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Noonan: Confusing Strength With Aggression (Noonan nails it)
wsj ^ | 10/12/2012 | peggy noonan

Posted on 10/12/2012 4:59:38 AM PDT by barryobi

Last week Mr. Obama was weirdly passive. Last night Mr. Biden was weirdly aggressive, if that is the right word for someone who grimaces, laughs derisively, interrupts, hectors, rolls his eyes, browbeats and attempts to bully. He meant to dominate, to seem strong and no-nonsense. Sometimes he did—he had his moments. But he was also disrespectful and full of bluster. "Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy!" he snapped at one point. It was an echo of Lloyd Bentsen to Dan Quayle, in 1988. But Mr. Quayle, who had compared himself to Kennedy, had invited the insult. Mr. Ryan had not. It came from nowhere. Did Mr. Biden look good? No, he looked mean and second-rate. He meant to undercut Mr. Ryan, but he undercut himself. His grimaces and laughter were reminiscent of Al Gore's sighs in 2000—theatrical, off-putting and in the end self-indicting.

I have just realized the problem with the debate: it was the weird distance between style and content, and the degree to which Mr. Biden's style poisoned his content.

In terms of content—the seriousness and strength of one's positions and the ability to argue for them—the debate was probably a draw, with both candidates having strong moments. But in terms of style, Mr. Biden was so childishly manipulative that it will be surprising if independents and undecideds liked what they saw.

National Democrats keep confusing strength with aggression and command with sarcasm. Even the latter didn't work for Mr. Biden. The things he said had the rhythm and smirk of sarcasm without the cutting substance.

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KEYWORDS: 2012debates; biden; clownbiden; disresepctfulbiden; jokerbiden; noonan; obama; rudebiden; tyan
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Watching Tom Brokaw on Morning Joe this morning, he said about the same thing. Joe lost the debate with his behavior. Any points he scored on policy, he more than gave away on style.
1 posted on 10/12/2012 4:59:41 AM PDT by barryobi
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To: barryobi

He came away as Certifiably Crazy and RUDE.


2 posted on 10/12/2012 5:03:04 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: barryobi
This was posted and should be posted on every thread about the Ryan-Biden debate. God has the answer for Biden's behavior.

Proverbs 29:9 When a wise man has a controversy with a foolish man, the foolish man either rages or laughs, and there is no rest.

3 posted on 10/12/2012 5:03:29 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: barryobi

Joe Biden is in way over his Peters Principle head.

And he is an A-hole.


4 posted on 10/12/2012 5:03:56 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: barryobi

Finally Noonan says something for which I can agree. It’s been awhile.


5 posted on 10/12/2012 5:05:47 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: barryobi

They used to say, somewhat unfairly, that Hillary Clinton reminded every divorced man of his first wife.

Last night, Joe Biden reminded every divorced woman of her first husband.

One of Romney’s strongest points is that he will work with everybody and listen to what everybody has to say in the legislative process. Biden debates the way Obama governs, listening to nobody and talking over the opposition.


6 posted on 10/12/2012 5:08:46 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!)
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To: barryobi

I nearly always disagree with Noonan...but she does make a good case this time.


7 posted on 10/12/2012 5:09:35 AM PDT by RochesterNYconservative (ROMNEY/RYAN 20121)
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To: barryobi
"National Democrats keep confusing strength with aggression and command with sarcasm."

Sorry, Peggy, but there is no confusion on their part. It it the essence of what they are: rude, arrogant, and condescending. It is why I stopped speaking to, and associating with leftists long ago. Oxygen and time are commodities too precious to waste in debate with their ilk.
8 posted on 10/12/2012 5:13:32 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: Haiku Guy
Last night, Joe Biden reminded every divorced woman of her first husband.

My point, raised in this essay.

9 posted on 10/12/2012 5:15:00 AM PDT by Lazamataz (WAAAAAAAAAHHHhhhhh.....)
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To: barryobi

Look at the thread right above this one on bullying. Poor Joe must have been bullied as a 15-year-old and now it’s time for payback.


