Skip to comments.CNN Poll on debate winner: Ryan 48%, Biden 44%
Posted on 10/11/2012 9:41:50 PM PDT by Arthurio
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Destined to go down in the annals of political farces, tonights debate proved one thing; just how increasingly desperate, juvenile, and out of touch Democrats really are as the election nears. Debates are supposed to be informative, professional forums that invoke a constructive discussion of the most pressing issues. Yet, its obvious Team Obama which includes the home town moderator - realized they could not beat Ryan on the issues, so they decided to turn a democratic staple for the voting masses into a prime time circus replete with century-old, stale stereotypes and Jersey Shore sensationalism.
If anyone actually believes Bidens obnoxious and smug performance won anything, especially votes, they are in for a rude awakening on November 6th. The fact countless independent voters - those who are the most immune to partisan spin - were appalled by Bidens rude and condescending behavior, as well as the moderators blatant favoritism, is case in point. Then again, if you really want to know who won the debate, go back if you dare and keep score on every issue. There are no points for interruptions, smirks, tantrums or seizures .just sound, coherent, factually correct answers. Or, for the sake of brevity, you can sit back and recall that 23 million are out of work, 47 million are on food stamps, over 7 million homes have been foreclosed since 2008 and gas is $4 a gallon. But honest Joe didnt mention that, did he? The circus never does.
The GOP is out with a SUPERB video of Joe Biteme’s condescending laughter in serious matters:
Spread this video around!!!
Of course along with the Drunk Joe Biteme video:
(And this guy is a heartbeat away from the POTUS???) Help!
We had no idea that they needed more security!
- Joe Biden on Benghazi
Biden behaved like more of a Cheech and Chong impersonator than a top level executive
I think this was a Wellstone funeral moment.
Like then, the left thought it went just fine, and are not going to understand the negative impression it leaves on voters, especially independents, blue dogs, and normal women. They believe their own hype, and their own fairy-tales about Republicans, and therefore this (like the Wellstone funeral) was justified and even heroic. Those who are sane, will merely see this as repulsive.
If the storyline of the first debate was that Romney was likeable, and presidential, while Obama was an over-his-head schoolboy being chastised for doing poorly, the storyline for this debate — the one that will stick with voters — is that Biden is boorish, classless, and rude, and Ryan, while clearly new to this kind of stage, has poise and character.
This may help galvanize the radical part of the democratic base. But that is the only positive thing they can draw from it. Attracting independent women, Reagan democrats, and independents just got that much harder.
Wow. Is the NBC and AP poll real polls or the anyone can vote online poll?
We watched C-span, only a split-screen of Ryan and Biden. Biden just looked as though he thought it was okay to smile, laugh and roll his eyes no matter what was being said. The moderator asked some good questions and some inane ones; mostly she was interrupting Ryan’s answers.
He does that (craps the bed) every time he’s turned loose without a ‘minder’. Still, those six power sessions he did with the douchebag Axelrod seemed to make him a little less gaffe-prone tonight, but he’ll always be an asshole. That will never change...
When only a Presidential "Face Palm" will suffice.
Spokeshave and family will sleep well tonight.
Greta Van Sustern claimed that there was an NBC (!) poll that Ryan won 56% to Biden’s 36%. Anyone find that one?
I thought Raddatz was absolutely awful tonight. Even fellow liberal Gwen Ifill did a better job four years ago with Sarah and Biden.
I'm stunned some members of Frank Luntz' focus group thought Martha Raddatz did "an excellent job". Not the brightest focus group I've seen from Luntz...
Great post. (#51)
This poll was of a group of viewers CNN picked themselves. I noticed they quit mentioning it pretty quickly.
Biden was just how I expected he'd be.
I dozed off listening to his "charm" but I had to get up early. He tried to dominate the younger Ryan. I thought Biden did pretty well considering. Ryan seemed to stay on message though and at least made some effort to engage the moderator's questions. Biden seemed to spend his time trying to talk over Ryan and using his time not to talk Obama policy but to whine and attack Romney.
I think Ryan was smart to remind people Obama had a unified government his first two years and get everything he wanted. The Iran discussion was ridiculous. Biden attacked Ryan for pushing the tough sanctions on Iran while saying the sanctions are working.
I think Biden's mention of Sara Palin and his demeanor tells us the campaign is not going well for Obama internally.
I went to NBC’s page could not find anything. I think Greta has the 56% to blowhard???
I came late to the debate at about half way through it.
Not having seen the first half and not having been prompted by anything I'd heard anyplace, my first thought was about hearing Paul Ryan speak. I'd come into a segment on economics and Ryan was being continually interrupted by the moderator and by Biden. She wouldn't let him speak an entire sentence or an entire thought.
The next question was for Biden and the thought came to me: "This man is angry." He sounded angry; he looked angry; and Ryan was acting like a guy in a bar with an acquaintance who'd tied on an angry drunk.
Then Biden was interrupting again, a lots of times with a dismissive laugh or noise.
When Ryan was able to speak in entire sentences, he made perfect sense. I was pleased at his composure. I kept wondering when he bust out on Biden's derision, but he held it together. The Gingrich ability to nail someone mid-debate for inappropriateness is rare, and I'm glad Ryan didn't try to go there.
I was almost thinking Biden was TRYING to get an angry response from Ryan. I don't think it was the derisive interruptions that was the point.
