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Libertarians survive PA ballot challenge
Libertarian Party ^ | 10/10/12 | Libertarian Party

Posted on 10/11/2012 1:55:11 AM PDT by Siegfried X

Presidential Candidate Governor Gary Johnson Survives Brutal Republican Ballot Challenge

Commonwealth Court Senior Judge James G. Colins ruled late today that the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania has filed nominating petitions containing more than the required 20,601 valid signatures and that the entire slate of statewide Libertarian candidates will remain on the November 6 general election ballot.

The ruling was a stinging defeat for Republicans who waged a grueling and expensive 9-week battle to force their Libertarian Party competition off the November ballot...

With little money and an army of dedicated volunteers, the LP stood up to the superior resources of the Republican Party, never once considering capitulation, even though faced with the possibility of a significant assessment of costs, sanctions and attorneys fees that may be assessed on the losing party...

Libertarians were required to field teams of at least 20 people each day for two weeks in Philadelphia. Each was paired with a Republican and a computer operator in order to tediously review challenged signatures. A similar operation was conducted in Harrisburg the following week. After this effort, approximately 14,000 signatures remained contested. For the next four weeks, four teams of lawyers and volunteers meticulously re-reviewed the contested signatures under court supervision.

The herculean effort to defend against the challenge was supported by more than 85 very dedicated volunteers hailing from seven states. Roy Minet, who coordinated the massive, marathon volunteer effort, stated, “Our volunteers are truly noble. We appreciate that we even had a few Green Party volunteers.” Surprisingly, the Greens were not challenged this time around. “Some Republicans, who said they couldn’t ‘stomach’ what their party was trying to do, helped us as well,” Minet added.

(Excerpt) Read more at lp.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: libertarian
The latest (10/10/12) Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Pennsylvania Voters shows the president with 51% of the vote to Romney’s 46%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and another one percent (1%) remains undecided
1 posted on 10/11/2012 1:55:19 AM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Siegfried X

Unlike the Constitution Party, which completely folded in Pennsylvania.


2 posted on 10/11/2012 2:16:19 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Siegfried X

Way to go !! this is america so vote for whoever you want to, But remember how clinton won two elections, not saying he wouldn’t have won anyway but maybe not.


3 posted on 10/11/2012 2:22:25 AM PDT by saturn
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To: Siegfried X
Thank God the GOP ticket is surging in the polls...I'm getting more and more sanguine that Obama allies like Gary Johnson won't convince enough conservatives to waste their votes on them and thus help reelect the Marxist.
4 posted on 10/11/2012 2:34:22 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("The good news? Obama lost--the bad news? Mitt won." have)
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To: Happy Rain
How is Johnson better than Romney to any FReeper (poster on a "Conservative" website)? Aside from his fiscal conservative half, his other half is entirely a moonbat leftist Obamanista - as his follow positions reveal:

- Anti-illegal "immigrant" laws lead to racial profiling
- "Open the border; flood of Mexicans would become taxpayers"
- Pledged to cut the military budget by 43 percent in his first term as president
- Stated that he does not believe Iran is a military threat, would use his presidential power to prevent Israel from attacking Iran
- Highest score of any candidate from the American Civil Liberties Union
- Pro-choice on abortion
- Endorses same-sex marriage and has called for a constitutional amendment protecting equal marriage rights
- Supports drug decriminalization

Such a "Libertarian" = a RINO on steroids.

Even Romney's anti-conservatist positions do not reach the 50% level of Johnson's.

5 posted on 10/11/2012 4:49:31 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix
CORRECTION:

Even Romney's anti-conservatist and suspect conservative positions do not reach the 50% level of Johnson's.

6 posted on 10/11/2012 4:57:36 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Siegfried X
Liberal-tarians don't take votes from Republicans. They are sideways liberals who can't admit that they are really Democrats. They should just vote for Obama and skip the middle man.
7 posted on 10/11/2012 5:00:07 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: fatima; st.eqed; xsmommy; Nowhere Man; South Hawthorne; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; ..