10 posted on 10/12/2012 5:16:04 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: barryobi

I think BiteMe’s strategy was to keep him from answering to his record. It worked to some degree but he looked like a jackass in the process.


11 posted on 10/12/2012 5:16:49 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I wonder if Biden was advised to keep interrupting Ryan so that he would not be able to complete his very effective arguments — an Alinsky-like approach.


12 posted on 10/12/2012 5:17:47 AM PDT by buridan
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To: barryobi

Comparing to Jack Kennedy. Kennedy died in 1963, Ryan was born in 1970. Joe Biden really going into ancient history to try and slam Paul Ryan. How old is Joe?


13 posted on 10/12/2012 5:17:54 AM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: barryobi

Comparing to Jack Kennedy. Kennedy died in 1963, Ryan was born in 1970. Joe Biden really going into ancient history to try and slam Paul Ryan. How old is Joe?


14 posted on 10/12/2012 5:18:00 AM PDT by YukonGreen
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To: PowderMonkey

You’re correct this is how the leftists operate 24/7. They are the essence of arrogant.


15 posted on 10/12/2012 5:20:02 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Past Your Eyes

After a while, I began thinking back to the Thomas confirmation hearings. That was way back in 91 and Joe acted like this back then. He was kind of like an attorney in the courtroom can be, badgering and baiting. He has learned the Lunchbucket Joe schtick convincingly, but the derision of Romney/Ryan was too much. Call him Archie Bunker.


16 posted on 10/12/2012 5:25:53 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: barryobi

Liberalism 101: if you can’t be right, be rude.


17 posted on 10/12/2012 5:28:14 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: barryobi

Liberalism 101: if you can’t be right, be rude.


18 posted on 10/12/2012 5:28:26 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: barryobi

I agree with Noonan’s assessment. Biden’s behavior was more than just off-putting to me and my husband. I support the Romney-Ryan ticket and was definitely annoyed by his behavior, but imagine how frustrated an undecided voter (the people the debaters are trying to sway) felt when they were waiting for Ryan to finish his points, and either Biden or the moderator interrupted time and time again.

The other thought that we had last night was that Ryan seemed much more even, respectful, and Vice Presidential. He is the man that we want sitting across the table from other world leaders, NOT that grinning, laughing, condescending a$$ named Biden. It is no wonder to me that the state of the US foreign affairs is in the condition it is now with the two losers running the show. One is a petulant, whiney baby, and the other is a blustering, condescending boob.


19 posted on 10/12/2012 5:28:52 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: PowderMonkey

Well said.....Biden is a typical “liberal”....rude, loud, in your face...and short on substance. I disagree with Peggy about the moderator. She was in on this and when I saw both looking and arguing at Ryan....I became very angry. BUT I must say, Ryan held his own.


20 posted on 10/12/2012 5:30:10 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: Ann Archy

We had a neighbor who always cackled when you spoke to him... I think his mind was gone and that’s the only way he could interact with anyone.

No matter what you said... ‘good morning’, ‘how ya doin?’, etc... cackle, cackle... It was always the same and went on invariably until we just stopped talking to him. We thought he lost his mind or his hearing ... so he ALWAYS cackled like a lunatic with the hope that he was responding properly to ‘whatever’ was said to him-rather than admit that he didn’t hear us or didn’t understand what we were talking about.

It was his stock response to life and the dead give-away that he was completely OUT OF TOUCH without the least concern for BEING out of touch!


21 posted on 10/12/2012 5:32:02 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SMARTY

Whew....thank GOD he wasn’t VP!!


22 posted on 10/12/2012 5:33:58 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: MNGal
Great comments, reflected the thoughts of my wife and I as we watched.

I am amazed that Biden didn't have enough sense to behave respectfully. This should go down in history as the Biden “Laugh Gaff.”

23 posted on 10/12/2012 5:34:07 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: barryobi

——— It came from nowhere.——

It was during the tax cut phase of the debate. I think the pre programmed line was uttered in the belief Ryan said Kennedy tax cut increased revenue.

