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Snow blankets the greater Sydney region
Australian Broadcasting Commission ^ | 12 Oct 2012 | Jodie van de Wetering

Posted on 10/11/2012 4:28:05 PM PDT by BlackVeil

Snow has fallen across a large part of NSW and the ACT, despite it being over a month into spring.

There have been reports of snow in the Blue Mountains and Southern Highlands, while Canberra has received 10 centimetres.

Yesterday, South Australia witnessed a once-in-a-century October snowfall.

Sydney Ferries has cancelled the Manly service due to the weather, and the Great Western Highway is closed in both directions at Wentworth Falls.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page for photos and reports of the snowfall from ABC listeners.

The Bureau of Meteorology says the snow is a result of a very cold air mass that has moved across NSW. The air mass has caused a deep low to form on the south coast which has produced the snow.

Bureau forecaster Ewen Mitchell says although the snowfall is unusual, it is not unheard of at this time of year.

"I don't think there's been hugely heavy falls. [It's been] fairly widespread," he said. "It's certainly not record breaking in terms that it's happened before."

...Katoomba resident Dawn told ABC 702 Sydney she woke to a white world.

"It's very beautiful and peaceful," she said.

Dangerous roads

Police and inspectors from Roads and Maritime New South Wales are inspecting the New England Highway after heavy snowfalls in the Northern Tablelands overnight. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at abc.net.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; snow
As you can see, Australia is hard hit by global warming. So much so, that snow is closing roads, during spring in the South Pacific.
1 posted on 10/11/2012 4:28:08 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

I’ve been in Australia once in October...greater Sydney.It was 80 degrees every day.


2 posted on 10/11/2012 4:31:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I was born in Sydney Australia. This is unusual. Has LA ever had snow? I know Florida has had frosts on occasion.


3 posted on 10/11/2012 4:34:43 PM PDT by xp38
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To: xp38

LA has had snow in the last few years (heavy at that), of course you did not see it trumpted in the media because it would embarrass the great ALGORE


4 posted on 10/11/2012 4:37:30 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: xp38

S Fl has snow once every 10 years or so .
I recall a few inches dropping
In north Tampa in the 80s


5 posted on 10/11/2012 4:40:14 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: BlackVeil

Back in May of 2006, I took a bus tour of the British Isles. There were several Aussie couples on board. One Saturday we were in the Highlands, and it started snowing. It wasn’t a surprise to me because in Central New York, it’s been known to snow here that late. A couple on board the bus asked the tour guide if he could please stop the bus so they could take a picture. They said they had never seen snow before, and their friends back home wouldn’t believe them unless they had a photo to prove it.


6 posted on 10/11/2012 4:44:36 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: xp38
Has LA ever had snow?

Perhaps not the city istelf byt I'll bet the suburbs east of LA get a dusting once in a while.

I know Florida has had frosts on occasion.

Frosts and even brief freezes are not that unusual in most of Florida.Citrus and vegetable growers are always on guard during the winter.Miami has had at least one measurable snowfall in recent years,I remember seeing a newspaper front page with a huge picture.

7 posted on 10/11/2012 4:45:47 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: xp38

Ooops,typos.


8 posted on 10/11/2012 4:46:29 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: xp38
Has LA ever had snow?

Yes.

9 posted on 10/11/2012 4:46:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That’s more typical Sydney weather. The heat would come on in Sept, and not stop till next March. Much cooler in recent years.


10 posted on 10/11/2012 4:48:07 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: xp38

11 posted on 10/11/2012 4:48:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: xp38
Has LA ever had snow?

Los Angeles county has some pretty tall mountains, and yes, they get snow every single year.

When my family and I lived in the northernmost neighborhood of L.A. proper, the snow was never more than ten minutes from our house in winter.

12 posted on 10/11/2012 4:49:01 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BlackVeil
it being over a month into spring.

Do Australian calendars run faster than ours in the U.S.?

We're not quite three weeks into autumn up here - how do they get to be over a month into spring?

13 posted on 10/11/2012 4:50:02 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: xp38

Pensacola had a 2” snowfall in the winter of ‘72-’73.

That storm dumped 21” on Macon, Ga and still had enough to drop 5”-7” on Quantico.


14 posted on 10/11/2012 4:50:19 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: BereanBrain; xp38

KTLA News

5:40 a.m. PST, February 28, 2011
LOS ANGELES (KTLA) — A wild storm that brought snow and hail to Los Angeles over the weekend has cleared out, but temperatures will remain chilly, forecasters said.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-california-rain-2011-cold,0,4151998.story


15 posted on 10/11/2012 4:51:30 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: xp38

I have a friend from Sydney. The first time she saw snow was when she came to visit me in Cleveland.

Isn’t it even more unusual to have snow in Canberra?


16 posted on 10/11/2012 4:53:03 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Do Australian calendars run faster than ours in the U.S.?

We're not quite three weeks into autumn up here - how do they get to be over a month into spring?

You are joking, right? :)

17 posted on 10/11/2012 4:53:58 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: xp38
Has LA ever had snow?

