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CNN Poll on debate winner: Ryan 48%, Biden 44%
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Posted on 10/11/2012 9:41:50 PM PDT by Arthurio

(CNN) – A CNN poll of debate watchers released following Thursday's matchup between Rep. Paul Ryan and Vice President Joe Biden showed 48% of respondents named Ryan the winner and 44% said Biden won.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; 2012polls; 2012veep; biden; debate; elections; obama; romney; ryan; vpdebate
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To: Arthurio

Destined to go down in the annals of political farces, tonight’s debate proved one thing; just how increasingly desperate, juvenile, and out of touch Democrats really are as the election nears. Debates are supposed to be informative, professional forums that invoke a constructive discussion of the most pressing issues. Yet, it’s obvious Team Obama – which includes the home town moderator - realized they could not beat Ryan on the issues, so they decided to turn a democratic staple for the voting masses into a prime time circus replete with century-old, stale stereotypes and Jersey Shore sensationalism.

If anyone actually believes Biden’s obnoxious and smug performance won anything, especially votes, they are in for a rude awakening on November 6th. The fact countless independent voters - those who are the most immune to partisan spin - were appalled by Biden’s rude and condescending behavior, as well as the moderator’s blatant favoritism, is case in point. Then again, if you really want to know who won the debate, go back – if you dare – and keep score on every issue. There are no points for interruptions, smirks, tantrums or seizures….just sound, coherent, factually correct answers. Or, for the sake of brevity, you can sit back and recall that 23 million are out of work, 47 million are on food stamps, over 7 million homes have been foreclosed since 2008 and gas is $4 a gallon. But “honest” Joe didn’t mention that, did he? The circus never does.


51 posted on 10/11/2012 10:34:22 PM PDT by xuberalles ("The Right Stuff" Conservative Novelties http://www.zazzle.com/xuberalles)
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To: Anti-Hillary

The GOP is out with a SUPERB video of Joe Biteme’s condescending laughter in serious matters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtemaHgjyA&feature=player_embedded

Spread this video around!!!

Of course along with the Drunk Joe Biteme video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQat

(And this guy is a heartbeat away from the POTUS???) Help!


52 posted on 10/11/2012 10:36:20 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Innovative

“We had no idea that they needed more security!”

- Joe Biden on Benghazi


53 posted on 10/11/2012 10:36:40 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Bigtigermike
Ryan could stand to lose the Eddie Munster hair cut

Biden behaved like more of a Cheech and Chong impersonator than a top level executive

54 posted on 10/11/2012 10:39:19 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: Arthurio

I think this was a Wellstone funeral moment.

Like then, the left thought it went just fine, and are not going to understand the negative impression it leaves on voters, especially independents, blue dogs, and normal women. They believe their own hype, and their own fairy-tales about Republicans, and therefore this (like the Wellstone funeral) was justified and even heroic. Those who are sane, will merely see this as repulsive.

If the storyline of the first debate was that Romney was likeable, and presidential, while Obama was an over-his-head schoolboy being chastised for doing poorly, the storyline for this debate — the one that will stick with voters — is that Biden is boorish, classless, and rude, and Ryan, while clearly new to this kind of stage, has poise and character.

This may help galvanize the radical part of the democratic base. But that is the only positive thing they can draw from it. Attracting independent women, Reagan democrats, and independents just got that much harder.


55 posted on 10/11/2012 10:40:40 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: JohnBrowdie

Wow. Is the NBC and AP poll real polls or the anyone can vote online poll?


56 posted on 10/11/2012 10:43:05 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: bronxville

oops sorry


57 posted on 10/11/2012 10:55:34 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: snarkytart
Something I found at Breitbart........When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet. Proverbs 29:9-
Gotta love the Bible, it is always pertinent.
58 posted on 10/11/2012 10:59:36 PM PDT by Wj33
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To: snarkytart
Something I found at Breitbart........When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet. Proverbs 29:9-
Gotta love the Bible, it is always pertinent.
59 posted on 10/11/2012 10:59:41 PM PDT by Wj33
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To: snarkytart
Something I found at Breitbart........When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quiet. Proverbs 29:9-
Gotta love the Bible, it is always pertinent.
60 posted on 10/11/2012 10:59:59 PM PDT by Wj33
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To: workerbee

We watched C-span, only a split-screen of Ryan and Biden. Biden just looked as though he thought it was okay to smile, laugh and roll his eyes no matter what was being said. The moderator asked some good questions and some inane ones; mostly she was interrupting Ryan’s answers.


61 posted on 10/11/2012 11:08:11 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Wj33

True!


