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Rand Paul: Romney's wrong on Middle East, defense spending
CNN ^ | October 10, 2012 | Senator Rand Paul

Posted on 10/10/2012 2:39:57 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

This week, I will campaign for Gov. Mitt Romney. I believe this election will and should be about moving America back from the edge of the abyss on which we stand, where our debt and spending threaten to overwhelm and drown us. Romney's belief in free markets, limited government and trade make him the clear choice to lead our country come January.

I do not, however, support a call for intervention in Syria. And, if such intervention were being contemplated, it is absolutely necessary that Congress give any such authority to the president. No president, Republican or Democrat, has the unilateral power to take our nation to war without the authority of the legislature.

At times, I have been encouraged by Romney's foreign policy. I agree with his call to end the war in Afghanistan sooner rather than later and with his skepticism of, and call for reform in, foreign aid, but I am a bit dismayed by his foreign policy speech Monday, titled "Mantle of Leadership."

Sen. Rand PaulRomney chose to criticize President Obama for seeking to cut a bloated Defense Department and for not being bellicose enough in the Middle East, two assertions with which I cannot agree.

Defense and war spending has grown 137% since 2001. That kind of growth is not sustainable...

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Good for Rand Paul. It's nice to see some rare reason applied to foreign policy from a politician.
1 posted on 10/10/2012 2:40:03 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I read that and thought UT OH, RP is going to be chewed up and spit out, oh and he sounds more like his dad by the minute.


2 posted on 10/10/2012 2:42:52 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: All

Rand hints that he is as nutty has his Dad.

Peace through Strength always works.


3 posted on 10/10/2012 2:43:39 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Either Rand doesn’t own a calendar or he has been over to his daddy’s house for some anti-American. Right now, is not the time to start trying to get Obama reelected. It’s just too important that Obama not have 4 more years and appoint several Justices.

If Rand has any interest in debating this he should have either taken it up before Romney’s nomination or bring it up after the election.


4 posted on 10/10/2012 2:44:30 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: rbmillerjr

If we keep spending and intervening, we wont have any strength left or peace in a generation. There comes a time when the best course is to husband national strength for the long haul. Eisenhower saw this coming.


5 posted on 10/10/2012 2:47:10 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

first this is not the time to start this crap with an election so near and secondly I hope Rand is not going to go the same nutty way as his father and this is just a blip.


6 posted on 10/10/2012 2:47:12 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I feared that that Paul would eventually start to show a family nutcase heritage.


7 posted on 10/10/2012 2:47:53 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Starting to sound like his looney old man in some ways though.


8 posted on 10/10/2012 2:48:45 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Rand, ike Ron, is from the “If we eave them aone, they wil leave us alone” school of thought. The naivete regarding radical Islam and communism is breathtaking.


9 posted on 10/10/2012 2:51:03 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Agreed. If the USA intervened in Syria - do we even know whose side we would be on? Assad is looking better every day compared to Egypt and especially Libya. Let Syria fight Turkey fight Iran fight Saudi Arabia.

If the USA declines, it is because we are our Government and the Federal Reserve are bankrupting the citizens, and debasing our currency.


10 posted on 10/10/2012 2:51:04 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Yea, I can see your point of view, weaken the military during these ever so peaceful times.
I mean who needs a strong military anyway.
The federal government has very few actual responsibilities......a weak military is not one of them.
Yep, sounds just like the old man.


11 posted on 10/10/2012 2:51:18 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The military is stronger after you use it, not weaker. Combat trained troops eat through peacetime barracks brigades. An unused military is cut back while a highly utilized military gets new weapons.


12 posted on 10/10/2012 2:56:20 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
If we keep spending and intervening, we wont have any strength left or peace

And peace will come by leaving the terrorists on their own to plot against us at their leisure?

I really don't understand that argument.

13 posted on 10/10/2012 2:56:24 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Romney's belief in free markets, limited government and trade make him the clear choice to lead our country come January.

I agree.

I do not, however, support a call for intervention in Syria.

I'm with Rand maybe 60%. Open intervention is not called for. Under-the-table intervening in Syria just to put Muslim Brotherhood or some Al Qaeda proxy in the palace is a mistake.

No president, Republican or Democrat, has the unilateral power to take our nation to war without the authority of the legislature.

I agree. In any case, open intervention is a mistake.

