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Russia says it will not renew arms agreement with U.S.
Reuters ^ | Oct. 10, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 10/10/2012 6:38:29 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

(Reuters) - Russia will not renew a decades-old agreement with Washington on dismantling nuclear and chemical weapons when it expires next year, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov was quoted as saying on Wednesday.

The death of the 1991 agreement, which had been renewed twice, is the latest in a series of hitches in relations between the United States and Russia and casts doubt on the future of the much-vaunted "reset" in relations between the Cold War-era foes.

"The basis of the program is an agreement of 1991 which, by virtue of the time when it was conceived, the way it was worked out and prepared, does not meet very high standards. The agreement doesn't satisfy us, especially considering new realities," Interfax quoted him as saying. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armsagreement; coldwar2; communismkills; obamaforeignpolicy; obamalegacy; russia; russiaarmsagreement; sovietreunion; ussr2; waronterror
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To: Just mythoughts

Good enough. Glad you found the full hearing access. Nighty nite.


51 posted on 10/10/2012 9:56:21 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Ah, thanks for the info. I also saw a thread where James Clapper, our "Director of National Intelligence" had spoken out -- the guy makes me think that at least at the upper levels, our intelligence "efforts" have degenerated into goo.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index

I am then left to wonder if the state of the intelligence agencies is not an even bigger scandal than the Obama Administration's handling of the aftermath of the killings?

Unfortunately, our family's finances have not sufficiently recovered to have sat service. (Still rebuilding the "rainy day fund" and other areas; need a vehicle replacement, etc.) Maybe the hearing is available on the Web, somewhere?

52 posted on 10/10/2012 10:06:46 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Marine_Uncle; Just mythoughts

Thanks from me too - will look for it on CSPAN’s website...


53 posted on 10/10/2012 10:09:30 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Or the Fulda Gap.


54 posted on 10/10/2012 10:21:54 PM PDT by ssschev (Pick up the can, throw out the trash.)
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To: ssschev

Wow, I forgot.


55 posted on 10/10/2012 10:24:34 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Vermont Lt
I'm not sure Russia wants to rule the world. I think they just want to be able to do whatever they want, wherever and whenever they want. I get the impression that they no longer care about how others are ruled, as long as those others don't get in the way.
56 posted on 10/10/2012 10:26:05 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Paul R.

Well your welcome. Do consider bookmarking that CSPAN, for further review in the near future or longer.


57 posted on 10/10/2012 10:28:43 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle; Just mythoughts

I tracked down the exact link:

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Congress-Holds-First-Hearing-on-US-Consulate-Attack-in-Libya/10737434835/

It’s over 4 hours long - I don’t think I’m going to be able to stay up anywhere near that long tonight...


58 posted on 10/10/2012 10:30:23 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

Like wise. It is 1:30AM 10/11/12. I’m tired. Been on and off the FR boards, other sites, CSPAN Congressional hearings going on fifteen hours. Time to call it a day. I do hope many have bookmarked the hearing in question to call up in the short term future for a more careful analysis as to what was brought out. Nighty nite. Do have a great upcoming day.


59 posted on 10/10/2012 10:36:02 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Thanks for the C-SPAN link, will watch it tomorrow.

:)

60 posted on 10/10/2012 11:09:33 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Bush’s fault.


61 posted on 10/10/2012 11:35:50 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Of course the Russians don’t see the need to renew the treaty. A treaty assumes you have to restrain yourself in order to have the assurances of the opposing party will observe similar restraints, and if that opposing party (the US under Obama) is going to unilaterally restrain itself (by unilaterally disarming) then why do something stupid like signing a treaty since it is just an unnecessary obligation?

If Obama is re-elected we are sooooo screwed!


62 posted on 10/11/2012 12:47:16 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Brad from Tennessee; Neil E. Wright
What a surprise.[\sarcasm]. Weakness has always encouraged those who would dictate to others. Strength through armament discourages same.

Ronald Reagan, "Trust, but verify". His commonsense approach to foreign policy has been long lost. We now have a Obamachamberlain as a CIC. He bows and apologizes for every wrong in the world as if it were America's fault, the same country that changed the face of the planet for the better.

I fear our reign is over if Obama gets 4 more. I'm not even sure that Romney, with the House and possibly the Senate in hand, can reverse our slide into unworkable socialism. We'll see...

63 posted on 10/11/2012 1:19:10 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Yes,an important factor in the collapse of the original USSR was that the West spent them into oblivion.That won't work today....today's USSR is awash in oil dollars...euros....pounds....yen."

Excellent points. The very reason Reagan/Thatcher killed the Soviet Union. Now we have a CIC who bows to ME potentates and has no concept of Russian economics and the power building from that. This Russian policy statement says it all, even to a simple nobody as myself. They are regrouping and looking to challenge American superiority. And who do we have to counter their coming aggressive influence? A socilist/marxist "community organizer"!

We are heading to war.