PA Ping!

If you want on/off the PA Ping List, please freepmail me.

If you see posts of interest to Pennsylvanians, please ping me.

Thanks!


8 posted on 10/11/2012 5:41:48 AM PDT by randita
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To: Siegfried X
The Libertarian Party, to my knowledge, hasn't won a single major contested election.

Why do they exist as a Party?

9 posted on 10/11/2012 6:17:21 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Why do they exist as a Party?

To run interference for Democrats.

10 posted on 10/11/2012 7:05:58 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: fortheDeclaration

You should be happy they are there. A large part of what they do is prevent Republicans from going totally forsaking LIBERTY. It’s the 2% of those in the U.s. that can cost the R’s an election if they go FULL Big Government, which they seem to love in their unique R (vs D) way.


11 posted on 10/11/2012 11:32:38 AM PDT by Ronnie Honduras
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To: drpix

Depends if you define “conservative” in terms of “defense of LIBERTY” (which is the opposite of authoritarian...). Otherwise, yea — Radical Islamists are “conservative”

BOARDERS AND ILLEGALS, this is fundamentally an economic issue tied to government entitlements and labor intervention, such as the enticing minimum wage. America was founded by hard working, independent thinking immigrants with a deep bias towards self governance and liberty, who earned the wage they were able to gather through their own hard work, not thanks to some government program and union entitlement, etc. Who cares who comes to the country as long as they support themselves, produce things of value to their fellow citizens? Frankly, so many U.S. citizens are not worthy of their citizenships, expecting handouts of government entitlements, or simply thinking they are blessed by God thanks to the lucky sperm that let them be born in the U.S.A., “and that’s enough to protect me from any labor competition”

If you want to make people take a pledge to protect liberty and prevent citizens who are against it from coming to this nation, I’m all for it. But we should also put all authoritarians and quasi-authoritarians on a boat and ship them off tomorrow. Lord knows, we have enough of them among both the R and D establishment who care not one whit for TRUE LIBERTY.

MILITARY SPENDING: What’s the stat — The U.S. spends more than the next 20 nations combined?? (Give or take a few) We borrow money from China, Japan and Korea so we can protect Japan and South Korea from China? We can’t compete with German quality, yet we pay the majority of NATO?? We shelter the rest of socialized Europe from paying their own military so socialistas in the U.S. can say “look how good their safety nets are in Europe, and they can make ends meet”?? We have troops in over 100 nations. We pursue a foreign policy that the CIA long ago acknowledges breeds and galvanizes enemies against the U.S. vs. their regional enemies.... The R’s have an awful LIBERAL definition about foreign policy. Hawkish and bomb dropping it may be, it is also very UN CHRISTIAN. But fundamentally, it all comes down to LIBERTY. I’m not going to force you to pay for bombs I may want to drop just because I think it’s a good idea, the same way you probably don’t want to pay for some lefty’s version of charity via your taxes going to some welfare entitlement. You may be perfectly charitable, but you have your own ideas of what that is and you don’t think paying people to have kids and sit on their butts is a good idea. If I agree or don’t shouldn’t matter, and a LIBERTARIAN candidate will do whatever they can to make sure the choice is yours, not some politicians or the flunkies that achieve the critical voting mass to elect him.

ACLU RATINGS: who has use for a conservative who is anti LIBERTY? The libertarian stands for LIBERTY — the concept this nation was founded in defending in case you’ve forgotten.

So many Americans wave their flag for the exact opposite of liberty and don’t even realize it.

PRO CHOICE: I have to look into Johnson more specifically, but libertarians vary on this issue, and many side with protecting the unborn as human beings entitled to their own liberty. They are unanimous in that nobody should be forced to pay for someone else’s abortion, though. Even some R’s don’t buy into that. (they may pay lip service).

SAME SEX MARRIAGE - Marriage is a contract between two individuals and their God, and IMO not the business of the STATE. My Christian definition of marriage, and the institution itself, is what I believe it to be, not what someone else tries to make it. Who, with any confidence in their own God and Religion lacks such confidence that they must seek Big Government to do their work?