Ryan didn’t actually didn’t say it or perhaps didn’t have the chance to say it, but Biden blurted the pre programmed line any way. His hair trigger misfired


24 posted on 10/12/2012 5:36:31 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: MNGal
Thank you for this post and sharing your opinion. What you wrote is simple yet very poignant. The only people who probably got a kick out of Biden would be the Kos and DU crowd.
I doubt the undecided voter or those leaning Romney were persuaded by Biden and more than likely completely offended and turned off by his antics.
25 posted on 10/12/2012 5:38:46 AM PDT by snarkytart
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sfl


26 posted on 10/12/2012 5:39:18 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: Ann Archy
Ha!!

Our old neighbor was harmless.... but Slow Joe was chosen to give a pretense of formality to the otherwise and completely IRREGULAR and ILLICIT activities of “O’s” administration.

Think of it.... why ELSE would a minority Presidential nominee want such a demonstrably irrelevant and laughably malleable cypher for a running mate?

27 posted on 10/12/2012 5:40:56 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: snarkytart

Bottom line is we were score this like a football game Ryan won 24-21, with Team Obama scoring on a few Hail Marys and Team Romney winning by racking up 300 yards rushing and a few turnovers. Dovetail that to the 35-0 schelacing Obama took in debate #1 and we have continued ‘Mo on our side. Ryan did what he needed to do. Ohio(It is over sorry Rass and MSM), Va, NC, Florida, Colorado are gone for Team Obama, I expect NH, Wisconsin, Nevada and Michigan to be shored up in the next 2 weeks. I think election night we win Ct, Pa and a shocker or two like Washington or New Mexico. Romney needs to keep pressing, keep pushing Obama, keep raising and spending money, keep talking truth..God has wind in our sails.


28 posted on 10/12/2012 5:41:52 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: bert

Ahhh! That explains it.


29 posted on 10/12/2012 5:42:24 AM PDT by Cruising For Freedom (Don't be the proof that MSM PsyOps works.)
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To: barryobi

[ Ms. Raddatz acquitted herself admirably, keeping things moving, allowing the candidates to engage, probing. There was a real humanity to her presence ]

BS, Peggy. She was a biased hag who kept cutting off Ryan whenever he as making a good pont. She was clearly part of the Obama/Biden team.


30 posted on 10/12/2012 5:42:50 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: taterjay

At least Archie Bunker was right most of the time. This guy is like a kernel of popcorn. You never know when he’s going off or which way he’ll fly when he does.


31 posted on 10/12/2012 5:49:05 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: snarkytart

Sad, but true.


32 posted on 10/12/2012 5:51:29 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: snarkytart

“Finally Noonan says something for which I can agree. It’s been awhile.”

Yes, but that’s because Peggy is a fence-straddler who sticks her finger in the air before deciding which side she’ll land on. Right now she can feel which way the wind is blowing.

IMO she’s after a speech-writing job for the next POTUS.


33 posted on 10/12/2012 5:51:46 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia ("Together we will unite America and get this done" - Paul Ryan - August 11, 2012)
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To: YukonGreen

Joe Biden will be 70 on November 20th this year.


34 posted on 10/12/2012 5:55:25 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: barryobi
Any points he scored on policy, he more than gave away on style.

I don't think he scored any points on substance at all. All we heard were the usual Obamanoid talking points, trotted out one after the other and making no more sense in aggregate than they do individually -- "Tax cuts for the wealthy!" "Grow the middle class!" "We inherited the biggest mess in history!"

Exactly what were the points Biden scored on policy?

35 posted on 10/12/2012 5:57:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: snarkytart
Ms. Raddatz acquitted herself admirably, keeping things moving, allowing the candidates to engage, probing. There was a real humanity to her presence. We just saw Jim Lehrer beat up for what was also good work. May her excellence go unpunished.

BS. Raddatz was a terrible moderator--biased and intrusive.