64 posted on 10/11/2012 1:28:24 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I thught they were waiting until after the November elections when *Huusein would have “more flexibility” on issues like missile defense.*


65 posted on 10/11/2012 1:34:02 AM PDT by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: technically right
he’ll be more “flexible” after the election. That means he’ll be able to bend over further

Open Mic Catches Obama Asking Medvedev for Space on Missile Defense
March 26, 2012

"In a private conversation about the planned U.S.-led NATO missile defense system in Europe, President Barack Obama asked outgoing Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for space on the issue.

This is my last election,” Obama told Medvedev. “After my election I have more flexibility.”

“I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” Medvedev said, referring to incoming President Vladimir Putin."

http://fox8.com/2012/03/26/open-mic-catches-obama-asking-medvedev-for-space-on-missile-defense/
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Obama was talking with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev when neither of them realized that their conversation was being picked up by microphones. Here is what they said:

Obama: “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved, but it’s important for him to give me space.”

Medvedev: “Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you ...”

Obama: “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”

Medvedev: “I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”

“This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.” That statement tells us much about the president’s mindset.

The specific mention of missile defense is worrisome enough. Mr. Obama has retreated from the missile defense plan that was negotiated with European allies during the George W. Bush administration. Apparently, he is signaling Moscow that he intends to retreat further. The clear implication from the president’s comments is that he cannot tell the American people before the election what he plans to do after the election.

In addition, there is the phrase “on all these issues,” implying more is at stake than just missile defense.”

Article: Obama plans double cross on missile defense
When it comes to keeping America safe, we shouldn’t be too flexible:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/29/obama-plans-double-cross-on-missile-defense/print/

66 posted on 10/11/2012 2:44:53 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: technically right
Obama To Betray Missile Defense Secrets To Moscow
Investor's Business Daily ^ | January 9, 2012 | IBD staff

Appeasement: From ObamaCare to recess appointments, honoring the Constitution has not been an administration hallmark. But when it comes to betraying secrets to mollify the Russians, it becomes a document the president hides behind.

It was bad enough that the 2012 defense authorization bill signed by President Obama set America on a downward spiral of military mediocrity.

He also issued a signing statement, something he once opposed, saying that language in the bill aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 — linchpin of our missile defense — might impinge on his constitutional foreign-policy authority.

Section 1227 of the defense law prohibits spending any funds that would be used to give Russian officials access to sensitive missile-defense technology as part of a cooperation agreement without first sending Congress a report identifying the specific secrets, how they'd be used and steps to protect the data from compromise.

The president is required to certify that any technology shared will not be passed on to third parties such as China, North Korea or Iran, that the Russians will not use transferred secrets to develop countermeasures and that the Russians are reciprocating in sharing missile-defense technology.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...

67 posted on 10/11/2012 2:45:23 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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From the campaign trail, February 2008...

Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs

February 29, 2008 :: News
MissileThreat.com

A video has surfaced of Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama talking on his plans for strategic issues such as nuclear weapons and missile defense.

The full text from the video, as released, reads as follows:

Thanks so much for the Caucus4Priorities, for the great work you've been doing. As president, I will end misguided defense policies and stand with Caucus4Priorities in fighting special interests in Washington.

First, I'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I'm the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.[not win it -etl]

Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.

I will not weaponize space.

I will slow our development of future combat systems.

And I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.

Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert [they are NOT on "hair-trigger alert" now -etl], and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.

You know where I stand. I've fought for open, ethical and accountable government my entire public life. I don't switch positions or make promises that can't be kept. I don't posture on defense policy and I don't take money from federal lobbyists for powerful defense contractors. As president, my sole priority for defense spending will be protecting the American people. Thanks so much.

Article: Obama Pledges Cuts in Missile Defense, Space, and Nuclear Weapons Programs:
http://missilethreat.com/archives/id.7086/detail.asp

"MissileThreat.com is a project of The Claremont Institute devoted to understanding and promoting the requirements for the strategic defense of the United States."
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"I will not weaponize space"

"I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems"
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2008 Pentagon Report (March 2008):
China's Growing Military Space Power

By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], see U.S. Dept of Defense:
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf

68 posted on 10/11/2012 2:45:59 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Obama: "We Welcome China's Rise"
CBS News ^ | January 19, 2011 | Stephanie Condon
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2005/09/war-games-russia-china-grow-alliance

69 posted on 10/11/2012 2:46:24 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This is almost certainly a ploy by the Russians to help insure an Obama reelection.


70 posted on 10/11/2012 2:47:57 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama

Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gEo4B1heuBvO6KK7EiBHKigO1UrA

April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/specialreport/news/419496_88/1/.html

71 posted on 10/11/2012 2:48:58 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: hadaclueonce
I really don’t get this story. What can the Russian hope to get an edge on? They like 0? They like R?

What the the Russians say now (PRE-election) and what they'll actually do then (POST-election) are two different things. Without a doubt, Obama is their guy. They're probably donating heavily to his reelection campaign.

72 posted on 10/11/2012 2:54:57 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Just mythoughts

I wonder if they are related too. Not sure what the timeline is, though.