DRUG Decriminalization: The billion dollar war on drugs is a failure and it is MEGA Big Govt. Business. It is a gross violation of liberty among consenting adults, on top of being a massive loophole used by BIG GOVT to track private financial transactions and basic rights of privacy. It allows police departments to seize any asset they deem to be drug related, especially cash, forcing innocent people to prove their are not guilty merely on the suspicion of carrying cash.... On top of it it is modern Prohibition that, apart from having not stamped out drug use, has made worthless substances worth more than gold and provided a massive profit drive behind pushing their sale in our schools and streets. It also breeds tremendous violence in impoverished areas where drugs are rampant and Al Capone’s of our era kill each other taking innocent bystanders with them, while desperate addicts are forced into hiding to avoid incarceration and left to steal for their fix, further increasing crime.

Yea, that’s a real smart Drug War you got there. Keep defending THAT moronacy.

A RINO? Definitely not, but certainly not a anti LIBERTY Republican like so many flag wavers out there who are really nothing more than quasi-authoritarians of a different stripe, as hell bent on spending others money and allotting others rights without their victims’ consent, just like their Democrat counterparts.

Good for you, though.


12 posted on 10/11/2012 11:33:30 AM PDT by Ronnie Honduras
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To: jmaroneps37

You don’t know many Libertarians, then, do you?


13 posted on 10/11/2012 11:33:57 AM PDT by Ronnie Honduras
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To: saturn

Read my Lips and Brady Bill Bob Dole got Clinton elected. Had nothing to do with 3rd Parties.

Just like Obama got elected... Not because of Palin or 3rd Parties, but because McCain sucked.

Same this time around. Willard is about as milquetoast as they come. If he loses, blaming the LP is about as dumb as you can get...


14 posted on 10/11/2012 11:37:32 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: drpix
2nd Amendment. Property Rights. Over-turn Roe V Wade and hand the issue back to the States. End welfare...

None of which Romney would ever consider.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

15 posted on 10/11/2012 11:39:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Well... Wrong. But don’t let that slow you down.


16 posted on 10/11/2012 11:40:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Wrong.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/in-nevada-johnson-draws-mostly-from-obama-138084.html?hp=l14


17 posted on 10/11/2012 12:13:42 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Wrong.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/in-nevada-johnson-draws-mostly-from-obama-138084.html?hp=l14

Maybe in this case, but during the Bush/Clinton election, Ross Perot seriously hurt George H.W. Bush. He also hurt Bob Dole in the subsequent Dole/Clinton election.

Had George H.W. Bush been re-elected, Clinton would never have created the housing Crises, Bin Laden wouldn't have escaped in Somalia, (No 911) we would have two more conservative Justices, and Obama would likely not even be a footnote. He would be the nobody/nothing that he deserves to be.

Thanks Ross Perot.

18 posted on 10/11/2012 1:11:13 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Read my Lips and Brady Bill Bob had no one to blame but their own less than conservative selves.

If you don’t want libertarians stealing your votes... Don’t run RINO’s.

Easy math.


19 posted on 10/11/2012 1:25:46 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Read my Lips and Brady Bill Bob had no one to blame but their own less than conservative selves.

If you don’t want libertarians stealing your votes... Don’t run RINO’s.

Easy math.

Didn't pick George Bush, Reagan did. Biggest mistake he ever made. Couldn't stand George H.W. Bush, but too many people wanted him in 1988, and he was the nominee in 1992.

You fight with the army you have, not the army you wished you had. "Read my Lips" Badly damaged George H.W. Bush's chances of wining. That was the only thing the Democrat Congress wanted out of the deal they made with him. (as usual, they didn't honor their side at all.)

George Bush was so naive about Democrat intentions that Not only did he not know which side he was on, he wasn't even aware that he was in a war.

The election was still recoverable though, but for the efforts of Ross Perot undermining George Bush's election chances. Ross Perot helped Clinton damage George Bush, and along with the Communist Media, it was enough to saddle us with Clinton, which was a Major disaster far out of proportion to the gripes which Libertarians had against George Bush.