14 posted on 10/10/2012 2:58:39 PM PDT by marron
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Whatever mid east disagreements I fear I have with Sen. Paul, he is right as rain in warning not to get involved in Syria’s civil war. It will backfire on us as bad or worse than it has in Libya.


15 posted on 10/10/2012 3:00:16 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: jwalsh07
Te more we leave them alone, the more they will attend to the centuries old life and death issues that they have among themselves.

If one is worried about being stung, the best move is to quit poking at the hornet's nest.

We need to quit worrying so much about the Middle East and start worrying about developing a degree of energy independence.

16 posted on 10/10/2012 3:01:52 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: marron

There’s no good choice in Syria. but given a choice between Iran and Al Qaeda, Iran is a much lesser danger to the USA.


17 posted on 10/10/2012 3:04:41 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: rbmillerjr

Strong defense, not trailing around the ME placing our military on 5 and 6 more tours in yet another damn theater. Rand is right. It will not happen. People are ten years sick of our sons & others being thrown in without mercy.

Forget it.


18 posted on 10/10/2012 3:06:23 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Wrong.

The hornets nest is best dealt with by the Orkin man.


19 posted on 10/10/2012 3:07:10 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: manc

Apple. Tree.


20 posted on 10/10/2012 3:08:09 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: rbmillerjr

Rand’s right.


21 posted on 10/10/2012 3:11:55 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Until they explode a nuke here. And they will.


22 posted on 10/10/2012 3:12:03 PM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: rbmillerjr

Bankrupt nations can’t pay for a military structure larger than the rest of the non-bankrupt world combined.


23 posted on 10/10/2012 3:14:20 PM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: rbmillerjr

peace through strength is the right idea. Peace through poverty, not so much. It is possible to be more efficient and not have a “wimpy” foreign policy. The idea that questioning a military budget alone makes you an appeaser is nonsensical.


24 posted on 10/10/2012 3:14:45 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

The nut never falls very far from the tree.


25 posted on 10/10/2012 3:17:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: PGR88

Again, this is crazy. Their is no need to topple the Syrian government. Picking sides is a crazy policy in this case. At the very least fight on both sides and prolong the battle but picking a side and toppling the government is an absolutely horrid policy


26 posted on 10/10/2012 3:18:32 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Your opinion, I disagree. We can become energy independent and maintain a robust military both. That is not to say there is not waste. But I remember being at Fort Hood over 40 years ago and infantry units not shooting live rounds for a year at a time or being able to repair tanks that were dead lined because of budgetary considerations. This resulted in the fiasco in the desert under Carter after I had ets’d. Never again comes to mind.


27 posted on 10/10/2012 3:20:11 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

This is the son of a man who blames the US for the attacks on 9/11 through “blowback.”


28 posted on 10/10/2012 3:22:44 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: rbmillerjr

In reading Rand’s article it does offer a contradiction. If Romney can demonstrate to the Congress he is arming the right factions, then under Rand’s own criteria, this would be acceptable. I am not opposed to arming Rebels in Syria as long as they are friendly to the US and that they seize power after Assad is toppled. In fact, such a Regime would tilt the balance of power in the mid-east for 30 years. Then somehow, we need to get back into Iraq and contain the Shia as we did before Obama pulled out.


29 posted on 10/10/2012 3:29:15 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Just a republican doing a democrats work for them....Republicans need to shut up until after the election...This guy must love Obama, he’s in the wrong party...


30 posted on 10/10/2012 3:42:30 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Again, not one word has been mentioned so far of the jihad that is being weighed against America but it is only the economy that is continuously in the limelight.

Don’t these guys know that when sharia is established that all their economic planning is like p*ssing in the wind?


31 posted on 10/10/2012 3:45:11 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Yep. Which is why he will be ignored. For over a century, this country stayed out of everyone else’s business and it did, indeed, work. What some naively term isolationism is actually a wiser course than this silly police action mentality.


32 posted on 10/10/2012 3:57:42 PM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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Rand Paul is no less of a loon than his drooling dad.

27 days before the election and this dipstick thinks it’s his turn to be heard.... he’s an idiot!


33 posted on 10/10/2012 4:04:25 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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Rand Paul is no less of a loon than his drooling dad.

27 days before the election and this dipstick thinks it’s his turn to be heard.... he’s an idiot!