36 posted on 10/12/2012 5:58:06 AM PDT by kabar
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To: barryobi

Proverbs 29:8-10

King James Version (KJV)

8 Scornful men bring a city into a snare: but wise men turn away wrath.

9 If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest.

10 The bloodthirsty hate the upright: but the just seek his soul.


37 posted on 10/12/2012 5:58:36 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Ann Archy

This sums up the debate last night:

“If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.” Proverbs 29:9


38 posted on 10/12/2012 6:00:13 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: barryobi
From the comments section of the article:

Both debates can be characterized easily in terms of apparel. The first debate revealed that Barak Obama, the emperor, had no clothes. The second debate revealed, Joe Biden, the vice emperor wore a clown suit.

39 posted on 10/12/2012 6:03:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Perfect— says it like it is


40 posted on 10/12/2012 6:18:00 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: barryobi
In terms of content—the seriousness and strength of one's positions and the ability to argue for them—the debate was probably a draw, with both candidates having strong moments. But in terms of style, Mr. Biden was so childishly manipulative that it will be surprising if independents and undecideds liked what they saw.

Most of those so-called undecideds in Frank Luntz's little focus group had nothing but good things to say about Biden's debate performance. I saw one of his reports on Fox & Friends this morning. He essentially took the word of these extremely indecisive people to declare Biden the winner.

41 posted on 10/12/2012 6:23:31 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: Haiku Guy

...reminded 1st wife of why she divorced her 1st husband.

Kaboom
Nice
Very nice

I once knew a woman whom I went to see when she was in hospital for depression. Her husband brought her a robe that he’d had embroidered for her, with the word ‘CRAZY.” They BOTH laughed.

Can you imagine what a monster the guy was? Joe Biden in one word.


42 posted on 10/12/2012 6:29:53 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: barryobi

Just a heartbeat away from the presidency...


43 posted on 10/12/2012 6:30:55 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: snarkytart
Finally Noonan says something for which I can agree. It’s been awhile.

Except she has it backwards. It's not "...confusing strength with aggression and command with sarcasm..."; rather, it is confusing sarcasm with strength and command. Biden was being sarcastic ("Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy.") but his supporters consider that commanding.

44 posted on 10/12/2012 6:31:12 AM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: barryobi

The most embarrassing moment for me during this debate was when Biden tried to pull a Lloyd Bentson on Paul Ryan. His comment made no sense and I loved the perplexed look on Ryan’s face.


45 posted on 10/12/2012 6:40:07 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: pburgh01
Bottom line is we were score this like a football game Ryan won 24-21, with Team Obama scoring on a few Hail Marys and Team Romney winning by racking up 300 yards rushing and a few turnovers.

You left out that Team Obama played dirty with lots of late hits and other cheap shots which should have been flagged for unsportsmanlike behavior (and would have if there had been a more competent, or less biased, referee). Therefore, while the final score was close the people watching it were left rooting against Team Obama. In football that might not matter much. After all, the Univ. of Miami won numerous championships despite being a program people loved to have. But boy does it ever matter in politics. That's why Team Obama lost regardless of the score.

46 posted on 10/12/2012 6:50:20 AM PDT by Humbug
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To: taterjay
I began thinking back to the Thomas confirmation hearings.

Thomas states in his book that Biden out and out lied to him in a private conversation during those hearings

And Alito's wife will never forgive Biden for what he did in Alito's hearings

Biden is not a clown he is an out and out no good SOB ( like all democrat senators)
47 posted on 10/12/2012 6:50:42 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: SMARTY
When my sister in law was first showing signs of early on-set Alzheimer's, she behaved like you said your neighbor did. She giggled and laughed at every thing that was said to her and didn't answer. That was almost 20 years ago and she is in Hospice care right now. How is your neighbor?
48 posted on 10/12/2012 6:50:59 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: barryobi

Biden’s laughter over the murder of four American patriots in Libya was despicable!


49 posted on 10/12/2012 6:55:01 AM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: barryobi

Ryan was wise last night...he might have been tempted to try to score the knockout punch, but he saw that Biden was destroying himself, so he just got out of the way and let him.


50 posted on 10/12/2012 6:55:08 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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