62 posted on 10/11/2012 11:28:39 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: TMA62

He does that (craps the bed) every time he’s turned loose without a ‘minder’. Still, those six power sessions he did with the douchebag Axelrod seemed to make him a little less gaffe-prone tonight, but he’ll always be an asshole. That will never change...


63 posted on 10/11/2012 11:30:02 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.)
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To: TigerClaws
He was overplaying it to make up for Obama.

When only a Presidential "Face Palm" will suffice.

Spokeshave and family will sleep well tonight.

64 posted on 10/12/2012 12:04:30 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Arthurio; kristinn; STARWISE

Greta Van Sustern claimed that there was an NBC (!) poll that Ryan won 56% to Biden’s 36%. Anyone find that one?


65 posted on 10/12/2012 12:22:28 AM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: Revel; NautiNurse; StarFan; stanz; kristinn; LS
And Ryan had to debate two people at once. Both Biden, and the moderator. Ryan was being team tagged.

I thought Raddatz was absolutely awful tonight. Even fellow liberal Gwen Ifill did a better job four years ago with Sarah and Biden.

I'm stunned some members of Frank Luntz' focus group thought Martha Raddatz did "an excellent job". Not the brightest focus group I've seen from Luntz...

66 posted on 10/12/2012 12:25:40 AM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: xuberalles

Great post. (#51)


67 posted on 10/12/2012 12:29:18 AM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: Arthurio

This poll was of a group of viewers CNN picked themselves. I noticed they quit mentioning it pretty quickly.


68 posted on 10/12/2012 12:34:26 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: One Name; All
overplayed, obnoxious,clown. Rude, crass, arrogant, condescending w/o basis

Biden was just how I expected he'd be.

I dozed off listening to his "charm" but I had to get up early. He tried to dominate the younger Ryan. I thought Biden did pretty well considering. Ryan seemed to stay on message though and at least made some effort to engage the moderator's questions. Biden seemed to spend his time trying to talk over Ryan and using his time not to talk Obama policy but to whine and attack Romney.

I think Ryan was smart to remind people Obama had a unified government his first two years and get everything he wanted. The Iran discussion was ridiculous. Biden attacked Ryan for pushing the tough sanctions on Iran while saying the sanctions are working.

I think Biden's mention of Sara Palin and his demeanor tells us the campaign is not going well for Obama internally.

69 posted on 10/12/2012 12:49:23 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Osama's dead... and so is our ambassador - Coulter.)
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To: nutmeg

I went to NBC’s page could not find anything. I think Greta has the 56% to blowhard???


70 posted on 10/12/2012 12:50:44 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Arthurio

71 posted on 10/12/2012 1:02:00 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: kevao
What did you think about Biden?

I came late to the debate at about half way through it.

Not having seen the first half and not having been prompted by anything I'd heard anyplace, my first thought was about hearing Paul Ryan speak. I'd come into a segment on economics and Ryan was being continually interrupted by the moderator and by Biden. She wouldn't let him speak an entire sentence or an entire thought.

The next question was for Biden and the thought came to me: "This man is angry." He sounded angry; he looked angry; and Ryan was acting like a guy in a bar with an acquaintance who'd tied on an angry drunk.

Then Biden was interrupting again, a lots of times with a dismissive laugh or noise.

When Ryan was able to speak in entire sentences, he made perfect sense. I was pleased at his composure. I kept wondering when he bust out on Biden's derision, but he held it together. The Gingrich ability to nail someone mid-debate for inappropriateness is rare, and I'm glad Ryan didn't try to go there.

I was almost thinking Biden was TRYING to get an angry response from Ryan. I don't think it was the derisive interruptions that was the point.

I think they might have been pushing to get Ryan to lash out. Then he would have been too young, unable to control temper, not presidential caliber, etc., etc. as the morning headline.

72 posted on 10/12/2012 1:02:48 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
“The next question was for Biden and the thought came to me: “This man is angry.” He sounded angry; he looked angry; and Ryan was acting like a guy in a bar with an acquaintance who'd tied on an angry drunk.”

That's a brilliant synopsis. Maybe the RNC should run and add with Ryan as the sober designated driver for the disinhibited tipsy Biden. “When your colleague's judgment is impaired, someone has to be the responsible one and take the keys away.”

73 posted on 10/12/2012 2:15:26 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Revel

And Ryan had to debate two people at once. Both Biden, and the moderator. Ryan was being team tagged.”

...fully agreed! Ryan came off as likeable and Biden was the crazy bully. America will take likeable any day.


74 posted on 10/12/2012 2:19:55 AM PDT by albie ("Work as if you were to live a hundred years. Pray as if you were to die tomorrow." Benjamin Frankli)
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To: TMA62
Yes it will set in because everyone has worked for or has known someone with his smirky attitude
and inflammatory condescension to prop themselves up.