73 posted on 10/11/2012 2:58:57 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I am sick of Obama's and Hillary's apologies to muslims, especially after 11 September 2012.)
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To: hadaclueonce

The agreement doesn’t expire until NEXT YEAR. ie, POST-election. Obama has promised Putin he’ll be even more ‘flexible’ then.


74 posted on 10/11/2012 3:02:03 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
No reason to renew, Puketin has already received most of what he wanted during the last 4 years of the disastrous Obama administration. Obama gave him the missile sites, codes, coordinates, protocols and the numbers so what else is there left to steal from an inept President? He doesn't need Obama anymore and is tossing away all of Obama’s “RESET” policies...sad, very sad...vote Romney.
75 posted on 10/11/2012 3:34:31 AM PDT by Netz (Netz)
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To: Flag_This

And that sniveling Hilary Rodham-Clinton is a hero to Democrats. What a joke.


76 posted on 10/11/2012 4:14:12 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: a fool in paradise
That is of no concern to Baraq Hussein Obama. He will still work to reduce our own nuclear arsenal down to 300 and ultimately down to zero.

The Russians need their arsenal in case China gets aggressive over Siberian resources. Meanwhile, they can be confident that the US Left will prevent any US nuke buildup.

77 posted on 10/11/2012 4:17:15 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; sickoflibs

whew, good thing we got a head start on dismantling ours, we mightve lost the race...


78 posted on 10/11/2012 4:50:57 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: battlecry

more hope and change.


79 posted on 10/11/2012 5:16:19 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Russia says it will not renew arms agreement with U.S.

Of course not. The Ruskies are waiting for nobama to get reelected so there will be more "flexibility." Read, nobama's getting ready to give away the farm.

80 posted on 10/11/2012 5:32:16 AM PDT by upchuck (I miss my dog Snoopy. May 16, 1997-September 24, 2012 -- 15 years, 4 months. Forever in my heart.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Uh oh....things are moving very quickly...


81 posted on 10/11/2012 6:30:42 AM PDT by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Wildbill22; Brad from Tennessee
You make a good point: "if that opposing party (the US under Obama) is going to unilaterally restrain itself (by unilaterally disarming) then why do something stupid like signing a treaty."

An observation here: I'm old enough to remember when the stated goal of the left was "unilateral disarmament." The conservative response was to point out that the Soviets still retained an enormous and growing nuclear arsenal that needed to be countered. The left's reply was "if we disarm first, they won't have a need for it and they will disarm too! (Pass the reefer, will ya?)" Well, we have now mostly disamed, and guess what? The bear is building bombs and missiles like it's 1962 all over again.

The goal of the Left, and by extension their sock puppets the Democrats, has always been to leave the USA helpless before our enemies. They are about to get their wish.

82 posted on 10/11/2012 7:40:27 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: a fool in paradise

It needs to be at LEAST 7500—with a few(100 or so) High—yield warheads-(>5MT )—instead of what we are left with now..because I am SURE the Russkies have NOT done away with all of the SS-18’s with the 25MT warhead...and even though they are old and outdated...I am sure a FEW of them could still make it here—and kill a whole REGION—not just a city—each...

The tiger has nor claws anymore—.....


83 posted on 10/11/2012 8:34:35 AM PDT by Rca2000 ( NEVER underestimate the power of "one little election", in WI.....)
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To: Rca2000

Another reason for having a higher number that 300, they are not all stationed in silos in America. There are warheads deployed around the world, including mobile units.

If you’ve got them where they don’t do any good, you might as well not count them at all.


84 posted on 10/11/2012 9:27:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: jboot

>>An observation here: I’m old enough to remember when the stated goal of the left was “unilateral disarmament.

It still is. Obama is on record. So are some filmmakers and activists:

Countdown to Zero trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mn-1LuLhrw

From the people behind An Inconvenient Truth.

Goonie eyed liberals who think the only way to “end” the Islamist threat of nuclear detonation against the West is to eliminate ALL nuclear weapons.

And yes Obama makes it clear it wants NO weapons. He has already removed their use from the table in a US response to just about any sort of attack on us.


85 posted on 10/11/2012 9:33:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: Just mythoughts

Oops, messed that up - was 2/3 asleep...

Link is:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2943098/posts


86 posted on 10/11/2012 9:56:23 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: jboot
The goal of the Left, and by extension their sock puppets the Democrats, has always been to leave the USA helpless before our enemies.

From "45 Communist Goals", as per "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963:

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

'Goals' 4-45 can be found here:
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

87 posted on 10/11/2012 11:34:41 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Irish Eyes

Your welcome. It is still available for viewing on the main page entries.


88 posted on 10/11/2012 12:09:45 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Flag_This
"запуск" written in cyrillics, "zapusk" in Latin letters, pronounced "zAh-poosk". The capital stands for the stressed vowel.
89 posted on 10/15/2012 3:33:04 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Barry will have us at war with Russia soon.


90 posted on 10/15/2012 3:45:52 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Flag_This
An instrument board for the Soviet SS-20 (Satan) system.

The launch button is behind the orange button in the left part. There's a keyhole nearby. Another man turning the key while the button is being pressed.

91 posted on 10/17/2012 7:44:22 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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