Yes, but the natives all thought it was cocaine ...

18 posted on 10/11/2012 4:56:34 PM PDT by x
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To: Izzy Dunne
Southern Hemisphere, seasons are reversed from ours.
19 posted on 10/11/2012 5:01:57 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: BlackVeil

Is Algore in Sydney for one of his famous Global Warming© snake oil shows?


20 posted on 10/11/2012 5:03:36 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: BlackVeil

GLOBULL WARMNG? Coldest OCT 8 in 127 years in Baltimore http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/weather-blog/bal-wx-mondays-chill-tied-100yearold-record-in-baltimore-20121009,0,905634.story

Actual AP Headline: ‘Experts: Global Warming Means More Antarctic Ice’ http://ow.ly/2sCheo


21 posted on 10/11/2012 5:03:39 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: netmilsmom

Canberra is much closer to the region that gets regular snow than Sydney. What’s unusual is it’s Spring and it is fairly unusual to have snow even in the Winter except for a couple of the mountain areas.


22 posted on 10/11/2012 5:06:00 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: Woodman
Southern Hemisphere, seasons are reversed from ours.

Well, duh - I know that.

Try answering the question that I asked, though.

How is it they are OVER A MONTH into spring, when we are NOT QUITE THREE WEEKS into autumn?

23 posted on 10/11/2012 5:11:59 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: BlackVeil

Will this effect the cow races at Mt Compass?


24 posted on 10/11/2012 5:13:07 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: MD Expat in PA
You are joking, right? :)

No, I'm not joking. Read the question again.

25 posted on 10/11/2012 5:13:38 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: xp38

I saw snowflakes in South Miami in the winter of 77 or 78.


26 posted on 10/11/2012 5:15:22 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: BereanBrain

BereanBrain~:” LA has had snow in the last few years (heavy at that), of course you did not see it trumpted in the media because it would embarrass the great ALGORE “

That is why the ‘Greenies’ mantra has been changed from “GLobal Warming” to “GLobal CLimate Change”
And they always want Carbon Tax (Tax increases for government that really doesn’t change anything ).
Just more money for various programs ( owned by thier own bundlers)


27 posted on 10/11/2012 5:16:14 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Islam is a religion AND a political system. There is no separation of church and state in Islam)
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To: onemiddleamerican

“Is Algore in Sydney for one of his famous Global Warming© snake oil shows?”

Too funny!! That was my first thought, you beat me to it!


28 posted on 10/11/2012 5:20:08 PM PDT by Dartman
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To: Rebelbase

I was there too but they got a northern Florida college chick to draw a happy face on a vw bug as a pic for the newspaper.....stupid


29 posted on 10/11/2012 5:21:10 PM PDT by advertising guy (" that lie has it's own sleep number " David Feherty PGA Championship 2012)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Seasons are reversed... spring time snow would be uncommon but possible south of the Twain.


30 posted on 10/11/2012 5:25:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: xp38

Had a dusting of snow in Riverside....40 miles east of L.A. back in the middle 80’s....


31 posted on 10/11/2012 5:30:42 PM PDT by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Cool! I was there.


32 posted on 10/11/2012 5:31:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: xp38

I floated in a pool Christmas Day in Melborne...a few years ago.


33 posted on 10/11/2012 5:32:03 PM PDT by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
We're not quite three weeks into autumn up here - how do they get to be over a month into spring?

The earth's rotation is faster down under. This is because their toilets flush in a different direction.

34 posted on 10/11/2012 5:39:29 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Romney has run a business, an Olympics, and a state. Obama has never run anything but his mouth.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
OK,I didn't take your question that literally.

The short answer is not all countries and regions use the equinoxes to determine seasons.

The Wikipedia answer is as follows:
In the USA and some other regions in the Northern Hemisphere, the astronomical March equinox (currently around 21 March) is often taken to mark the first day of spring, and the Northern solstice is sometimes taken as the first day of summer (usually 21 June in the Northern Hemisphere). In another US tradition, 2 February, Candlemas, can be regarded as the start of spring if it is mild (see Groundhog Day). The US spring season can also be regarded as beginning on the day after Presidents’ Day (the Tuesday after the third Monday in February) and ending on the Friday before Memorial Day weekend (the Friday before the last weekend in May). In South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, spring begins on 1 September, and has no relation to the vernal equinox.”

35 posted on 10/11/2012 5:41:49 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: mass55th

Australians regard the sight of snow as a great novelty. Upon returning from an overseas trip, one is often asked: “Did you see snow?”


36 posted on 10/11/2012 5:53:40 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Izzy Dunne
According to the Australian government, “Spring: September to November”

http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/austn-weather-and-the-seasons

Australia

Main article: Indigenous Australian seasons

The indigenous people of Australia defined the seasons by what was happening to the plants, animals and weather around them. This led to each separate tribal group having different seasons, some with up to eight seasons each year. However most modern Aboriginal Australians and non-aboriginal Australians observe the international meteorological definition for the seasons: 1 September (Spring), 1 December (Summer), 1 March (Autumn), and 1 June (Winter).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Season

There is the “calendar” and astronomical (equinoxes and solstices) marking of the change of seasons and then there is the meteorological and ecological change of seasons. The former depends on where you are located longitude wise and can vary depending on country and continent – not everyone follows our same calendar based convention for marking the change of seasons.