People who think they know-Joe either fear him or want something from him because this
guy is not the kind of person you just sit down with and have a beer, without a fist fight.

75 posted on 10/12/2012 2:29:11 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Arthurio
Biden on the Weighty Issues

Our Ambassador to Libya and three other U. S. nationals were slaughtered.  Obama and the State Department refused to give them adequate security staffing.



The U. S. is seen in the region as a slipping super-power...  This is resulting in destabalization, threats to allies, and a leadership vacuum that will lead to threats to peace elsewhere.



Russia and China are vetoing our attempts to get Iran in line.  It may have the bomb in six months to a year, and ways to deliver it threatening Israel and Europe.



Tens of millions of U. S. Citizens are out of work, or are working for dimes on the dollar, compared to what they were earning four years ago.  In Biden's own home town, the unemployment rate is 10%.



Medicare and Social Security are going broke.  Ryan and Romney have a plan.  Obama doesn't.



The Obama/Biden deficit spending is adding a trillion dollars to the U. S. debt each year.



Our military cuts are poised to destroy our defense industry, leaving us with fewer top rate defense contractors, and a military service on a par with our 1915 defense structure.



Obama/Biden have been a domestic failure.  They have been a foreign policy failure.  The nation is in serious decline.



I disagree that this debate won't move anyone in any direction.

First Obama wasn't serious.  Now Biden thinks it's all a great big joke.

Folks, you're underestimating the damage Biden did to the ticket last night. If CNN and NBC are picking up on it, severe damage has been done.
76 posted on 10/12/2012 2:31:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (The U. S. Democrat Party, Al Queda's U. S. front organization. And the rank and file has no clue.)
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To: Arthurio
Twitter: media put off by the grinning/laughing jackass Biden

Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway: “Joe Biden’s laughing through talking about Iran sanctions?”

Washington Examiner’s Philip Klein: “Biden’s strategy seems to be to laugh at Ryan constantly. Will it work to infantalize Ryan, or backfire like Gore sighing?”

NBC’s David Gregory: “Biden’s smile is out of control.”

BuzzFeed’s Ben Smith: “So did Biden practice laughing at Ryan???”

ABC’s Rick Klein: “Biden on verge of breaking down in laughter when Ryan talks.”

Former Eric Cantor staffer Brad Dayspring: “Joe Biden needs to realize this isn’t a Senate Foreign Relations Hearing. His laughter and condescending attitude is a disaster.”

Radio host Neal Boortz: “Looking like Biden’s gameplan is to laugh his way through this.”

Townhall.com’s Guy Benson: “Will Biden laugh his ass off at the terrible economy, too?”

MSNBC’s S.E. Cupp: “Biden needs to laugh a little less through the Libya, Middle East, nuclear Iran segment.”

Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Ok. I have decided. I find the Biden smile slightly unsettling.”

PBS’ Jeff Greenfield: “Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate.”

Washington Examiner’s Paul Bedard: “Can’t tell yet if Biden’s smirking, laughs, eye-rolling, head shaking, works for him or not against the oh-so-young looking eager Ryan.”

Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer: “Biden is at risk of having his laugh come across like Gore’s sighs. He should knock it off.”

The New York Times’ Ashley Parker: “Biden’s grin is Chesire Cat caliber.”

Republican strategist Ron Bonjean: “Biden laughing does not come off with the intended effect. It is actually hurting him. Looks very condescending.”

Movie critic Roger Ebert: “Joe! Stop smiling and laughing!”

Washington Times’ Emily Miller: “Biden laughing when he disagrees with Ryan is so annoying. Like a child in time out.”

Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin: “Biden’s laughing is losing the debate- obnoxious”

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...

77 posted on 10/12/2012 2:53:10 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: AlanGreenSpam

The laughing joe biteme ad is very good.


78 posted on 10/12/2012 3:10:47 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: Innovative
Right now it's :

9414 for Ryan

5026 for Biden.
79 posted on 10/12/2012 3:25:14 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Arthurio

Out of 26 undecideds in the FOX focus group, NOT ONE changed their vote based on the VP debate.


80 posted on 10/12/2012 3:27:22 AM PDT by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: TMA62
" I think that within a day or two, it will set in with the public of what an asshole Biden was. is


There now, fixed.
81 posted on 10/12/2012 3:27:33 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
" This debate will not move anyone toward or away from Obama or Romney. The voters have already decided. "

I have to happily respectfully disagree.

He turned off women voters.
He turned off those women voters who may have already made their minds up, those who might not have voted.

82 posted on 10/12/2012 3:33:13 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: newzjunkey
I think Biden's mention of Sara Palin

Didn't watch, what was that all about?