The Libertarians guaranteed we would end up with the worst possible President that time.

20 posted on 10/11/2012 1:42:04 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

You go over all the reasons they lost well enough, but still refuse to see that the LP had nothing to do with it.

You cannot continue to ask the voters to eat sh*t and then get mad when they go to the non-sh*t buffet next door.


21 posted on 10/11/2012 2:00:26 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse
You go over all the reasons they lost well enough, but still refuse to see that the LP had nothing to do with it.

You cannot continue to ask the voters to eat sh*t and then get mad when they go to the non-sh*t buffet next door.

You see it differently. George Bush was the equivalent of eating cardboard. Bill Clinton was equivalent of Eating Sh*t. The Libertarians chose a sh*t diet instead of a cardboard diet.

As bad as the carboard diet tasted, the sh*t diet was worse. Much worse.

22 posted on 10/11/2012 2:04:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
No. The LP chose a non-sh*t candidate themselves. Don't blame them if you voted for the lesser of three candidates.

Do you know what happens if people stop voting Party and start voting principles? The Libertarian would win...

Of the three candidates qualified for enough ballots to win the election, only Johnson has the least amount of sh*t stuck to him compared to the other two...

23 posted on 10/11/2012 2:08:50 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Ronnie Honduras
No, it is proof they aren't series about elections, only getting on the ballot.

Run as Republicans.

24 posted on 10/11/2012 2:34:55 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Ronnie Honduras
No, it is proof they aren't serious about elections, only getting on the ballot.

Run as Republicans.

25 posted on 10/11/2012 2:35:22 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Happy Rain
Obama allies like Gary Johnson

Gary Johnson is as far removed from Obama as you can get. What planet do you call home?

26 posted on 10/11/2012 2:40:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: jmaroneps37
Liberal-tarians don't take votes from Republicans. They are sideways liberals who can't admit that they are really Democrats. They should just vote for Obama and skip the middle man.

This isn't a high school football game and your comment borders on insanity.

27 posted on 10/11/2012 2:42:55 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Dead Corpse
No. The LP chose a non-sh*t candidate themselves. Don't blame them if you voted for the lesser of three candidates.

Do you know what happens if people stop voting Party and start voting principles? The Libertarian would win...

Of the three candidates qualified for enough ballots to win the election, only Johnson has the least amount of sh*t stuck to him compared to the other two...

I can see we are going to disagree on this. Backing a candidate that cannot possibly win is not a stand on principles unless it can bring about some sort of positive change. (Like the Alamo) If it brings about no positive change, it is a useless and futile gesture. It is the embodiment of the theory that "the Perfect is the enemy of the good."

When you are faced with a crowd that is choosing between a murderer or a thief, you pick the thief.

28 posted on 10/11/2012 2:44:59 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Ronnie Honduras

Libertarians are folk that happen to think they are smarter than several thousand years worth of experience.


29 posted on 10/11/2012 2:52:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Ronnie Honduras

Libertarians are the commandos for the left, they talk conservative economics while fighting for leftist attacks on American society and culture.


30 posted on 10/11/2012 3:39:19 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Dead Corpse

Wow proabortion and homosexual marriage, open borders people right here at FR.


31 posted on 10/11/2012 3:46:32 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Anti-Roe v Wade is proabortion? Anti-welfare is pro-open borders?

You are still a jacka$$...

Maybe we need more Romneycare, more Federal funding for abortion mills, and more gun control as Willard has a record of supporting...


32 posted on 10/11/2012 5:05:50 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Clinton didn’t get 50% during either election, and in my dumb opinion he would have lost if Ross wasn’t involved, and as for McCain your probaly right, but dont forget the 6 years the media did everything in there power to destroy bush and the republicans.


33 posted on 10/11/2012 5:10:12 PM PDT by saturn
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To: Dead Corpse

Wanting to end any and all restraints, limits, or restrictions on all abortion, is pro-abortion.

