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1 posted on 10/11/2012 9:56:02 AM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: AmericanSamurai

Every damn athlete uses something these days. Meds are meds.


2 posted on 10/11/2012 9:57:31 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: AmericanSamurai

So how did he never cail a drug test....ever? Doesn’t add up to me.


3 posted on 10/11/2012 9:58:58 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (ABO)
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To: Baynative; luv2ski; concentric circles; Ready4Freddy; Eurotwit; Vision
I don't know what to believe ping...
5 posted on 10/11/2012 9:59:47 AM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: AmericanSamurai

I do not care what these evil b’stards say.

Lance does not have to play their game.

He is a man; they are weasels.

I wish some of Lance’s friend, like GW Bush, would help him out on this.


6 posted on 10/11/2012 9:59:47 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: AmericanSamurai

Dumping his wife for Sheryl Crow told me all I needed to know about Lance’s ethics.


13 posted on 10/11/2012 10:05:58 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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14 posted on 10/11/2012 10:05:58 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: AmericanSamurai

I am pretty torn about this whole deal.

On the one hand, it is obvious that Armstrong was doping. I think it is probably also true that he was a ringleader in the doping for his teams. But I also think his wife is right to the extent of is being a “necessary evil” for the top riders. All of the top riders were doping, and it should be obvious to everyone paying attention that this was a sport-wide phenomena not limited just to Lance and his team.

OTOH, I’m unclear why the USADA is going after a retired athlete. I also find it really alarming how there is alack of due process for accused athletes with the USADA.

Was Lance doping? Of course.

But is it within the USADA’s jurisdiction to investigate a retired athlete regarding a well-known dirty sport? And is it appropriate that the USADA could act as prosecutor, judge and jury?

What if the USADA went after Ronnie Coleman for doping in the sport of professional bodybuilding? It is plainly obvious that *every* contestant in Mr. Universe contests is doping. So would it be appropriate for the USADA to single out one retired champ like Coleman for sins of the past that everyone in the sport was doing?


17 posted on 10/11/2012 10:12:36 AM PDT by Chameleon
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To: AmericanSamurai

I have to admit that the hear-say evidence is overwhelming, but it is interesting that every single one of the witnesses against Armstrong failed multiple drug tests and Lance never failed a single one.

I will never be able to say that Lance did NOT dope, but in the absence of concrete evidence I will never be able to say Lance DID dope.

And therein lies the crux of the whole matter - while the testimony is pretty overwhelming and damning the bottom line is it is all circumstantial evidence and hearsay evidence.


25 posted on 10/11/2012 10:20:56 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: AmericanSamurai
just for the record, EPO is a very expensive,legal drug and is used to help boost the health of chemo/cancer/dialysis patients....

EPO is NOT evil for those patients that depend on it...

37 posted on 10/11/2012 10:39:51 AM PDT by cherry
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To: AmericanSamurai
People, come on. He did it. The thing is, EVERYBODY in this particualar sport does it too! The governing body of cycling looks the other way.

In 1998 Lance was pissed that guys who were dirty were beating him. So he decided to join them. So did his teammates.

I heard a stat on the radio once that if you were to give the Tour de France trophy to the rider that was never suspected of taking PEDs that you'd have to go to the #23 rider. The sport is dirty. Everybody knows it, nobody cares.

40 posted on 10/11/2012 10:46:28 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: AmericanSamurai
IMHO..this is more about the power of the USDA...than about “doping’ per se...

Its a feather in their cap to bring down an Armstrong...and they need to do something of the sort to “legitimize” their existence and function. No bureaucracy will tolerate an individual thumbing their nose at it.

49 posted on 10/11/2012 11:02:16 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: AmericanSamurai

Just more abusive personal politics attacking a citizen using government power. No facts are in that report, just accusations.


53 posted on 10/11/2012 11:05:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: AmericanSamurai

You’d almost think Lance Armstrong is a REPUBLICAN or something, the way he’s being persecuted these days.


60 posted on 10/11/2012 11:27:52 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: AmericanSamurai

All the top riders used these methods....put an asterisk next to it and move on...he was the best using. the methods that everyone used...he still had to pedal the friggin bike better than the rest


64 posted on 10/11/2012 11:54:47 AM PDT by databoss
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To: AmericanSamurai

All the top riders used these methods....put an asterisk next to it and move on...he was the best using. the methods that everyone used...he still had to pedal the friggin bike better than the rest


65 posted on 10/11/2012 11:55:16 AM PDT by databoss
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To: AmericanSamurai
Maybe it's a tie.


68 posted on 10/11/2012 12:09:07 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: AmericanSamurai

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USADA report reveals USADA as the greatest fraud in American sports.

Time to shut down the USADA.


73 posted on 10/11/2012 12:28:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AmericanSamurai

Here’s a radical thought. For professionals, open the gates. Let every jackass in baseball, football, hockey, NASCAR, PGA, cycling, MMA, NBA, boxing, everything use all the drugs they want. Term limit them to five years of play.

I’d love to see an 85-yard field goal, a 900 foot home run, a 600 yard drive or any other sort of super-human feat. They’re grown-ups and they should be able to do what they want.

It’s cynical and cold but you’re not going to stop the arms race of performance enhancing drugs. Limit play to five years and maybe s significant portion will get out alive.


75 posted on 10/11/2012 12:36:57 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: AmericanSamurai

He will be out done when Obama gets fully exposed.


80 posted on 10/12/2012 4:29:58 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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