34 posted on 10/10/2012 4:04:31 PM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“Damning with faint praise”.


35 posted on 10/10/2012 4:10:20 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Gator113
27 days before the election and this dipstick thinks it’s his turn to be heard.... he’s an idiot!

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He claims to be campaigning for Romney, yet he uses this opportunity to talk about his own opinions and beliefs. He's duplicitous.

36 posted on 10/10/2012 4:15:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Timber Rattler; rbmillerjr
Rand’s right.

Yup.

And for you spectators, there are no nuts in the Paul family tree.

37 posted on 10/10/2012 4:23:37 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: allmendream

Nonsense. The Afghanistan adventure has exhausted our troops and their families.


38 posted on 10/10/2012 4:42:19 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: allmendream

Nonsense. The Afghanistan adventure has exhausted our troops and their families.


39 posted on 10/10/2012 4:42:31 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Theophilus

It has trained them in the terrain and against the foes our nation will need them to fight. While overdeployment can be a problem, it simply means we need to recruit more troops. So far recruitment and retainment has not been a problem.


40 posted on 10/10/2012 5:24:54 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Rand is right.

We have no real allies to back in Syria.

The “opposition” is in reality the culmination of (a) a decade long secret U.S. State/Cia program to work for “regime change” in Syria, working predominately thru U.S. foundations and NGOs, funded by U.S. “one/new world” types (b) Saudi funding of it’s own on that same track, (b) the Muslim Brotherhood carrying most of the operational water inside Syria.

It is foolhardy for the U.S. to believe that it has any real long term interests in Wahabi-Saudi fundamentalism or the Muslim brotherhood.

That’s a sad but true state pf where Syria is headed if the “opposition” succeeds - deeper into the hands of the Wahabi fundamentalists and the Muslim Brotherhood.

It will be no different than how we helped fund the Mujadhadeen to oppose the Soviets, using anothe alliance of convenience with the Saudis and the Islamist government of Pakisan. We got a strengthened Al Queda and a Taliban dominated Afghanistan.

In all of this the U.S. government’s foreign policy has in effect been a tool of Middle East interests that are not in reality “allies” of ours.

Malaki in Iraq keeps moving closer to Iran and refusing to forcefully go after Iranian backed terrorists in Iraq.

Karzai will make a deal with the Taliban to “share power” in some fashion after we pull out, on the misguided supposition that it will be a path to peace. If it produces any peace it will be short lived as the Taliban use the legitimacy of being part of the government as a mere stepping stone to dominating again.

Romney is wrong if he thinks additional American deaths in the Middle East will be seen as a projection of American power and will, because minus a World War II style total war agenda for total victory, there is no mission worth supporting in Afghanistan; and there is no American public support for conducting ourselves that way over there.


41 posted on 10/10/2012 5:54:02 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: rbmillerjr

"Peace through strength" or entitlements. Good luck explaining to Grandma that her SS and Medicare needs to be cut for the defense budget.

42 posted on 10/10/2012 6:30:13 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

You give a false choice.

Entitlements will be reformed and the chart is irrelevant as those rates are unsustainable.


43 posted on 10/11/2012 1:23:29 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: wiseprince

“The idea that questioning a military budget alone makes you an appeaser is nonsensical.”

Paul nuts are appeasers, not questioners or “efficient military” reformers.


44 posted on 10/11/2012 1:30:20 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Gator113

“27 days before the election and this dipstick thinks it’s his turn to be heard.... he’s an idiot!”

Bingo...which makes me think he is just a little smarter version than his numbnuts dad.


45 posted on 10/11/2012 1:36:19 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: goat granny; All

It never ceases to amaze me how many global police interventionists have suddenly sprung up on this site ever since Romney got the nomination.


46 posted on 10/11/2012 2:19:49 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Timber Rattler
Since Nov 2, 2011”


47 posted on 10/11/2012 2:23:00 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: allmendream
So far recruitment and retainment has not been a problem.

I guess you missed these stories then...

September Army-wide stand down to support suicide prevention

Army morale declines in survey

48 posted on 10/11/2012 2:24:07 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: rbmillerjr

49 posted on 10/11/2012 2:26:26 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

My morale would be low too if Obama was my CIC. The troops support finishing the mission in Afghanistan, not retreating like a Paultard coward.


50 posted on 10/11/2012 2:37:19 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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