Wanting to open the borders entirely and shut down the Border Patrol and the INS, is pro-open borders.

Wasting people’s time by ignoring actual posts and rewriting them as fake straw dogs and name calling, is just old fashioned lying and childish.


34 posted on 10/11/2012 5:24:23 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

When you get around to posting actual facts, let me know. Your shtick is pretty threadbare..


35 posted on 10/11/2012 5:26:46 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: saturn

Yes Clinton won 42.7% in 1992, Perot made him president.

The strongest showing in Libertarian Party history, was when they mounted their attack to stop Reagan in 1980.


36 posted on 10/11/2012 5:32:19 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Dead Corpse

I post the facts all the time.

Libertarian position on abortion, in plain language—Abortion; zero restrictions or impediments.

In the formal platform language—
ABORTION:
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


Libertarian position on Immigration, in plain language—Throw open the borders completely; only a rare individual (terrorist, disease carrier etc.) can be kept from freedom of movement through “political boundaries”.

In the formal platform language—
IMMIGRATION:
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.


37 posted on 10/11/2012 5:46:55 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: elkfersupper
Ross Perot was Clinton's ally (would not have won without him)—at least on planet earth—which planet are YOU from?
38 posted on 10/11/2012 5:53:58 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("The good news? Obama lost--the bad news? Mitt won." have)
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To: ansel12

Yes. We’ve been over that and why you are still an idiot.

End welfare and you’d only have those waiting to become Americans coming here.

End the War on Guns and you’d be able to defend yourself against sudden jihad syndrome.

End our campaign of playing Globo-cop and we’d have fewer terrorist attacks.

Not all libertarians are pro-abortion. I’m very pro-life as we’ve discussed before. All want Roe v Wade over turned...

But, as I’ve said before... We’ve been over all of this.


39 posted on 10/11/2012 6:30:02 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse

You pretended not to know the party platform on abortion and immigration, and started with the childish insults that seem to mix with the childish fantasies of your party.

You pretend that ending welfare will happen, while you know for a fact that your agenda for open borders is an actual, real life possibility and could happen soon, as your party calls for opening up this nation to the entire world’s population without controls and limits, while closing down the Border Patrol and INS.

The libertarian party platform is CLEAR on abortion, ZERO LIMITS, ZERO HURDLES, ZERO OBSTRUCTIONS, ZERO LAWS.

ABORTION:
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


40 posted on 10/11/2012 7:47:09 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Dead Corpse

“pro-life” people do not push pro-abortion platforms and enlist people to support abortion platforms and politicians.

You pretended not to know the party platform on abortion and immigration, and started with the childish insults that seem to mix with the childish fantasies of your party.

You pretend that ending welfare will happen, while you know for a fact that your agenda for open borders is an actual, real life possibility and could happen soon, as your party calls for opening up this nation to the entire world’s population without controls and limits, while closing down the Border Patrol and INS.

The libertarian party platform is CLEAR on abortion, ZERO LIMITS, ZERO HURDLES, ZERO OBSTRUCTIONS, ZERO LAWS.

ABORTION:
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.


41 posted on 10/11/2012 7:54:39 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12
“pro-life” people do not push pro-abortion platforms and enlist people to support abortion platforms and politicians.

Then why are you voting for Romney?

As for abortion, over turning Roe V Wade redresses a Federal power over reach. Just as murder statutes are State laws, so should the abortion issue.

Libertarians for Life see it at a deeper philosophical level. ie; "If it is human, then by definition killing is murder." We work to spread the logic of this view rather than resorting to name calling and hyperbole...

Try it some time.

42 posted on 10/12/2012 5:37:22 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Happy Rain
Hey, this is America.

Anything can happen. We once had a guy elected President from the Bull Moose Party.

43 posted on 10/12/2012 7:23:11 AM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: ansel12

I was only 16 then so I didn’t pay to much attenion, but I did like to watch Mr. buckley. Thanks for for the info about the %.


44 posted on 10/13/2012 6:23:17 AM PDT by saturn
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