I think they might have been pushing to get Ryan to lash out. Then he would have been too young, unable to control temper, not presidential caliber, etc., etc. as the morning headline.
That's a brilliant synopsis. Maybe the RNC should run and add with Ryan as the sober designated driver for the disinhibited tipsy Biden. “When your colleague's judgment is impaired, someone has to be the responsible one and take the keys away.”
And Ryan had to debate two people at once. Both Biden, and the moderator. Ryan was being team tagged.”
...fully agreed! Ryan came off as likeable and Biden was the crazy bully. America will take likeable any day.
People who think they know-Joe either fear him or want something from him because this
guy is not the kind of person you just sit down with and have a beer, without a fist fight.
Weekly Standards Mark Hemingway: Joe Bidens laughing through talking about Iran sanctions?
Washington Examiners Philip Klein: Bidens strategy seems to be to laugh at Ryan constantly. Will it work to infantalize Ryan, or backfire like Gore sighing?
NBCs David Gregory: Bidens smile is out of control.
BuzzFeeds Ben Smith: So did Biden practice laughing at Ryan???
ABCs Rick Klein: Biden on verge of breaking down in laughter when Ryan talks.
Former Eric Cantor staffer Brad Dayspring: Joe Biden needs to realize this isnt a Senate Foreign Relations Hearing. His laughter and condescending attitude is a disaster.
Radio host Neal Boortz: Looking like Bidens gameplan is to laugh his way through this.
Townhall.coms Guy Benson: Will Biden laugh his ass off at the terrible economy, too?
MSNBCs S.E. Cupp: Biden needs to laugh a little less through the Libya, Middle East, nuclear Iran segment.
Washington Posts Chris Cillizza: Ok. I have decided. I find the Biden smile slightly unsettling.
PBS Jeff Greenfield: Biden has always had a smile that at times is really, really inappropriate.
Washington Examiners Paul Bedard: Cant tell yet if Bidens smirking, laughs, eye-rolling, head shaking, works for him or not against the oh-so-young looking eager Ryan.
Former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer: Biden is at risk of having his laugh come across like Gores sighs. He should knock it off.
The New York Times Ashley Parker: Bidens grin is Chesire Cat caliber.
Republican strategist Ron Bonjean: Biden laughing does not come off with the intended effect. It is actually hurting him. Looks very condescending.
Movie critic Roger Ebert: Joe! Stop smiling and laughing!
Washington Times Emily Miller: Biden laughing when he disagrees with Ryan is so annoying. Like a child in time out.
Washington Posts Jennifer Rubin: Bidens laughing is losing the debate- obnoxious
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The laughing joe biteme ad is very good.
Out of 26 undecideds in the FOX focus group, NOT ONE changed their vote based on the VP debate.
Didn't watch, what was that all about?
Palin is still living rent free in their heads.
If it was so obvious to some men ? imagine how women took it. ?
I saw that! She allowed Biden to cut Ryan off than she would cut Ryan off as soon as he made a point that she didn’t want to hear! Just totally rediculous!
The Quick vote on CNN.com this morning has it Biden 64% Ryan 36%. Apparently the Bureau of Labor Statistics is tabulating this poll.
Though Biden rudeness undoubtedly fired up the base.
They were lapping it up at the Democratic Underground tonight.
CNN: 51% say Ryan more in touch with average person problems. 44% say Biden.
CNN poll: 57% @JoeBiden is qualified to be President, 60% @PaulRyanVP is.
AP Poll: Ryan 51% Biden 43%
The Dems showed who they are. Small minded, rude and generally unlikeable.
The “moderates” I hear from, the ones who like to bash/chide “both sides”, say Biden was rude and obnoxious.
Most of the hard left wing Hussein Heads really liked the “moderator”’s performance, often declared her the winner, didn’t have much if anything to say about Biden.
The other hard left wing Hussein Heads egged on Biden, “Go get ‘im, Joe” was common.
What was the goal of each? Ryan was to win over undecideds and independents. He stayed calm and didn’t react to Joe’s show.
Joe. He had to motivate his base. Volunteers and their core voters didn’t see Obama even wanted to win. Biden couldn’t go after the undecideds because their whole campaign was on the ropes. So he did fire up the base. But at the cost of alienating undecideds, particularly women who hate arrogant, interrupting men.
Biden is too experienced not to have planed his whole schtick for a specific purpose. Obama camp was their target. Understandable but looking at the post-debate polls it likely won’t stop the downward spiral.
Biden also created a “sweet spot” for Obama. Joe was so over the top obnoxious, Obama can now toughen up his game a bit and still not appear obnoxious.
I tried to view it through the lense as the average uninformed voter, in that case I would call it a draw. However, as a FReeper, I knew that Biden did nothing but spew lies and nonsense!
I couldn’t stand that vile old man LAUGHING as Paul Ryan discussed the Following Issues:
Iran’s Nuclear Ambitions,
The Obscene negligence of the Administration which caused the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi
It was DISGUSTING.
Ping to brilliant post #76!
Thanks, Doughty One.
The only thing missing is a gold chain and a pinky ring.
Biden’s childish bullying appeals to his base. Which are mostly a bunch of childish bullies.
If Biden (team 0) had done a great job these last 4 years I woiuldn’t care if he was a jerk.
However, Biden (team zero) did not improve the economy or the jobs situation PLUS they are jerks..?