In other words here on the East Coast in the Mid-Atlantic where I live, the calendar said autumn technically began on September 22, at 10:49 A.M. EDT. But the weather can be very summer like through mid October. But if I lived much farther north, say in northern Maine or Canada for instance, autumn, meteorologically and ecologically speaking “autumn” probably started well before September 22nd. Likewise if I lived in South Carolina, “autumn” won’t start for a few more weeks regardless of what the calendar says.

37 posted on 10/11/2012 5:55:59 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: goldstategop
Seasons are reversed...

Yup,got it

...spring time snow would be uncommon but possible south of the Twain.

What/where is "the Twain"?

38 posted on 10/11/2012 6:03:33 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: BlackVeil
Australians regard the sight of snow as a great novelty. Upon returning from an overseas trip, one is often asked: “Did you see snow?”

That would depend however on what part of Australia they were from. Some parts of Australia - the southern most regions, get quite snow, especially in the mountainous regions.

It would be analogous to saying that an American from Miami after visiting Switzerland being asked by others from Miami “Did you see snow?” An American from Minnesota wouldn’t be asked that question. Australia is a very big country with a wide range of climates. Have you never heard of the movie “The Man from Snowy River” – great movie BTW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowy_Mountains

39 posted on 10/11/2012 6:07:55 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Woodman; Izzy Dunne
Southern Hemisphere, seasons are reversed from ours.

For you and anyone else who missed the point, Woodman. Regardless if their seasons are reversed from ours, the spring equinox in Australia exactly coincides with our Autumnal equinox, therefore the time elapsed from their spring should be exactly the same amount of time that has elapsed from our Autumn, and that is what Izzy was referring to. Therefore if we are only about 3 weeks into autumn then Australia can only be about 3 weeks into their spring, not over a month into it.

Apparently Izzy thinks FReepers have brains enough to figure that type of thing out, but evidently some don't.

40 posted on 10/11/2012 6:33:44 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
Apparently you are missing the point. Spring is a relative term, the equinoxes are an absolute. The article did not state x number of days past the equinox, it was relative to their perspective of spring.
41 posted on 10/11/2012 7:02:12 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: netmilsmom

Canberra is somewhat close to the only place it regularly snows in the Australian winter. The appropriately named Snowy Mountains. Nevertheless I am not sure. The ACT mentioned in the article stands for Australian Capitol Territory and includes Canberra so they did get snow in this time.


42 posted on 10/11/2012 9:52:57 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Izzy Dunne
A serious answer to your question from an Australian. The seasons in Australia are not only opposite from those of the northern hemisphere (for obvious geographical reasons relating to the tilt of the earth, as you know) but are also considered to begin on different dates for historical reasons.

In the early days of European settlement, when Australia was settled by military personnel and convicts and everybody was dependent on the government for supplies, both soldiers and convicts were issued with new clothing where necessary on the 1st day of each month. They had two uniforms - summer and winter. By the 1st December, temperatures in the area around Sydney (the first settlement) were already extremely warm - too warm to safely wear winter uniform, so that became the date that summer uniform was issued. Our mild (by European standards) winter meant that issuing winter uniform six months later at the start of June, didn't cause problems (while it can start getting cold in April and May, it's still not bad compared to Europe), and so that was what was done. Over time, these dates became the official start dates for summer and winter for all government purposes and we wound up with four seasons of three calendar months each.

It doesn't work perfectly - March, which is officially part of Autumn is often a very hot month, but it's what we've wound up with.

43 posted on 10/11/2012 11:12:35 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
these dates became the official start dates for summer and winter for all government purposes

OK, so THAT's what I was wondering. The government (and therefore the general populace, I suppose) has adopted their own seasonal start dates of Sept 1, Dec 1, etc.

So, by that calendar, they are over a month into spring.

You learn something every day. Thanks for your explanation.

44 posted on 10/12/2012 3:25:46 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
So, by that calendar, they are over a month into spring.

Although I've never been there during their winter my limited experience at other times of the year is that the climate is pretty mild...certainly when compared to the winters of Minnesota or even parts of Georgia,for example.The one exception to that "moderate weather" observation that I experienced was a visit to the "outback" in early March.My God was it hot!

45 posted on 10/12/2012 8:27:42 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Izzy Dunne
We're not quite three weeks into autumn up here - how do they get to be over a month into spring?

Because in the Southern Hemisphere we manage to be punctual and start our seasons on the first day of the month, not three weeks later.

46 posted on 10/12/2012 9:53:05 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: BlackVeil
Springtime in sunny South Australia

47 posted on 10/12/2012 9:56:24 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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