Palin is still living rent free in their heads.

83 posted on 10/12/2012 3:35:41 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Anti-Hillary
Women were offended and cringed.
Women can spot these types of men a mile away...
84 posted on 10/12/2012 3:38:09 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Anti-Hillary

If it was so obvious to some men ? imagine how women took it. ?


85 posted on 10/12/2012 3:39:14 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Revel

I saw that! She allowed Biden to cut Ryan off than she would cut Ryan off as soon as he made a point that she didn’t want to hear! Just totally rediculous!


86 posted on 10/12/2012 4:18:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: ez
Out of 26 undecideds in the FOX focus group, NOT ONE changed their vote based on the VP debate.
So the undecided were not changing their decisions, huh?
I must be going crazy, because that sentence kinda makes sense, but defies logic also.
87 posted on 10/12/2012 4:25:57 AM PDT by ME-262 (Ichabod)
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To: Arthurio

The Quick vote on CNN.com this morning has it Biden 64% Ryan 36%. Apparently the Bureau of Labor Statistics is tabulating this poll.


88 posted on 10/12/2012 4:42:48 AM PDT by trublu
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To: Bigtigermike

Though Biden rudeness undoubtedly fired up the base.

They were lapping it up at the Democratic Underground tonight.


89 posted on 10/12/2012 5:06:26 AM PDT by Eurotwit ("Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.")
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To: ETL
Piers Morgan even was annoyed with Biden
90 posted on 10/12/2012 5:26:07 AM PDT by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: Arthurio

Twitter feeds

CNN: 51% say Ryan more in touch with average person problems. 44% say Biden.

CNN poll: 57% @JoeBiden is qualified to be President, 60% @PaulRyanVP is.

AP Poll: Ryan 51% Biden 43%


91 posted on 10/12/2012 5:34:07 AM PDT by Perdogg (Vote like the US Constitution depends on it - it does!!)
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To: KTM rider
Ryan could stand to lose the Eddie Munster hair cut

hmmm...I've always thought he looked like a young Ronald Reagan.


92 posted on 10/12/2012 5:36:35 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Perdogg

The Dems showed who they are. Small minded, rude and generally unlikeable.


93 posted on 10/12/2012 5:38:03 AM PDT by animal172 (Go Paul Ryan. Chew 'em up and spit 'em out.)
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To: TigerClaws

The “moderates” I hear from, the ones who like to bash/chide “both sides”, say Biden was rude and obnoxious.

Most of the hard left wing Hussein Heads really liked the “moderator”’s performance, often declared her the winner, didn’t have much if anything to say about Biden.

The other hard left wing Hussein Heads egged on Biden, “Go get ‘im, Joe” was common.


94 posted on 10/12/2012 5:46:51 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Interesting.

What was the goal of each? Ryan was to win over undecideds and independents. He stayed calm and didn’t react to Joe’s show.

Joe. He had to motivate his base. Volunteers and their core voters didn’t see Obama even wanted to win. Biden couldn’t go after the undecideds because their whole campaign was on the ropes. So he did fire up the base. But at the cost of alienating undecideds, particularly women who hate arrogant, interrupting men.

Biden is too experienced not to have planed his whole schtick for a specific purpose. Obama camp was their target. Understandable but looking at the post-debate polls it likely won’t stop the downward spiral.

Biden also created a “sweet spot” for Obama. Joe was so over the top obnoxious, Obama can now toughen up his game a bit and still not appear obnoxious.


95 posted on 10/12/2012 5:56:25 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Arthurio

I tried to view it through the lense as the average uninformed voter, in that case I would call it a draw. However, as a FReeper, I knew that Biden did nothing but spew lies and nonsense!


96 posted on 10/12/2012 5:57:34 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Arthurio

I couldn’t stand that vile old man LAUGHING as Paul Ryan discussed the Following Issues:

Unemployment,
The Economy,
Iran’s Nuclear Ambitions,
The Obscene negligence of the Administration which caused the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi

It was DISGUSTING.


97 posted on 10/12/2012 6:10:05 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: DoughtyOne; kingattax

Ping to brilliant post #76!

Thanks, Doughty One.


98 posted on 10/12/2012 6:22:54 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: Darnright

The only thing missing is a gold chain and a pinky ring.


99 posted on 10/12/2012 6:40:50 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Arthurio

Biden’s childish bullying appeals to his base. Which are mostly a bunch of childish bullies.
If Biden (team 0) had done a great job these last 4 years I woiuldn’t care if he was a jerk.
However, Biden (team zero) did not improve the economy or the jobs situation PLUS they are jerks..?


100 posted on 10/12/2012 6:47:12 AM PDT by Leep (Forward! to serfdom)
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