped.

Armstrong has been said to have much greater lung capacity than most other riders and thus the ability to go farther before the lactic acid build up caused him to hit the wall. That supposedly is one of the main traits that allowed him to dominate as he did.

Drugs, who knows? He says no and they haven’t produced test to show otherwise.


45 posted on 10/10/2012 3:44:44 PM PDT by deport
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To: servo1969

I don’t like the man, but this is nuts.


46 posted on 10/10/2012 3:49:17 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: FreedomForce

I looked at one poll on that cycling site, it’s 160-10 saying he doped.

Freegards


47 posted on 10/10/2012 3:49:54 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Cyman

“Anne of the Thousand Days”. He was quite good in it. I happened to come across it again last week, and although I have never had much respect for his career or him personally, imho, that holds up.


48 posted on 10/10/2012 3:53:38 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: deport

The dope makers, and therefore the takers, are usually years ahead of the testers. That’s why so many titles and medals get stripped years later. There are Olympic events from 20 years ago that no longer have a full slate of winners because so many test failed years later. In general if the sport is cycling or track assume they’re on dope until 20 years later.


49 posted on 10/10/2012 3:57:03 PM PDT by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: servo1969

” U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks wrote, “USADA’s conduct raises serious questions about whether its real interest in charging Armstrong is to combat doping, or if it is acting according to less noble motives.”[11] Tygart was previously involved in the investigation of Floyd Landis.[3]”


50 posted on 10/10/2012 4:13:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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